Is it a double edged sword the way the Powers-That-Be are acting? Is Humanity right to forcefully enforce our own Karma?

[sickofallthebollocks]

Obviously, perish the thought, how utterly terrible it would be if the leaders of the 1% had a hit put on them.
Obviously I’m not recommending that anyone should go out and eradicate anyone who is connected in any way to the nwo plans, obviously they are well protected what with security and all the money they have.
But, surely, in this dimension/world of ‘free-will’ hasn’t it crossed some of the PTB's minds that the way they operate things is a double edged sword?

They are quick to erase anyone that is a threat to them?
Then, is it wrong – in the name of humanity, that the good of this world  (this world of free-will) -  that we - I mean Humans do something to physically erase them?
 

We (the people) Also have information on them, who they are, what they've done, we have the names, families, close ties, and close associates of those who cause most of the problems, why can't a group of action minded people who act in the interest of humanity do the same to them?
Obviously I am not advocating this in any way, or not speaking for anyone else here on the forum, it may not be the 'awake' thing to say, certainly not spiritual, good karma, and obviously low vibration, but what do you think?

The way they have been conducting themselves for the last few hundred years (and the rest) is leaving them open to eradication by forceful means?

To reiterate: I do not condone anyone taking this kind of action ..  - and I speak neither for or of the users/caretakers of this forum.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by sickofallthebollocks
spelling of nwo

[Tinfoil Hat]

Hypothetically speaking, we'd have to set up our own 'Go Fund Me' type affair, hypothetically. It would take a team, with a high degree of expertise.  Not that this thought had ever occurred to me, obviously. Hypothetically. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Tinfoil Hat

[AndyJ]

Personally, I feel like I can eradicate them simply by going about my life in the way I want and not giving them any power over me. If I perceive the elite as a group I don't fear, it kills their power right there because they feed and thrive on the fear of the collective. So I guess what I'm saying is physical eradication of them isn't necessary, a high proportion of people simply not fearing them could be enough. 

[Lizard Spirit]

These are concepts I struggle with almost every waking hour of the day.  

 

Most of the Cult do follow the Occult Teachings of Natural Law, even if they do it by inverse.  So they know to avoid bad karma, there has to be an offer and an acceptance. In theory, they could offer to kill us, and if we accept, no bad karma.   

 

So yes, for the last decades, even centuries, they have written books, released publications, and posted information on websites on what they are going to do.  They do accept our silences as acceptance. 

 

That leads me to the idea of Controlled Opposition. Some may even call people like Alex Jones controlled opposition.  I do not know for sure, or what his sources of information are sometimes, but like DI, he has often been right.  If he is controlled opposition, they know they have to tell us.  Most people in the USA and many in Western Society have heard of Alex Jones, and many were responsible for his own censorship and platforming.  DI, although well known, may be a lesser known figure, but has gone through similar persecution. 

 

I have researched some religious esoteric meanings on what the anti/ante christ will be, and one teaching is all was have to do is have a conversation or say the word No.  We may not have to have a war or come to physical violence with them.  

 

Having said that, humanity has been to quiet for to long and to compliant, and while as DI is saying, they have walked into the room and the door has clicked behind them, so to are we stuck on the spider web they have built for us.  

 

I know many of us have been 'awake" and researching for years, and even if we presented a mountain of evidence and proof, we were called conspiracy theorist in the insulting meaning of it, mentally ill, recommended to get our meds checked and so on.  It is frustrating that many of us who know are going to suffer the same consequences as those who refused to know and took the blue pill.  Forget about those who are asleep and never got the blue/red pill memo.  

 

What i grapple with is if it is to late.  Most of humanity is walking around in a somnambulistic state under some kind of hypnosis and a sleep walking state, they will also do what they are told, taking commands from the media, attending protests and riots before thinking it through on what is happening.  Humanity is in essence the Walking Dead. 

 

While humanity sleeps, they have created a Matrix around us of integrated machinery.  They have already picked what companies, NGOs, entities, and persons like Bill Gates they will support.  They own the computer systems, internet, and data centers.  We are pretty much at the point of getting Immunity Passports leading to  Real ID 2020 Global IDS, and coupled with 5G to 6G technology, we will not be able to work, buy, eat, or sell without it.  Again, I know the argument, whats wrong with it?  It might help with fraud and things like that, I say it is wrong because they are already weaponizing it.  Ask DI who recently lost his Paypal account. 

 

In essence, I take DI quote further, THEY have walked into the room and the door has clicked shut behind all of us.  

 

HOpefully I am just being to pessimistic, but I am hoping for the best, mentally ready for the worst.  

 

Either way, my spirit is here for the adventure, and observing things in the world as an objective observer and a seeker of knowledge.  I am a Lone Wolf of sorts.  I am continuously doing research, warning people where I can, and just going with the flow of the rest of it.  

 

To Get you started on the spider web idea, follow the World e CON omic F o rum and D a V0s:

 

yes its my blog, nothing special, just a place to collect information I have been researching:

World Economic Forum Globalist Spider Web

[chocomel]

3 hours ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

Obviously, perish the thought, how utterly terrible it would be if the leaders of the 1% had a hit put on them.
Obviously I’m not recommending that anyone should go out and eradicate anyone who is connected in any way to the nwo plans, obviously they are well protected what with security and all the money they have.
But, surely, in this dimension/world of ‘free-will’ hasn’t it crossed some of the PTB's minds that the way they operate things is a double edged sword?

They are quick to erase anyone that is a threat to them?
Then, is it wrong – in the name of humanity, that the good of this world  (this world of free-will) -  that we - I mean Humans do something to physically erase them?
 

We (the people) Also have information on them, who they are, what they've done, we have the names, families, close ties, and close associates of those who cause most of the problems, why can't a group of action minded people who act in the interest of humanity do the same to them?
Obviously I am not advocating this in any way, or not speaking for anyone else here on the forum, it may not be the 'awake' thing to say, certainly not spiritual, good karma, and obviously low vibration, but what do you think?

The way they have been conducting themselves for the last few hundred years (and the rest) is leaving them open to eradication by forceful means?

To reiterate: I do not condone anyone taking this kind of action ..  - and I speak neither for or of the users/caretakers of this forum.

 

 

You see you are seeing FEAR in manifestation. So much for 'powerful' satan loving opposition.

 

Quote

Those who are polarized are easily manipulated and controlled.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WgBXFMg7mjlC/

Are you a polarizer?

Edited June 10, 2020 by chocomel

[sickofallthebollocks]

21 minutes ago, chocomel said:

 

You see you are seeing FEAR in manifestation. So much for 'powerful' satan loving opposition.

 

Are you a polarizer?

Yes chocomel - seeing fear in manifestation - but not FEELING fear personally.
Don't understand:  So much for 'powerful' satan loving opposition.
Can you explain?

I also don't get the sentiment of your question Chocmel?  Am I a polarize(r) ? 

[TruthSeeker27]

You can't prevent evil by doing evil. You can't overthrow evil by doing evil. That just leads to inner corruption and loss of true self.

 

I don't have all the answers, no, but violence (especially in this case) is not the answer. The only defence we have is to align ourselves with the force of love and hang on to the fact that, when push comes to shove, it is still vastly superior to the force of evil. And the 1% know that. That's why they have to weaponise good people to further their own evil, demonic agenda.

 

I think we're heading towards some dark, horrible, scary times. The worst is still yet to come for sure. This is just the tip of the iceberg. But I don't believe the ending of this story is a bad one. Even if it's bad for us, and our children, and our childrens children, I KNOW that the ending isn't a bad one. You see, the force of Good/Love isn't sitting this one out guys, It's just playing it subtle for now. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[rideforever]

You are right to take action ... but mostly to fix yourself and stop blaming others.

[sickofallthebollocks]

1 hour ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

You can't prevent evil by doing evil. You can't overthrow evil by doing evil. That just leads to inner corruption and loss of true self.

 

I don't have all the answers, no, but violence (especially in this case) is not the answer. The only defence we have is to align ourselves with the force of love and hang on to the fact that, when push comes to shove, it is still vastly superior to the force of evil. And the 1% know that. That's why they have to weaponise good people to further their own evil, demonic agenda.

 

I think we're heading towards some dark, horrible, scary times. The worst is still yet to come for sure. This is just the tip of the iceberg. But I don't believe the ending of this story is a bad one. Even if it's bad for us, and our children, and our childrens children, I KNOW that the ending isn't a bad one. You see, the force of Good/Love isn't sitting this one out guys, It's just playing it subtle for now. 

So nicely put Truthseeker, that echoes my feelings too (not just saying that)  I know the initial post is very blunt and a bit naive in it's very 'being' - which is why I asked it,  a question from an awake person (moi) but from an asleep point of view (better the devil you know and all that)  - just wanted to throw it out there to gather other peoples takes on it?
I know it's a somewhat 'low vibration' question,
Evil begets evil, I just sometimes think of the saying 'fight fire with fire' and wanted to grasp a few opinions on it.

I hope I didn't offend anyone - chocomel? 

That isn't my intention, nor is it my intention to 'drop the forum in the proverbial shit for this thread' so, if you're reading this mods - please do delete the thread if it's not quite right?
 

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

You are right to take action ... but mostly to fix yourself and stop blaming others.

Indeed Rideforever,  be the best you, you can be.

(out of likes for now sorry)



 

Edited June 10, 2020 by sickofallthebollocks
add a little text to naive question bit

[chocomel]

1 hour ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

Yes chocomel - seeing fear in manifestation - but not FEELING fear personally.
Don't understand:  So much for 'powerful' satan loving opposition.
Can you explain?

I also don't get the sentiment of your question Chocmel?  Am I a polarize(r) ? 

 

My apologies for the confusion. I wasn't directing personally at you per se.

Glad you are not feeling fear. I was pointing my finger at the elites/network who is doing all they can to silence likes of David and truthers by deleting, gagging by removing freedom of speech.

 

The polarization comment applies to all of us. If we do too much to express that the elites are all evil.....we have fallen.

The key is like walking on a tight rope...balance so that you don't get controlled. They are using 'divide n rule' strategy and we are falling for it easily because of polarization. But they are falling for it as well which is the funny side to it. Hence my comment on seemingly 'powerful' satanic people.

It's all in the video I posted

[sickofallthebollocks]

Ahhhhh thanks Chocomel,   I didn't want to sound arsey with you I just didn't understand - but do now.  I know you're a bloody-good-sort so thought I'd just run that one by you,  cheers buddy  Nice one.

Peace.



 

Edited June 10, 2020 by sickofallthebollocks
spelt chocomels name wrong

[chocomel]

1 hour ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

You can't prevent evil by doing evil. You can't overthrow evil by doing evil. That just leads to inner corruption and loss of true self.

 

I don't have all the answers, no, but violence (especially in this case) is not the answer. The only defence we have is to align ourselves with the force of love and hang on to the fact that, when push comes to shove, it is still vastly superior to the force of evil. And the 1% know that. That's why they have to weaponise good people to further their own evil, demonic agenda.

 

I think we're heading towards some dark, horrible, scary times. The worst is still yet to come for sure. This is just the tip of the iceberg. But I don't believe the ending of this story is a bad one. Even if it's bad for us, and our children, and our childrens children, I KNOW that the ending isn't a bad one. You see, the force of Good/Love isn't sitting this one out guys, It's just playing it subtle for now. 

 

If you let evil continue their evil, you are actually being evil to yourself unless you are a masochistic or something....

Funny thing is, evil don't like evil done to them. You try and soon find out.

Otherwise, they don't know when to stop unless stopped.

This world is one of 'action' if you are not actively doing it and merely tossing an idea then you will clutch on some meaningless but 'right or morally' sounding theory which doesn't work.

But if you are actually standing on a clif edge, dead or alive situation, you will need to act and by the sound of it you haven't been in that situation TS27.

 

If you look at dark, scary times, it will be.

I see much victory and justice.

[motleyhoo]

Imo, there comes a time to stand your ground in the face of a direct attack, and no amount of just refusing and living your life a certain way is going to work, because they're not going to let it work.  I'm 60 years old, I've left many of the best years of my life behind me, and since I'm going to have come back here again and do all of this over again anyway, if I could put a bullet in their heads right now, I would absolutely take the shot.  I really do not give a shit.  Like they say Georgia, "Those people need killin'".

 

[chocomel]

19 minutes ago, motleyhoo said:

Imo, there comes a time to stand your ground in the face of a direct attack, and no amount of just refusing and living your life a certain way is going to work, because they're not going to let it work.  I'm 60 years old, I've left many of the best years of my life behind me, and since I'm going to have come back here again and do all of this over again anyway, if I could put a bullet in their heads right now, I would absolutely take the shot.  I really do not give a shit.  Like they say Georgia, "Those people need killin'".

 

 

Yes, just because one is getting older and can exit doesn't guarantee one don't come back so no matter what age we are we still need to push our dreams.

 

Obviously, shooting a person is not gonna change anything other than the shooter ending up in a jail...and we need to take the most effective way to collapse the house of cards.

I don't think no one bullet will do. It's a case of chipping here and collapsing one corner and do the same elsewhere and so one.

[TruthSeeker27]

44 minutes ago, chocomel said:

 

If you let evil continue their evil, you are actually being evil to yourself unless you are a masochistic or something....

Funny thing is, evil don't like evil done to them. You try and soon find out.

Otherwise, they don't know when to stop unless stopped.

This world is one of 'action' if you are not actively doing it and merely tossing an idea then you will clutch on some meaningless but 'right or morally' sounding theory which doesn't work.

But if you are actually standing on a clif edge, dead or alive situation, you will need to act and by the sound of it you haven't been in that situation TS27.

 

If you look at dark, scary times, it will be.

I see much victory and justice.

 

I know that in some cases we must fight back. But that isn't the same as doing evil. I don't think acting in self defence and killing someone to defend your family, for instance, is evil. Not at all. That's why some wars are just in my mind and some are not. But that isn't the same as allowing yourself to become filled with hatred and trying to strike out in pure violence (killing those you oppose and those who oppose you, or the killing of any inoccent no matter the circumstances (even if killing said individual would bring about great change, as that individual is being weaponsied by the cult), etc).

 

All it takes for the triumph of evil is for a good man to do nothing. But what is nothing? Just that. Nothing. But rather than strike out in violence, I believe in fighting back with words, reason and using and utilising the force of love to my advantage. That's why my whole gameplan relies on waking other people up to what's happening.

 

The ironic thing is, we are heading close towards a future where we (free thinking individuals) will become oppressed by those who supposedly stand against such oppression. We will be the minority big time, and we will be pushed to the brink. The question then becomes, how do you fight back? For those who are fans of the X-Men series (like I am), it's a case of choosing between Xavier's way of fighting back (similar to Martin Luther King Jr) or Magneto's (Malcolm X). I personally prefer the Xavier/MLK/Ghandi/Jesus Christ kind of fighting back. Completely peaceful.

 

The dark forces that truly, truly run this world (yes, they even control the 1% in my opinion) love nothing more than transforming good people into evil people. And very often, all it takes is a nudge before you find yourself consumed by evil, and that's why I believe that in almost all cases, violence is never the answer.

Edited June 10, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[chocomel]

2 hours ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I know that in some cases we must fight back. But that isn't the same as doing evil. I don't think acting in self defence and killing someone to defend your family, for instance, is evil. Not at all. That's why some wars are just in my mind and some are not. But that isn't the same as allowing yourself to become filled with hatred and trying to strike out in pure violence (killing those you oppose and those who oppose you, or the killing of any inoccent no matter the circumstances (even if killing said individual would bring about great change, as that individual is being weaponsied by the cult), etc).

 

I know what you are saying. But what if you stood on the other side and listened. Likes of Bill Gates. I bet he does believe that he is doing it for the humanity to depopulate while we are shouting at him he is the evil one.

This is what I've been saying in the Lucifer thread... there is only a half-truth. In a way, both side of the truth is right in their own minds.

This is Infinity war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRaacwWOuQ0

 

Quote

 

All it takes for the triumph of evil is for a good man to do nothing. But what is nothing? Just that. Nothing. But rather than strike out in violence, I believe in fighting back with words, reason and using and utilising the force of love to my advantage. That's why my whole gameplan relies on waking other people up to what's happening.

 

'Doing nothing' is also a choice. If you only trying to change the picture on the screen, the film is already decided in the dark room. So no matter how much you shout at the screen, it will pan out as it has already been decided. If you want to change the reel, you need to play at the elites level. You need to get in the dark room and change the movie.

I believe this is for the soul growth but obviously such idea is ridiculous to people who are not spiritual like most of the masses.

It's how you ride the storm, like a surfer and it is not about the end goal because this light vs dark will continue as it is the nature of 3D.

If any of you are wishing this Utopia where everything will be all luvy davy.... I think you are deluding yourself. It's almost as good as saying, let's change the colour of the seas to pink.

 

Quote

 

The ironic thing is, we are heading close towards a future where we (free thinking individuals) will become oppressed by those who supposedly stand against such oppression. We will be the minority big time, and we will be pushed to the brink. The question then becomes, how do you fight back? For those who are fans of the X-Men series (like I am), it's a case of choosing between Xavier's way of fighting back (similar to Martin Luther King Jr) or Magneto's (Malcolm X). I personally prefer the Xavier/MLK/Ghandi/Jesus Christ kind of fighting back. Completely peaceful.

 

The dark forces that truly, truly run this world (yes, they even control the 1% in my opinion) love nothing more than transforming good people into evil people. And very often, all it takes is a nudge before you find yourself consumed by evil, and that's why I believe that in almost all cases, violence is never the answer.

 

May be this so called dark forces doesn't really care turning good people into evil people. It just does what it wants to do and turning good people into evil is merely an after effect.

If you study higher forces, you will realise that human morality is something we considered moral but it changes in time. Like gay people did illegal activity back in the 60s but now they can marry. Who knows, paedophilia might become legit in the future. Just merely demonstrating the changeability of so called moral.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by chocomel

[motleyhoo]

1 hour ago, chocomel said:

 

Yes, just because one is getting older and can exit doesn't guarantee one don't come back so no matter what age we are we still need to push our dreams.

 

Obviously, shooting a person is not gonna change anything other than the shooter ending up in a jail...and we need to take the most effective way to collapse the house of cards.

I don't think no one bullet will do. It's a case of chipping here and collapsing one corner and do the same elsewhere and so one.

 

I live in North Carolina.  A perp does not even have to come into our home anymore.  The new law states that anyone attempting to attack us within our home or on our doorstep, we can shoot, and good riddance to another piece of trash.

 

[chocomel]

22 minutes ago, motleyhoo said:

 

I live in North Carolina.  A perp does not even have to come into our home anymore.  The new law states that anyone attempting to attack us within our home or on our doorstep, we can shoot, and good riddance to another piece of trash.

 

 

I guess there is something good living in the US then. I'm glad that you have such option to make you feel secure.

As you know, we are not allowed to have guns over here and I'm not involved with gangs so there is one less thing I need to worry about.

[TruthSeeker27]

30 minutes ago, chocomel said:

 

I know what you are saying. But what if you stood on the other side and listened. Likes of Bill Gates. I bet he does believe that he is doing it for the humanity to depopulate while we are shouting at him he is the evil one.

This is what I've been saying in the Lucifer thread... there is only a half-truth. In a way, both side of the truth is right in their own minds.

This is Infinity war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRaacwWOuQ0

 

 

'Doing nothing' is also a choice. If you only trying to change the picture on the screen, the film is already decided in the dark room. So no matter how much you shout at the screen, it will pan out as it has already been decided. If you want to change the reel, you need to play at the elites level. You need to get in the dark room and change the movie.

I believe this is for the soul growth but obviously such idea is ridiculous to people who are not spiritual like most of the masses.

It's how you ride the storm, like a surfer and it is not about the end goal because this light vs dark will continue as it is the nature of 3D.

If any of you are wishing this Utopia where everything will be all luvy davy.... I think you are deluding yourself. It's almost as good as saying, let's change the colour of the seas to pink.

 

 

May be this so called dark forces doesn't really care turning good people into evil people. It just does what it wants to do and turning good people into evil is merely an after effect.

If you study higher forces, you will realise that human morality is something we considered moral but it changes in time. Like gay people did illegal activity back in the 60s but now they can marry. Who knows, paedophilia might become legit in the future. Just merely demonstrating the changeability of so called moral.

 

 

My first awakening is what I refer to as my "soul" awakening. My awakening in the mind only came about recently. But my awakening of the soul was perhaps even more important. My epiphany came when I was at my lowest point, and I believe that I was saved for a reason. I think that reason is largely because of the good I can do now.

 

It may seem as though fighting back with fire (fire with fire, etc) is the way, but I still believe that reason is the better choice. You get more attention fighting with fire, but you can't truly awaken others that way. I have not been doing "nothing" since this whole thing started. I have been waking others up slowly but surely. I know you only have my word for it, but I know the truth, and many people (mostly on Reddit) are listening to what I have to say and are at least questioning things now.

 

Good and evil have been battling for eons, since time began. That won't change. But it is my fundamental belief that the power of evil is inferior to the power of love (hence why evil usually corrupts). Evil itself can't create anything, it can only destory, corrupt and manipulate. That's all it can literally do. I don't believe that turning good people into evil people is an after effect at all. I think that's ulimatley the whole game plan, as I believe the battle for human souls is all that matters to evil incarnate. That's what it's all about. The enslaving of Mankind would just be a way of pushing more people towards evil.

 

In my heart, I know the difference between right and wrong, good and bad and love and evil. To be gay is not a choice, and it is not evil. Not at all in my opinion. I don't think the Higher Power I believe in cares about that, as it is merely just an extension of love. Pedophilia is among the most evil crimes in existence, and has no loving element at all. It's just disgusting and wrong. To compare the two is not fair at all. 

 

So no, I know I don't have all the answers, but in terms of right and wrong, good and bad and love and evil, I believe I do have all the answers, for I believe I was gifted them all those years ago when I reached my lowest point. That was the moment when I realised I was living life wrong in living only for myself. And I know to fight with love and words is ultimatley always the answer, and the thing that prevents evil from ever being able to truly corrupt us.

Edited June 10, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[chocomel]

2 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

My first awakening is what I refer to as my "soul" awakening. My awakening in the mind only came about recently. But my awakening of the soul was perhaps even more important. My epiphany came when I was at my lowest point, and I believe that I was saved for a reason. I think that reason is largely because of the good I can do now.

 

It may seem as though fighting back with fire (fire with fire, etc) is the way, but I still believe that reason is the better choice. You get more attention fighting with fire, but you can't truly awaken others that way. I have not been doing "nothing" since this whole thing started. I have been waking others up slowly but surely. I know you only have my word for it, but I know the truth, and many people (mostly on Reddit) are listening to what I have to say and are at least questioning things now.

 

As I said, you can't know THE truth, only a half truth while in duality. Your truth is filtred by what you know and your pov.

One day.....you may be like Jesus where even the evil ones will fall to its knees begging for forgiveness at a mere sight of you but until then, you need to do what you can to save yourself.

 

2 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

Good and evil have been battling for eons, since time began. That won't change. But it is my fundamental belief that the power of evil is inferior to the power of love (hence why evil usually corrupts). Evil itself can't create anything, it can only destory, corrupt and manipulate. That's all it can literally do. I don't believe that turning good people into evil people is an after effect at all. I think that's ulimatley the whole game plan, as I believe the battle for human souls is all that matters to evil incarnate. That's what it's all about. 

 

Destruction can be a good thing. If there is no death, there will be no renewal in anything. Can you imagine, you are stuck at today's standard for the rest of your life? Absolutely no progress?

We need destruction, an end to create a new cycle. We manipulate all the time. Do you take care of your hygine or not go out in your pj? That is manipulation at a basic level so I would not call that evil.

 

2 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

In my heart, I know the difference between right and wrong, good and bad and love and evil. To be gay is not a choice, and it is not evil. Not at all in my opinion. I don't think the Higher Power I believe in cares about that, as it is merely just an extension of love. Pedophilia is among the most evil crimes in existence, and has no loving element at all. It's just disgusting and wrong. To compare the two is not fair at all. 

 

So no, I know I don't have all the answers, but in terms of right and wrong, good and bad and love and evil, I believe I do have all the answers, for I believe I was gifted them all those years ago when I reached my lowest point. That was the moment when I realised I was living life wrong in living only for myself. And I know to fight with love and words is ultimatley always the answer, and the thing that prevents evil from ever being able to truly corrupt us.

 

Yes, I added a link to that video 'God does not care'

I used to take everything at face value but I am at a point where I look at it from higher perspective and what people call good vs evil is not so black and white.

It doesn't mean I'll go out start shooting random people, however.

You said your awakening happened at the lowest point. That's what usually happens time and time again.

Be it bankrupcy, major illness etc.... So would you say whatever was happening to you at the time a good thing in the long term? Or would you rather have stayed ignorant?

I am not negating that you didn't go through a painful experience. What we call negative experience is the key to our spiritual growth.

 

 

[TruthSeeker27]

36 minutes ago, chocomel said:

 

As I said, you can't know THE truth, only a half truth while in duality. Your truth is filtred by what you know and your pov.

One day.....you may be like Jesus where even the evil ones will fall to its knees begging for forgiveness at a mere sight of you but until then, you need to do what you can to save yourself.

 

 

Destruction can be a good thing. If there is no death, there will be no renewal in anything. Can you imagine, you are stuck at today's standard for the rest of your life? Absolutely no progress?

We need destruction, an end to create a new cycle. We manipulate all the time. Do you take care of your hygine or not go out in your pj? That is manipulation at a basic level so I would not call that evil.

 

 

Yes, I added a link to that video 'God does not care'

I used to take everything at face value but I am at a point where I look at it from higher perspective and what people call good vs evil is not so black and white.

It doesn't mean I'll go out start shooting random people, however.

You said your awakening happened at the lowest point. That's what usually happens time and time again.

Be it bankrupcy, major illness etc.... So would you say whatever was happening to you at the time a good thing in the long term? Or would you rather have stayed ignorant?

I am not negating that you didn't go through a painful experience. What we call negative experience is the key to our spiritual growth.

 

 

 

I can't know the TRUTH, no. I only know part of it. I believe all of existence is a journey. I agree with Mr. Icke on this particularly. I believe that who I am now is merely just an experience. Just an experience in a much larger journey. However, I do believe that I am more plugged into the true nature of this world than most. I think the same thing can be said for almost everyone on this forum. I believe that, to a certain degree, we're all plugged into the truth on here (at least in regards to the true nature of this world).

 

I can't imagine being stuck at today's standards (as you put it) for the rest of my life, no. I don't believe that anyone is. Progress always occurs. The trouble is, some people progress in the wrong direction. Either through bitterness or simple wickedness, some people do go backwards and towards the dark powers.

 

I watched some of the video you linked to, and I did get some of it. I understand the connection the man in the video is making (Thanos, overpopulation, etc), however I do think you're wrong in thinking that Bill Gates believes that he's in the right. I know Bill is just a front of this cabal, but I believe he's a die hard supporter of it. I don't see any humanity whatsoever in his eyes... And on the question of God, I do believe He cares. I believe that He is the Light Incarnate. Of course people can disagree on this, but I personally won't be swayed into thinking otherwise. Does that suggest weakness on my part? A lack of being able to challange myself and my views? Of course not, no. That sort of talk is just a manipulation tactic in my view. I often challange myself, but in this regard I don't see my opinion ever changing, because to me it is a universal truth.

 

It is often the way that change comes about at our lowest points. Some believe that's because the human mind will look for something, anything to keep existing, to make the pain bareable. So of course people will question whether or not the revelation/epiphany is true... But these are often dark forces. Knowingly or unknowingly, it makes no difference. Those very same people will often suggest that those who believe in "conspiracy theories" are often just using the conspiracy to reject the true nature of this world, that there is no rhyme or reason to anything. They will say that we believe that COVID-19 is a huge con just as a way of comforting ourselves... But again, that's what they want us to believe, and the majority. And why? Because it makes people less likely to listen to us. In truth, I know that COVID-19 is one huge scam. And I know the difference between seeking comfort in the arms of a conspiracy and in seeking the truth. In this case, it is the absolute truth. COVID-19 is a sham. I know that. Just as I know that I was saved for a reason, and that a Higher, purely benevolent Power out there is watching over all of us, whether we know it or not.

 

EDIT: And for the record...no. I would rather know the true nature of the world (however dark it may be) than to remain ignorant.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[chocomel]

41 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I can't know the TRUTH, no. I only know part of it. I believe all of existence is a journey. I agree with Mr. Icke on this particularly. I believe that who I am now is merely just an experience. Just an experience in a much larger journey. However, I do believe that I am more plugged into the true nature of this world than most. I think the same thing can be said for almost everyone on this forum. I believe that, to a certain degree, we're all plugged into the truth on here (at least in regards to the true nature of this world).

 

I can't imagine being stuck at today's standards (as you put it) for the rest of my life, no. I don't believe that anyone is. Progress always occurs. The trouble is, some people progress in the wrong direction. Either through bitterness or simple wickedness, some people do go backwards and towards the dark powers.

 

There you go, that word again. We don't know but some people have to go through the experience of addiction, for example, and that's an essential journey for them so i wouldn't call that the wrong direction. If we reject what is happening to us simply it doesn't sound good, you reject the gifts we have been given though quite often they are gifts in disguise.

 

41 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I watched some of the video you linked to, and I did get some of it. I understand the connection the man in the video is making (Thanos, overpopulation, etc), however I do think you're wrong in thinking that Bill Gates believes that he's in the right. I know Bill is just a front of this cabal, but I believe he's a die hard supporter of it. I don't see any humanity whatsoever in his eyes... And on the question of God, I do believe He cares. I believe that He is the Light Incarnate. Of course people can disagree on this, but I personally won't be swayed into thinking otherwise. Does that suggest weakness on my part? A lack of being able to challange myself and my views? Of course not, no. That sort of talk is just a manipulation tactic in my view. I often challange myself, but in this regard I don't see my opinion ever changing, because to me it is a universal truth.

 

WE, DIF members care for the humanity, our family, children's healthy wholesome future etc....

Bill cares for the humanity in his own way. We are working towards the same goal but in a different way of going about it. Tell that to the members....

I'd say he is in the dark side working for the God, for the growth of humanity.

 

41 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

It is often the way that change comes about at our lowest points. Some believe that's because the human mind will look for something, anything to keep existing, to make the pain bareable. So of course people will question whether or not the revelation/epiphany is true... But these are often dark forces. Knowingly or unknowingly, it makes no difference. Those very same people will often suggest that those who believe in "conspiracy theories" are often just using the conspiracy to reject the true nature of this world, that there is no rhyme or reason to anything. They will say that we believe that COVID-19 is a huge con just as a way of comforting ourselves... But again, that's what they want us to believe, and the majority. And why? Because it makes people less likely to listen to us. In truth, I know that COVID-19 is one huge scam. And I know the difference between seeking comfort in the arms of a conspiracy and in seeking the truth. In this case, it is the absolute truth. COVID-19 is a sham. I know that. Just as I know that I was saved for a reason, and that a Higher, purely benevolent Power out there is watching over all of us, whether we know it or not.

 

EDIT: And for the record...no. I would rather know the true nature of the world (however dark it may be) than to remain ignorant.

 

 

So bottomline is, it is not about winning but how we surfe through the challenges....as in the Lucifer video.

[TruthSeeker27]

41 minutes ago, chocomel said:

 

There you go, that word again. We don't know but some people have to go through the experience of addiction, for example, and that's an essential journey for them so i wouldn't call that the wrong direction. If we reject what is happening to us simply it doesn't sound good, you reject the gifts we have been given though quite often they are gifts in disguise.

 

 

WE, DIF members care for the humanity, our family, children's healthy wholesome future etc....

Bill cares for the humanity in his own way. We are working towards the same goal but in a different way of going about it. Tell that to the members....

I'd say he is in the dark side working for the God, for the growth of humanity.

 

 

So bottomline is, it is not about winning but how we surfe through the challenges....as in the Lucifer video.

 

Which word? Wrong or direction? I have suffered through addiction myself (to gambling). And yes it was an essential part of my journey. When I refer to the "wrong direction", I refer to evil. Instead of becoming better as time progresses, some people become worse. They become more cynical, more bitter, etc. They move further away from the Light.

 

I'm sorry, but in my opinon Bill Gates does not care for humanity in his own way or otherwise. Perhaps he's been conned into thinking what he's doing is right for the sake of this planet, but I don't believe he cares for humanity at all. And no, he's certainly not working for God, he's working for the Devil if anything. Perhaps unknowingly, but that's another debate altogether.

 

I haven't seen the Lucifer video. The video you linked to was about Thanos and Infinity War. Lucifer no longer exists, though. Lucifer hasn't existed for eons now. He is now Satan. Of course, this is merely my spiritual beliefs.