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Hi everyone, long time lurker of this forum but never joined up, here is my time!

Just a little story and opinion. I ordinarily live in Wales but have been working away in England for a couple of months. I will be glad when I am back so I don’t have to deal with this mandatory in shops etc shite.. Went into a local supermarket yesterday to get some things; upon walking through the entrance I knew straight away what was coming. Snotty woman on the door with no mask on -


“You need a mask on!!” Pointing towards the large notice at the door

”No, I don’t” I replied - then “what do you mean?” And I simply reply again “no, I don’t need to wear one”, and continued to walk on whilst getting funny looked by the security and some bemused shoppers 🙄

 

originally I was waiting for the whole “why not, why don’t you need one” etc to which I’d be happy to go into a tirade about how they have no right questioning my medical background or reasons for exemption but I think she was just bewildered - or maybe they know not to step into that territory! 
 

the fact is you shouldn’t need to justify why you aren’t wearing one to anybody as it opens up the door to all sorts of privacy invasion - and I must say I walked through the whole supermarket and I spotted maybe one person out of hundreds all masked up. It was depressing. Watching people scowling at me in horror. A population living in fear of others and those who non-comply; it was shocking to see.

 

People should just point blank refuse and not even go into why, as at the end of the day it’s not even anyone else’s business and giving them the satisfaction of knowing why leads on to worse things down the line. I’ve done this several times now; don’t see any police coming to fine you! It’s unenforceable, or should I say, only enforceable if you just blindly comply and allow them to walk over you! And I do hope soon this insanity/scam ends! (But with a population incapable of any form of reason or critical thinking, who knows what comes next!)

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done smallish tescos now was quiet 56 people in 4 not in masks (inc me) 50% unmasked ;0

 

I was at the till she said to the 2 workman can you step back 2 meters,. I was, errr no they are fine where they are no problem. :) 

 

We smiled an  un-maskless unsocialy smile no words were said.  Lady on till unmasked too. 20$ masked in a month I'd say.

 

GAME ON.

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Below is an excellent summary of the science surrounding face masks which shows that wearing one does not protect other people and only puts yourself at risk. The closing statement says it all:

 

The foregoing data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens. Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children, and their limitations as prophylaxis against pathogens should also be considered in medical settings.

 

I know now of two people personally who have nearly collapsed or fainted from wearing a face covering. One of them was my stepfather who has a heart condition and will now definitely not wear a face covering again (he was skeptical in the first place and his suspicions have now been absolutely confirmed).

 

https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect

 

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Masks are neither effective nor safe:
A summary of the science

Colleen Huber, NMD
July 6, 2020

At this writing, there is a recent surge in widespread use by the public of facemasks when in public places, including for extended periods of time, in the United States as well as in other countries.  The public has been instructed by media and their governments that one’s use of masks, even if not sick, may prevent others from being infected with SARS-CoV-2, the infectious agent of COVID-19.

A review of the peer-reviewed medical literature examines impacts on human health, both immunological, as well as physiological.  The purpose of this paper is to examine data regarding the effectiveness of facemasks, as well as safety data.  The reason that both are examined in one paper is that for the general public as a whole, as well as for every individual, a risk-benefit analysis is necessary to guide decisions on if and when to wear a mask.

Are masks effective at preventing transmission of respiratory pathogens?

 
In this meta-analysis, face masks were found to have no detectable effect against transmission of viral infections. (1)  It found: “Compared to no masks, there was no reduction of influenza-like illness cases or influenza for masks in the general population, nor in healthcare workers.”

This 2020 meta-analysis found that evidence from randomized controlled trials of face masks did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility. (2)

Another recent review found that masks had no effect specifically against Covid-19, although facemask use seemed linked to, in 3 of 31 studies, “very slightly reduced” odds of developing influenza-like illness. (3)

This 2019 study of 2862 participants showed that both N95 respirators and surgical masks “resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory confirmed influenza." (4)

This 2016 meta-analysis found that both randomized controlled trials and observational studies of N95 respirators and surgical masks used by healthcare workers did not show benefit against transmission of acute respiratory infections.  It was also found that acute respiratory infection transmission “may have occurred via contamination of provided respiratory protective equipment during storage and reuse of masks and respirators throughout the workday.” (5)

A 2011 meta-analysis of 17 studies regarding masks and effect on transmission of influenza found that “none of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” (6)  However, authors speculated that effectiveness of masks may be linked to early, consistent and correct usage.

Face mask use was likewise found to be not protective against the common cold, compared to controls without face masks among healthcare workers. (7)

Airflow around masks

Masks have been assumed to be effective in obstructing forward travel of viral particles.  Considering those positioned next to or behind a mask wearer, there have been farther transmission of virus-laden fluid particles from masked individuals than from unmasked individuals, by means of “several leakage jets, including intense backward and downwards jets that may present major hazards,” and a “potentially dangerous leakage jet of up to several meters.”  (8) All masks were thought to reduce forward airflow by 90% or more over wearing no mask.  However, Schlieren imaging showed that both surgical masks and cloth masks had farther brow jets (unfiltered upward airflow past eyebrows) than not wearing any mask at all, 182 mm and 203 mm respectively, vs none discernible with no mask.  Backward unfiltered airflow was found to be strong with all masks compared to not masking.

For both N95 and surgical masks, it was found that expelled particles from 0.03 to 1 micron were deflected around the edges of each mask, and that there was measurable penetration of particles through the filter of each mask. (9)

Penetration through masks

A study of 44 mask brands found mean 35.6% penetration (+ 34.7%).  Most medical masks had over 20% penetration, while “general masks and handkerchiefs had no protective function in terms of the aerosol filtration efficiency.”  The study found that “Medical masks, general masks, and handkerchiefs were found to provide little protection against respiratory aerosols.” (10)

It may be helpful to remember that an aerosol is a colloidal suspension of liquid or solid particles in a gas.  In respiration, the relevant aerosol is the suspension of bacterial or viral particles in inhaled or exhaled breath.

In another study, penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%. (11)

N95 respirators

Honeywell is a manufacturer of N95 respirators.  These are made with a 0.3 micron filter. (12)  N95 respirators are so named, because 95% of particles having a diameter of 0.3 microns are filtered by the mask forward of the wearer, by use of an electrostatic mechanism. Coronaviruses are approximately 0.125 microns in diameter.

This meta-analysis found that N95 respirators did not provide superior protection to facemasks against viral infections or influenza-like infections. (13)  This study did find superior protection by N95 respirators when they were fit-tested compared to surgical masks. (14)
 
This study found that 624 out of 714 people wearing N95 masks left visible gaps when putting on their own masks. (15)

Surgical masks

This study found that surgical masks offered no protection at all against influenza. (16) Another study found that surgical masks had about 85% penetration ratio of aerosolized inactivated influenza particles and about 90% of Staphylococcus aureus bacteria, although S aureus particles were about 6x the diameter of influenza particles. (17)

Use of masks in surgery were found to slightly increase incidence of infection over not masking in a study of 3,088 surgeries. (18)  The surgeons’ masks were found to give no protective effect to the patients.

Other studies found no difference in wound infection rates with and without surgical masks. (19) (20)

This study found that “there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.” (21)

This study found that medical masks have a wide range of filtration efficiency, with most showing a 30% to 50% efficiency. (22)

Specifically, are surgical masks effective in stopping human transmission of coronaviruses?  Both experimental and control groups, masked and unmasked respectively, were found to “not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols.” (23) In that study, they “did not confirm the infectivity of coronavirus” as found in exhaled breath.

A study of aerosol penetration showed that two of the five surgical masks studied had 51% to 89% penetration of polydisperse aerosols.  (24)

In another study, that observed subjects while coughing, “neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS-CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients.”  And more viral particles were found on the outside than on the inside of masks tested. (25)

Cloth masks

Cloth masks were found to have low efficiency for blocking particles of 0.3 microns and smaller.  Aerosol penetration through the various cloth masks examined in this study were between 74 and 90%.  Likewise, the filtration efficiency of fabric materials was 3% to 33% (26)

Healthcare workers wearing cloth masks were found to have 13 times the risk of influenza-like illness than those wearing medical masks. (27)

This 1920 analysis of cloth mask use during the 1918 pandemic examines the failure of masks to impede or stop flu transmission at that time, and concluded that the number of layers of fabric required to prevent pathogen penetration would have required a suffocating number of layers, and could not be used for that reason, as well as the problem of leakage vents around the edges of cloth masks. (28)

Masks against Covid-19

The New England Journal of Medicine editorial on the topic of mask use versus Covid-19 assesses the matter as follows:

“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection.  Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 20 minutes).  The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal.  In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.” (29)

 

Are masks safe?

 
During walking or other exercise
 
Surgical mask wearers had significantly increased dyspnea after a 6-minute walk than non-mask wearers. (30)

Researchers are concerned about possible burden of facemasks during physical activity on pulmonary, circulatory and immune systems, due to oxygen reduction and air trapping reducing substantial carbon dioxide exchange.  As a result of hypercapnia, there may be cardiac overload, renal overload, and a shift to metabolic acidosis. (31)

Risks of N95 respirators

Pregnant healthcare workers were found to have a loss in volume of oxygen consumption by 13.8% compared to controls when wearing N95 respirators.  17.7% less carbon dioxide was exhaled. (32)  Patients with end-stage renal disease were studied during use of N95 respirators.  Their partial pressure of oxygen (PaO2) decreased significantly compared to controls and increased respiratory adverse effects. (33)   19% of the patients developed various degrees of hypoxemia while wearing the masks.

Healthcare workers’ N95 respirators were measured by personal bioaerosol samplers to harbor influenza virus. (34)  And 25% of healthcare workers’ facepiece respirators were found to contain influenza in an emergency department during the 2015 flu season. (35)

Risks of surgical masks

Healthcare workers’ surgical masks also were measured by personal bioaerosol samplers to harbor for influenza virus. (36)

Various respiratory pathogens were found on the outer surface of used medical masks, which could result in self-contamination.  The risk was found to be higher with longer duration of mask use. (37)

Surgical masks were also found to be a repository of bacterial contamination.  The source of the bacteria was determined to be the body surface of the surgeons, rather than the operating room environment. (38)  Given that surgeons are gowned from head to foot for surgery, this finding should be especially concerning for laypeople who wear masks.  Without the protective garb of surgeons, laypeople generally have even more exposed body surface to serve as a source for bacteria to collect on their masks.

Risks of cloth masks

Healthcare workers wearing cloth masks had significantly higher rates of influenza-like illness after four weeks of continuous on-the-job use, when compared to controls. (39)

The increased rate of infection in mask-wearers may be due to a weakening of immune function during mask use.  Surgeons have been found to have lower oxygen saturation after surgeries even as short as 30 minutes. (40)  Low oxygen induces hypoxia-inducible factor 1 alpha (HIF-1). (41)  This in turn down-regulates CD4+ T-cells.  CD4+ T-cells, in turn, are necessary for viral immunity. (42)

 

Weighing risks versus benefits of mask use

 
In the summer of 2020 the United States is experiencing a surge of popular mask use, which is frequently promoted by the media, political leaders and celebrities.  Homemade and store-bought cloth masks and surgical masks or N95 masks are being used by the public especially when entering stores and other publicly accessible buildings.  Sometimes bandanas or scarves are used.  The use of face masks, whether cloth, surgical or N95, creates a poor obstacle to aerosolized pathogens as we can see from the meta-analyses and other studies in this paper, allowing both transmission of aerosolized pathogens to others in various directions, as well as self-contamination. 

It must also be considered that masks impede the necessary volume of air intake required for adequate oxygen exchange, which results in observed physiological effects that may be undesirable.  Even 6- minute walks, let alone more strenuous activity, resulted in dyspnea.  The volume of unobstructed oxygen in a typical breath is about 100 ml, used for normal physiological processes.  100 ml O2 greatly exceeds the volume of a pathogen required for transmission.

The foregoing data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens. Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children, and their limitations as prophylaxis against pathogens should also be considered in medical settings.

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This is from a local Facebook group I am a member of:

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The really weird thing is that when I am out and about at these local shops, I do not see or witness these ultra-paranoid idiots, I just see 'normal people' doing their shopping.

 

I will have to try and find out more about this lady who claims she 'washes her shopping' or leaves it '24hrs before unpacking' because if she is a real person she is definitely a 'lost cause'... 🐑

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19 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The really weird thing is that when I am out and about at these local shops, I do not see or witness these ultra-paranoid idiots, I just see 'normal people' doing their shopping.

 

I will have to try and find out more about this lady who claims she 'washes her shopping' or leaves it '24hrs before unpacking' because if she is a real person she is definitely a 'lost cause

yes....virtue signaling with some 77th spice 

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Down here in Wales it's not mandatory to wear face masks in shop but I have noticed a few more people than usual are muzzling up. It occurs to me that there are those who are such thick twats they think it's also mandatory here in Wales and that what BoJo says applies here, so they just blindly follow what that plummy prick says on the news. These people's frontal cortex is so offline I wonder if their brains are being supplied by Virgin Media.  

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14 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Below is an excellent summary of the science surrounding face masks which shows that wearing one does not protect other people and only puts yourself at risk. The closing statement says it all:

 

The foregoing data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens. Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children, and their limitations as prophylaxis against pathogens should also be considered in medical settings.

 

I know now of two people personally who have nearly collapsed or fainted from wearing a face covering. One of them was my stepfather who has a heart condition and will now definitely not wear a face covering again (he was skeptical in the first place and his suspicions have now been absolutely confirmed).

 

https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect

 

 

EXCELLENT  INFORMATION  REGARDING  FACE MASKS    -      IMPORTANT INFO FOR PROTECTING THE  PEOPLE YOU LOVE    -        FACE MASKS  DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD

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14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I will have to try and find out more about this lady who claims she 'washes her shopping' or leaves it '24hrs before unpacking' because if she is a real person she is definitely a 'lost cause'... 🐑

 

This lady is right, god bless her.

I do both with some of my shopping. If I buy a bar of soap I may leave it for weeks before washing it thoroughly, you can never be too careful.

I wash detergent, I wash bleach, I even wash washing-up liquid...

Hygiene is the key....I scrub my brain clean each morning with a good dollop of facebook, erasing any knowledge of previous life lessons.

 

This is a deadly virus we are dealing with. It can leap tall buildings,fly through the air, live on inanimate objects defy gravity and not be detected by the senses.

But worst of all it's so elusive that it's never been isolated or identified? How scary is that?

Luckily we have the good people of government and the "experts" to save us.....Stay Safe!

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15 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Below is an excellent summary of the science surrounding face masks which shows that wearing one does not protect other people and only puts yourself at risk. The closing statement says it all:

 

The foregoing data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens. Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children, and their limitations as prophylaxis against pathogens should also be considered in medical settings.

 

I know now of two people personally who have nearly collapsed or fainted from wearing a face covering. One of them was my stepfather who has a heart condition and will now definitely not wear a face covering again (he was skeptical in the first place and his suspicions have now been absolutely confirmed).

 

https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect

 


that’s a tremendous link with references . Very useful . 

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8 hours ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

This lady is right, god bless her.

I do both with some of my shopping. If I buy a bar of soap I may leave it for weeks before washing it thoroughly, you can never be too careful.

I wash detergent, I wash bleach, I even wash washing-up liquid...

Hygiene is the key....I scrub my brain clean each morning with a good dollop of facebook, erasing any knowledge of previous life lessons.

 

This is a deadly virus we are dealing with. It can leap tall buildings,fly through the air, live on inanimate objects defy gravity and not be detected by the senses.

But worst of all it's so elusive that it's never been isolated or identified? How scary is that?

Luckily we have the good people of government and the "experts" to save us.....Stay Safe!


Haha. Not only that but the virus seems to only attack people who use supermarkets, shops and public transport. People who use restaurants and pubs are safe though hence the reason masks aren’t mandatory in those place. Lol.

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46 minutes ago, Artmuzz said:


Haha. Not only that but the virus seems to only attack people who use supermarkets, shops and public transport. People who use restaurants and pubs are safe though hence the reason masks aren’t mandatory in those place. Lol.

Don't forget people who work in shops are only safe while they are at work. Once their shift has finished and they go into another shop to get some thing they cant get at work they then are supposed to put a mask on. This virus obviously knows the difference.

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Went to LIDL couple days ago. Got stared at quite a few times since no mask but the thing is while I hated the eyes on me before this crisis and there were many - Now I like it. I'd say slightly more than half were presenting their alleigance to moloch. And they didn't even have to XD

 

I'm gradually losing empathy with the people who think mask wearing is evidence of kindness and social responsibility. I kind of enjoy upsetting them.

 

It's quite depressing out there, so any fun that can be had I'll take

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On 7/28/2020 at 8:47 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

This is from a local Facebook group I am a member of:

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The really weird thing is that when I am out and about at these local shops, I do not see or witness these ultra-paranoid idiots, I just see 'normal people' doing their shopping.

 

I will have to try and find out more about this lady who claims she 'washes her shopping' or leaves it '24hrs before unpacking' because if she is a real person she is definitely a 'lost cause'... 🐑

 

Or is "she" actually working for 77th Brigade?

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16 hours ago, - TZC - said:

Went to LIDL couple days ago. Got stared at quite a few times since no mask but the thing is while I hated the eyes on me before this crisis and there were many - Now I like it. I'd say slightly more than half were presenting their alleigance to moloch. And they didn't even have to XD

 

I'm gradually losing empathy with the people who think mask wearing is evidence of kindness and social responsibility. I kind of enjoy upsetting them.

 

It's quite depressing out there, so any fun that can be had I'll take

 

this is exactly like gang stalking.

 

i like getting dirty looks, hand gestures, giggling, coughing and spitting on ground etc as they pass me because it means my light shines 😁

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On 7/28/2020 at 8:47 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

This is from a local Facebook group I am a member of:

image.png.d945834e5ae5c0facb5089a716164e66.png

 

The really weird thing is that when I am out and about at these local shops, I do not see or witness these ultra-paranoid idiots, I just see 'normal people' doing their shopping.

 

I will have to try and find out more about this lady who claims she 'washes her shopping' or leaves it '24hrs before unpacking' because if she is a real person she is definitely a 'lost cause'... 🐑

 

Are you sure this fakebook group you belong to isn't full of 77th? You could be the only sane/genuine person. lol

The above is truly sickly to read. I am left nauseated.

I can understand what they are saying if this a real pandemic. I would do the same but we know it's a scamdemic.

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16 hours ago, - TZC - said:

Went to LIDL couple days ago. Got stared at quite a few times since no mask but the thing is while I hated the eyes on me before this crisis and there were many - Now I like it. I'd say slightly more than half were presenting their alleigance to moloch. And they didn't even have to XD

 

I'm gradually losing empathy with the people who think mask wearing is evidence of kindness and social responsibility. I kind of enjoy upsetting them.

 

It's quite depressing out there, so any fun that can be had I'll take

 

Send a telepathic vibe TZC. Be proud not wearing one and send out "Look at me, why are you wearing one?" and smile. Be nice to them than upsetting them because you'll get more upsetting situation which won't help you. Enjoy your freedom. If they feel jealous, they can do the same. 🙂

 

39 minutes ago, Given To Fly said:

 

this is exactly like gang stalking.

 

i like getting dirty looks, hand gestures, giggling, coughing and spitting on ground etc as they pass me because it means my light shines 😁

 

It's time you ditched caring about children giggling at you. Spitting, burping as they walk past you is a sign that they are on lower vibration. Be glad that they are not your mates and laugh.

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11 minutes ago, chocomel said:

 

Send a telepathic vibe TZC. Be proud not wearing one and send out "Look at me, why are you wearing one?" and smile. Be nice to them than upsetting them because you'll get more upsetting situation which won't help you. Enjoy your freedom. If they feel jealous, they can do the same. 🙂

 

 

It's time you ditched caring about children giggling at you. Spitting, burping as they walk past you is a sign that they are on lower vibration. Be glad that they are not your mates and laugh.

 

these aren't children, these are adults and pensioners 😂 they are definitely low-vibration beings. children used to growl though as they played behind where i live and appear out of nowhere and do some street theatre.

 

i used to have 1 or 2 friends that gave me dirty looks and ignore me, but they snapped out of it for some reason a couple of years ago.

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3 minutes ago, Given To Fly said:

 

these aren't children, these are adults and pensioners 😂 they are definitely low-vibration beings. children used to growl though as they played behind where i live and appear out of nowhere and do some street theatre.

 

i used to have 1 or 2 friends that gave me dirty looks and ignore me, but they snapped out of it for some reason a couple of years ago.

 

I meant children in adult bodies. Sorry but I wouldn't call people who gives me dirty looks as 'friends'.

 

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4 hours ago, HAARPING_On said:

 

Or is "she" actually working for 77th Brigade?

 

1 hour ago, chocomel said:

 

Are you sure this fakebook group you belong to isn't full of 77th? You could be the only sane/genuine person. lol

The above is truly sickly to read. I am left nauseated.

I can understand what they are saying if this a real pandemic. I would do the same but we know it's a scamdemic.

 

It's a local area Facebook group, I've lived here long enough now to realise that there probably are just lots of brainwashed folk round here, who will not only believe all the crap coming out of the BBC or Birmingham Mail, but also some of the more ridiculous stuff that gets shared on social media.

 

Though I wouldn't rule out the possibility of one or two being 77th Brigaders, especially as one or two members don't even live in Birmingham, let alone this particular part.

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