Struggle Sterility Meaning

[rideforever]

Without struggle there is no opportunity to feel meaning in your life.  From where would meaning come if you do nothing.  And that struggle, that daily confrontation and resolution, allows you to exercise your faculties and grow ... and it has to be in the body not just in the head.

 

This society as it is now, with it technology has removed so many physical and even emotional work from people that they have little way to grow.  They resort to trying to grow in their mind by overthinking or through psychological problems.  The LGBT movement is probably people trying to generate conflict so that they can feel some sort of meaning and save them from the death of the plastic soulless desert of society.  A world without conflict, without opinions, without culture, without differences.  A desert of insincerity and life hatred.

 

Those who wish to go to the Utopia where everyone is the same make a grave mistake because you cannot feel alive without being alive, and being alive means confrontation struggle and difference and sorting out those differences.  Mountains that urge you to climb.  Chaos that causes you to order them.

Peace then is a fucking lie.

 

But yes when the disorder and bad faith and hatred of everything is so great, then it is hard to see the real challanges and the real struggles, the good struggles ... it becomes very confusing.

 

How often can you slagg off the leaders institutions .... you slay their spirit.  Those poor fools who are yes trying to run the world, like any teacher with a hateful classroom, they do in the end lose faith in the whole thing and give you what you want.
In other words it is the job of all sailors to support their captain, and if you simply sit below deck calling for mutiny you damage the ship.  There is a time to leave the ship to be sure, but also a time to support it.

 

It is easy to continuously call for mutiny, you get attention and your attention is leached off of a ship that you do not contribute to.  It is parasitical in the end.

 

[rideforever]

My view is that the work and activities available to human beings today no longer provide them with the possibility to grow and so human beings are degenerating.  This is a grave degeneration, that covers most human beings on the planet.

The work and activities available is not planned by they arise from various eras of technology and causes and all sorts of things.  It is also not very easy to change which work is available as work is not just for fun but must be part of an economy.

As humans degenerate they are in increasing conflict of all sorts and of internal disorder.

Utopian ideals although they are very attractive as they seem to fix everything without effort ... are what society often imagines it is trying to do.... to create world peace and sameness to avoid conflict.  But such ideas are ridiculous because it is conflict and struggle itself that causes meaning and personal development.  Otherwise you will be reduced to a vegetable.
The trend of degeneration tends to cascade as new generations of children are brought up without no reference to higher goals, expecting an easy life.

In this world although some challenges seem to exist, much of the apparent world - the world we are educated about - is really a museum which is stage managed, so although you might struggle at work ... or in relationships ... underneath something is fully managed by a plastic sterile society, and so you never are really nourished by your efforts.  You are not living in the real world, but in the prison you have been educated within.
The castle that we live in supports many generations of degenerated people, and masks the descent until at some point ... pop, or without consciously recognizing it ... the country's ownership is owned by outsiders.

Suffice it to say that all world leaders to not talk of the value of conflict and struggle, mostly they are trying to lay another blanket over people's faces to smother them some more .... peace through death.

We are all part of a large system.

 

[rideforever]

In China there is a saying "conceal your strength, and bide your time", I was thinking about this today.  Conceal not in the sense of deceiving anyone, but it's not for anyone to know that you are gathering strength.
The way people are, in such incredible disorder on this planet, what good will come of it?  Who is going to save mankind?
I think the only option is to leave through the spiritual exits through self-realisation.
Much as you might love this planet or people and so on .... you might wish things to work out, but nothing is going to work out here.  It's not just human beings that are in disorder.

On the roofs here in Brighton there is one pair of seagulls that dominates the roofs here.  They have been here at least 15 years, and every year they have baby seagulls that now occupy most of the street.  They are all related.  One big seagull mafia.  And anyone else who tries to arrive gets a war, I have seen seagulls draw blood against each other and fight in 3 hour battles together, vicious battles.  Not just the birds, but also I saw squirrels vs magpies this week, another violent clash.
So ... that seems to be this planet as a whole.  "Mankind" reflects it.  There is no saving anyone.

There is only moving far way to a much higher place.

 

[rideforever]

 

[rideforever]

More personal witterings :

 

It seems to me that human beings when they die have not actually learned very much.  And that means that the only option open to them if they were to live again is to come back to another planet of violence.  How could a violent man be born in a higher world of angels ... I don't think it works that way, you'd just be put in jail.

And therefore the only option is to achieve radical and I mean radical inner change, otherwise we will 'at best' come back right here.

I suppose another option could conceivably be you are born on a planet of primitive savages ... that's also possible.

Anyway the point is, I see so many people talk ... it's all empty talk isn't it; I get the sense that nobody is changing.

 

[scowie]

"Without struggle there is no opportunity to feel meaning in your life.  From where would meaning come if you do nothing."

 

Struggle is the root cause of most crime and most war throughout history, as well as mental health problems and drug taking.  To feel meaning in their lives people just need a passion and it doesn't have to be for righting wrongs.  The world needs less struggle so that people can have passions that don't provoke hostility.  The protests and rioting we are seeing now are a struggle against perceived wrongs.  The solution is to fix the wrongs, not to distract people from the wrongs by giving them some mundane job to do and discourage them from thinking...

 

"This society as it is now, with it technology has removed so many physical and even emotional work from people that they have little way to grow"

 

How exactly is someone, say a truck driver, being prevented from "growing" if their job is removed by AI taking over their role?  Surely, if they are forced to do something else, maybe learn a skill, that would constitute growth.  No one is "growing" by doing some mundane 9-5 job for years on end.

 

"Those who wish to go to the Utopia where everyone is the same"

 

No one wants everyone to be the same, except maybe those white supremacists who would like to see all other races and cultures wiped out.  Good people just want to eliminate suffering.

 

"being alive means confrontation struggle and difference and sorting out those differences.  Mountains that urge you to climb."

 

Being alive means being free to do whatever you are passionate about and not having to worry about where your next meal is coming from.  There will always be mountains to climb, actual literal mountains that is!  If only more people were free to climb actual mountains instead of figurative ones!

 

"Chaos that causes you to order them"

 

...reminds me of Zorg from 'The Fifth Element'

 

"Peace then is a fucking lie."

 

That we have ever had peace, would be a lie.  That peace is impossible would be a lie.  The idea that peace is undesirable is either short-sighted or evil.

 

"How often can you slagg off the leaders institutions .... you slay their spirit.  Those poor fools who are yes trying to run the world, like any teacher with a hateful classroom, they do in the end lose faith in the whole thing and give you what you want.
In other words it is the job of all sailors to support their captain, and if you simply sit below deck calling for mutiny you damage the ship.  There is a time to leave the ship to be sure, but also a time to support it."

 

The problem is that those who are trying to run the world are psychopaths who want to cut the population of the world down to 100 million, and they have the power to do it (electrogravitics).  They would like to do it covertly though (through sterilisation + a bit of microwave-induced disease), if only to maintain the sanity of the remaining 100 million who will mostly not be psychopaths.  They actually want to create a Utopia (see the Georgia Guidestones) where everyone is the same, where everyone is "Arian" that is — it is the Fourth Reich I am talking about.  To support these people is to support your executioner.

[rideforever]

2 hours ago, scowie said:

"Without struggle there is no opportunity to feel meaning in your life.  From where would meaning come if you do nothing."

 

Struggle is the root cause of most crime and most war throughout history, as well as mental health problems and drug taking.  To feel meaning in their lives people just need a passion and it doesn't have to be for righting wrongs.  The world needs less struggle so that people can have passions that don't provoke hostility.  The protests and rioting we are seeing now are a struggle against perceived wrongs.  The solution is to fix the wrongs, not to distract people from the wrongs by giving them some mundane job to do and discourage them from thinking...

 

"This society as it is now, with it technology has removed so many physical and even emotional work from people that they have little way to grow"

 

How exactly is someone, say a truck driver, being prevented from "growing" if their job is removed by AI taking over their role?  Surely, if they are forced to do something else, maybe learn a skill, that would constitute growth.  No one is "growing" by doing some mundane 9-5 job for years on end.
The problem is that those who are trying to run the world are psychopaths who want to cut the population of the world down to 100 million, and they have the power to do it

 

Struggle is the root cause of all growth.
For instance in the UK there are 3 known waves of prehistoric settlement ... broken by glaciation periods where the islands were abandoned.  The interesting thing is that tools of the last 2 waves are significantly worse than the original ancient pioneers who travelled here for the first time to an unknown land with no support and no foreknowledge.  Need is the mother of invention.

The bigger picture is then that struggle and conflict is necessary, and imagining anything else is glorifying laziness and idleness.

But ... yes conflict can also be dumb and meaningless.

Probably the alternation of conflict and peace is what human beings require to keep them growing, and this is pretty much what the universe provides to them.

People living in their heads with little contact with nature or the physical world are in my opinion much worse off then those working with their hands.  The degeneration agendas in the UK are held by the office middle class people ... the lower class who work much tougher jobs are in much better shape and have a better grasp of reality.  

As technology creeps forward what is left for people to do but stare at their phones and dream up weird realities, and get cancer and mental health problems.  This isn't progress.
Whether people know it or not, like it or not, choose or not ... the foundation for sanity comes through the body and those who work with the body are in much better health.

I don't really care about the depopulation agenda ... as most humans are quite insane it's not a priority, the lack of sanity is.  Nobody's plans, whether you are a dictator emperor or ordinary bod ... nobody's plans are actually ever carried out.  We never really lived under a capitalist or democratic system ... because there is so much interference from everybody to everybody ... that no single plan is ever carried through.  It's a living rolling disaster and there is no one group in charge, there are many competing awful groups fighting each other and everyone else.

The entire situation has no solutions whatsoever.

Except one, leaving.

 

 

 

 

 

[Nobby Noboddy]

4 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

Struggle is the root cause of all growth.
For instance in the UK there are 3 known waves of prehistoric settlement ... broken by glaciation periods where the islands were abandoned.  The interesting thing is that tools of the last 2 waves are significantly worse than the original ancient pioneers who travelled here for the first time to an unknown land with no support and no foreknowledge.  Need is the mother of invention.

The bigger picture is then that struggle and conflict is necessary, and imagining anything else is glorifying laziness and idleness.

But ... yes conflict can also be dumb and meaningless.

Probably the alternation of conflict and peace is what human beings require to keep them growing, and this is pretty much what the universe provides to them.

People living in their heads with little contact with nature or the physical world are in my opinion much worse off then those working with their hands.  The degeneration agendas in the UK are held by the office middle class people ... the lower class who work much tougher jobs are in much better shape and have a better grasp of reality.  

As technology creeps forward what is left for people to do but stare at their phones and dream up weird realities, and get cancer and mental health problems.  This isn't progress.
Whether people know it or not, like it or not, choose or not ... the foundation for sanity comes through the body and those who work with the body are in much better health.

I don't really care about the depopulation agenda ... as most humans are quite insane it's not a priority, the lack of sanity is.  Nobody's plans, whether you are a dictator emperor or ordinary bod ... nobody's plans are actually ever carried out.  We never really lived under a capitalist or democratic system ... because there is so much interference from everybody to everybody ... that no single plan is ever carried through.  It's a living rolling disaster and there is no one group in charge, there are many competing awful groups fighting each other and everyone else.

The entire situation has no solutions whatsoever.

Except one, leaving.

 

 

 

 

 

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[motleyhoo]

It's funny how so many people think all the cool new technology, social media, smartphones and the like have made their lives better.  Funny, because people have never been stretched so thin, stressed out, information overloaded and overwhelmed as they are today, and it's all because of the technology that's intoxicating and addicting them.  There's nothing simpler than the simple life, except that you actually have to get up in the morning and do something.  You actually have to be accountable to yourself and others.  You actually have to take responsibility for your own actions on a daily basis.

 

Or, you can live your life in a 5" screen, jumping every time it tells you to jump, and hating everyone it tells you to hate.

 

 

 

[HistoryIsComplex]

1 hour ago, motleyhoo said:

It's funny how so many people think all the cool new technology, social media, smartphones and the like have made their lives better.  Funny, because people have never been stretched so thin, stressed out, information overloaded and overwhelmed as they are today, and it's all because of the technology that's intoxicating and addicting them.  There's nothing simpler than the simple life, except that you actually have to get up in the morning and do something.  You actually have to be accountable to yourself and others.  You actually have to take responsibility for your own actions on a daily basis.

 

Or, you can live your life in a 5" screen, jumping every time it tells you to jump, and hating everyone it tells you to hate.

 

They came up with a very simple plan:

 

1) Place strict limits on human potential, choice and actions to the point where average peoples' lives are EXTREMELY boring.

2) Give them a "glowing screen" - first TV and Cinema, then Home Computer, PC and Console, then Smartphone and Laptop and Tablet - that is far more engaging than boring real life.

3) When people are becoming ADDICTED to their GLOWING SCREENS, begin to SUBTLY CONTROL THE INFORMATION AND MESSAGES APPEARING ON THAT GLOWING SCREEN.

4) Do NOT let people notice - ever - that the INTERNET they are connected to is actually a Multi-Trillion Dollar MILITARY NETWORK designed for population control.

5) The Pentagram - the MILITARY NETWORK turns on the people themselves, destroying all liberty, privacy, freedom of expression and eventually freedom of movement.

 

 

[rideforever]

7 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

personal - triamazicamno

 

Are you referring to the 4th way ?  Far as I know, that is a subonscious technology -3 centered being- but it's not a conscious technology.  In that tradition the link between consicous and subconscious wasn't clearly pointed at.

[Messenger]

20 hours ago, rideforever said:

Without struggle there is no opportunity to feel meaning in your life.  From where would meaning come if you do nothing.  And that struggle, that daily confrontation and resolution, allows you to exercise your faculties and grow ... and it has to be in the body not just in the head.

 

This society as it is now, with it technology has removed so many physical and even emotional work from people that they have little way to grow.  They resort to trying to grow in their mind by overthinking or through psychological problems.  The LGBT movement is probably people trying to generate conflict so that they can feel some sort of meaning and save them from the death of the plastic soulless desert of society.  A world without conflict, without opinions, without culture, without differences.  A desert of insincerity and life hatred.

 

Those who wish to go to the Utopia where everyone is the same make a grave mistake because you cannot feel alive without being alive, and being alive means confrontation struggle and difference and sorting out those differences.  Mountains that urge you to climb.  Chaos that causes you to order them.

Peace then is a fucking lie.

 

But yes when the disorder and bad faith and hatred of everything is so great, then it is hard to see the real challanges and the real struggles, the good struggles ... it becomes very confusing.

 

How often can you slagg off the leaders institutions .... you slay their spirit.  Those poor fools who are yes trying to run the world, like any teacher with a hateful classroom, they do in the end lose faith in the whole thing and give you what you want.
In other words it is the job of all sailors to support their captain, and if you simply sit below deck calling for mutiny you damage the ship.  There is a time to leave the ship to be sure, but also a time to support it.

 

It is easy to continuously call for mutiny, you get attention and your attention is leached off of a ship that you do not contribute to.  It is parasitical in the end.

 

Rideforever, a lot of the LGBT have been engineered via chemicals such as DDT or EDC's (endocrine disrupting chemicals). Plus with soy and other toxins that destroy the glands and brain.

 

Funny how shortly after that other thread where one member said, I'm LGBT please debate me, I didn't debate him, or her, I simply dropped a bunch of links to information and then a few days later the forum was hacked.

 

Maybe it wasn't because of that but it was strange timing.

 

Even at a "utopia" like environment people are going to disagree on things and learn, but it will be in a setting without satanic wackos who want to kill and drink baby blood. I'll take a utopia island any day of the week with some struggles about how to build a hut or farm coconuts over this crazy country run by cannibals.

 

Those "poor fools" running the world do not like you or I and are trying to get rid of us via many methods.

 

There is a peaceful world out there without them, but there will always be challenges between people who want peace, they simply go about resolving their differences with a lot more empathy towards one another rather than simply murdering a person who they disagree with which is what those "poor fools" have been doing.

 

I believe a lot of people do NOT want mutiny, they simply want to live life without tyrants wrecking their business, vaccinating their kids, creating artificial real estate crashes, dumping toxic waste into the environment, killing animals for profit, etc.

[rideforever]

31 minutes ago, Messenger said:

There is a peaceful world out there

 

I am with you on the goals, but looking deeper I see unsettling truths.  It's too easy to blame a group and say they are the bad onese without them it's all okay - I just looked much deeper and found ti very disturbing.

 

Even here in the garden I look over yesterday I saw a squirrel fight 3 magpies for space.  And then the neighbours have a small bird feeder hanging from a tree and a pigeon was trying to get a seed out of it, except it didn't fit on the little perch ... so this pigeon is grabbing the feeder with it's talons, then frantically flapping it's wings and down a sort of yoga move to bend forward and get it's beak ... Jesus what's wrong with these animals.

And then on the roof tops there is a pair of mating seagulls right by my window, I call them Mr and Mrs Genghis Khan ... you know why because they are the top seagulls of this few streets and all the neighbouring chimney stacks are ruled by their offspring, they have 2 or 3 babies every year since I have been here and the ones that don't die take up places around, they are all chummey and frinendly and they have vicious fights with outsiders ... it's like barnstorming, the skies alive like the battle of britain.  And they draw blood, I saw two of the with beak inside beak grappling, must have been 2 hours  ... like mma or something, blood streaks down their white feathers.

That's the peaceful natural bloody world for you.

 

But anyway I am totally for these off grid efforts, I have been to quite a few and I don't need much myself ... so that's a good effort and a bit of peace ... but there is a bigger picture about where there is to go.  Soon enough I have seen and know of quite a lot of shenanigans in these places, I am shenanigans expert.

I personally "follow the path" and study every day, but it's not something I want to bother people I meet with, I don't expect them to be any different in the end to the seagulls.

 

[Nobby Noboddy]

3 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Are you referring to the 4th way ?  Far as I know, that is a subonscious technology -3 centered being- but it's not a conscious technology.  In that tradition the link between consicous and subconscious wasn't clearly pointed at.

 

I don't like the term 4th way and I don't pay any attention to anyone but G's own writings. Only 'Beelzebub' really, un-revised edition.

 

I spent 10 years or more with groups and the 'gurdjieff society' before finally realising what it really is.

 

I have started reading the KJ bible recently because I thought I should. I can't get over the fact that it seems encoded and multi-layered. Old and new testaments dovetailing. And of course archeological evidence uncovered in the early 1900's absolutely verifying the truth of much of it. 

 

It is uncanny because the only other book that I've come across so deeply encoded is 'beelzebub' - how fucking odd. I'm starting to realise something although I'm not sure what yet.

 

I've read Beelzebub at least five times through now and still occasionally pick it up but what I've noticed more and more over the years is how right G was about so many things but THIS one blows my mind.

 

Bear in mind 'the invisible rainbow' and what we've all learned about 1,2,3,4,5G's Gurdjieff thought it important enough to title a whole chapter;

 

45. IN THE OPINION OF BEELZEBUB, MAN’S EXTRACTION OF ELECTRICITY FROM NATURE AND ITS DESTRUCTION DURING ITS USE, IS ONE OF THE CHIEF CAUSES OF THE SHORTENING OF THE LIFE OF MAN

 

 

 

 

[rideforever]

32 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

45. IN THE OPINION OF BEELZEBUB, MAN’S EXTRACTION OF ELECTRICITY FROM NATURE AND ITS DESTRUCTION DURING ITS USE, IS ONE OF THE CHIEF CAUSES OF THE SHORTENING OF THE LIFE OF MAN

 

Yes I'm also a student, I've got a beautiful copy of the 1931 version, actually I just got hold of an old copy of "With G in St Petersburg and Paris" by Anna Butkovsky.  And the notions about energy is very interesting ... not sure what he would say about nuclear power.  He also said that one of the main causes of our suffering is not enough screwing - in this era although sexualisation is far and wide, sex - normal sex is probably much reduced and reduced in natural quality.

But anyway, Gurdjieff is a blessing and one of the finest teachers to walk on the Earth, but what is the endgame - that is my question for Gurdjieff because the 3-centered-self-remembering work is subconscious ... rather than conscious.  The bridge between the two is rarely explained and probably not understood, for instance G says talks of "Real I" and "merging with the Sun Absolute", he also says that the Eastern way is correct and that the way of the Yogi is the second best after his way and takes about 10 years ... so those are various end point ideas, but the link between 3 centered work and the end point is unclear, and in fact I use yogic teaching to make the bridge, but I use Gurdjieff for the subconscious human world - that's my synthesis.

Luckily I was never induced into any Church which is why I love Catholicism, likewise I studied Gurdjieff directly and independently and so see it differently then people who were group induced.

 

On energy:
Vagina apparently means "sheath" ... and when the energy is sheathed as it is in a traditional marriage then there are no leaks ... parasitism is when you cause leaks in other beings and feed off the leaks ... the thing about that is that it is incredibly inefficient from the point of view of the entire natural energy system ... what often happens is the hosts then are damaged and function very badly and the amount of energy parasited is quite small really  ... so in divide and conquer as we see today ... a great deal is damaged in order to feed just a few parasites; and furthermore if the host organism are sufficiently brainwashed then they no longer feel the joy of ordinary life and ordinary continent relationships ... and so they demand their own parasitism they lose their souls in bright lights big cities big agendas ... because it "makes them feel alive" ... in other words you are taught that ordinary life is wrong or harmful to you ... then you demand lgbt life and as the degenerates take over your society and you slowly die, you get a bit of a buzz out of it.  You are betrayed.  Parasites often cleverly feed the host a little bit of their own flesh, so that they won't fight the parasites more strongly.
A fully continent well ordered society has very few leaks, people do their life rhythms and all energy are converted at the maximum but there is no big show.
When society has bright lights and big noises coming out of it ... it is actually a bonfire of the living energy of the those beings, being burnt alive by parasites.
... well hope I explained that well enough to get the gist of it ...

If you can understand this energy metaphor than many old adages become clear about "all that glitters is not gold" and so on ... and then you can understand the virtue of a proper marriage being a maximisation of Yin and Yang energy creation.  
G says that in the "old days", yin goes for retreat with yin to be revived by the great Yin Well (women together), likewise for men hunting together ... then when they return the Yang meets Yin and the result is big creative force.  Such was the wisdom in those days.  They had power.
 

Edited June 9, 2020 by rideforever

[rideforever]

Life After Death
I sense that a deep fusion is needed to solidify the human being so that it survives death, if that is not done ... it was always wobbly and remains wobbly at death .... the sheep are people who allow junk to pass right through them like a knife through butter ... who is there actually?  How can melting butter reincarnate?
A person with an empty head is not really a person it is a biological sheath over the wind.  It's quite fine, it's not a problem but the wind blows in and out and nothing happens.

When life is traumatic tragic and difficult ... AND when there is  the Spirit ... then something happens, something starts to try with all its might to hold together to yearn to fight to struggle.

And that causes FUSION.

Like putting clay in the furnace.

This body is dead it is dying now ... you should want FUSION not temporary health.

You should want Trouble and a lot of it and meet it with all your being.

 

Another thing.  IF you do fuse yourself into a reincarnatable soul ... that's all just great, well done.  But you have to remember that the existential material that makes up your soul ... once upon a time was floating around in the void, in the great soup in the sky, it probably tried to incarnate as a soul many times, over and over, until the right combination of soup and external conditions gave it the power to FUSE, probably that happens due to intense tragedy that you feel rather than avoid.

 

Thus there are two guidances for people who wish to exist eternally, which cause FUSION:

 

1. Let yourself hurt, be honest and feel the pain ,then the deeper pain, face it feel it do not hide from it, do not be like steel, let it hurt your marrows

2. Make choices, plan, and ACT, and then COMPLETE ... each time you say I will, I can .. you fuse something

 

 

[Nobby Noboddy]

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Yes I'm also a student, I've got a beautiful copy of the 1931 version, actually I just got hold of an old copy of "With G in St Petersburg and Paris" by Anna Butkovsky.  And the notions about energy is very interesting ... not sure what he would say about nuclear power.  He also said that one of the main causes of our suffering is not enough screwing - in this era although sexualisation is far and wide, sex - normal sex is probably much reduced and reduced in natural quality.

But anyway, Gurdjieff is a blessing and one of the finest teachers to walk on the Earth, but what is the endgame - that is my question for Gurdjieff because the 3-centered-self-remembering work is subconscious ... rather than conscious.  The bridge between the two is rarely explained and probably not understood, for instance G says talks of "Real I" and "merging with the Sun Absolute", he also says that the Eastern way is correct and that the way of the Yogi is the second best after his way and takes about 10 years ... so those are various end point ideas, but the link between 3 centered work and the end point is unclear, and in fact I use yogic teaching to make the bridge, but I use Gurdjieff for the subconscious human world - that's my synthesis.

Luckily I was never induced into any Church which is why I love Catholicism, likewise I studied Gurdjieff directly and independently and so see it differently then people who were group induced.

 

On energy:
Vagina apparently means "sheath" ... and when the energy is sheathed as it is in a traditional marriage then there are no leaks ... parasitism is when you cause leaks in other beings and feed off the leaks ... the thing about that is that it is incredibly inefficient from the point of view of the entire natural energy system ... what often happens is the hosts then are damaged and function very badly and the amount of energy parasited is quite small really  ... so in divide and conquer as we see today ... a great deal is damaged in order to feed just a few parasites; and furthermore if the host organism are sufficiently brainwashed then they no longer feel the joy of ordinary life and ordinary continent relationships ... and so they demand their own parasitism they lose their souls in bright lights big cities big agendas ... because it "makes them feel alive" ... in other words you are taught that ordinary life is wrong or harmful to you ... then you demand lgbt life and as the degenerates take over your society and you slowly die, you get a bit of a buzz out of it.  You are betrayed.  Parasites often cleverly feed the host a little bit of their own flesh, so that they won't fight the parasites more strongly.
A fully continent well ordered society has very few leaks, people do their life rhythms and all energy are converted at the maximum but there is no big show.
When society has bright lights and big noises coming out of it ... it is actually a bonfire of the living energy of the those beings, being burnt alive by parasites.
... well hope I explained that well enough to get the gist of it ...

If you can understand this energy metaphor than many old adages become clear about "all that glitters is not gold" and so on ... and then you can understand the virtue of a proper marriage being a maximisation of Yin and Yang energy creation.  
G says that in the "old days", yin goes for retreat with yin to be revived by the great Yin Well (women together), likewise for men hunting together ... then when they return the Yang meets Yin and the result is big creative force.  Such was the wisdom in those days.  They had power.
 

very useful thanks. I agree with your point on the subconcious work, in that understanding comes not when I'm reading or thinking usually.

[scowie]

Keep getting blocked messages so i will try splitting this up...

 

18 hours ago, rideforever said:

Struggle is the root cause of all growth.

 

Historically, but not in our modern civilised society.  People are not innovating in order to put food on the table anymore.  They do it to make a name for themselves, to earn respect, for the satisfaction of bringing something new to the world, or to just make a shit-load of money.  Hell, they may even do it just to get laid — supposedly one of Mark Zuckerberg's "driving forces" — he certainly didn't create Facebook to avoid starvation.

 

18 hours ago, rideforever said:

The bigger picture is then that struggle and conflict is necessary, and imagining anything else is glorifying laziness and idleness.

 

In the modern world only bad things come from struggle and conflict, i.e. death, disease, poverty, crime, and people doing evil shit for money (like working for pharmaceutical companies!).  Glorifying it is stupid and evil.  Good things come from secure civilised society.  I'd much rather people be idle than do evil shit for money.

 

18 hours ago, rideforever said:

Probably the alternation of conflict and peace is what human beings require to keep them growing, and this is pretty much what the universe provides to them.

 

I have no time for spiritual BS.  Logic and reason and objective truth are all I care about.

 

18 hours ago, rideforever said:

People living in their heads with little contact with nature or the physical world are in my opinion much worse off then those working with their hands.

 

The only people working (in significant numbers) with their hands who are in contact with nature are farmers and loggers, and in large parts of the world that "contact" means removal of habitats and getting rid of as much nature as possible, e.g. Indonesia and Brazil — and that is thanks to people and nations being made to struggle (+the demonisation of animal fat & promotion of palm oil).  Most people who work with their hands are sat on production lines in factories with no contact with nature at all.  If anything, for most people it is their need to work that prevents contact with nature.

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18 hours ago, rideforever said:

As technology creeps forward what is left for people to do but stare at their phones and dream up weird realities, and get cancer and mental health problems.

 

Learn, travel, do sport, get in contact with nature. ;)  Those who do shy away from the world and stare at their phones likely do so due to feeling shamed by the pressure to earn that society puts on them.  Whatever someone chooses to do, it would be superior to doing some mind-numbing drudgery on a production line.  There is no pride in doing something that technology could do much better than you.  When I see documentaries about production in factories, much of it is automated but they sometimes show you that in some part of the factory they still have people doing mind-numbing shit, and the supervisor will laud it as if continuing to employ people in this way is something to be proud of.  It annoys me when I see and hear this.  We need to be eliminating as many jobs as possible and introduce a basic universal income.  The veneration of employment needs to end.

 

Mental health problems are largely caused by the pressure that society puts on people to earn a living.  This is evidenced by the benefits observed in trials of a basic universal income, i.e. reduced alcohol intake, reduction in hospital admissions, along with people simply reporting improved mental health.  Cancer is caused by toxins, predominantly those produced by the chemical and pharmaceutical industries.  It is thanks to the pressure to earn and ignorance of the con-artistry implicit in these industries that they are able to recruit people.  Btw, technology has the potential to save us from much of these toxins, by replacing chemical pesticides with pest killing robots.

 

18 hours ago, rideforever said:

the foundation for sanity comes through the body and those who work with the body are in much better health.

 

Tell that to the families of all those farmers who have committed suicide due to financial pressures.

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18 hours ago, rideforever said:

no single plan is ever carried through.  It's a living rolling disaster and there is no one group in charge, there are many competing awful groups fighting each other and everyone else.

 

There is one plan with many stages to it (and we're in the middle of at least a couple of them right now!).  Some stages previously observed in other countries are practise runs for what is intended to be rolled out worldwide in the near future, like the sterilisation of young Kenyan girls through a tetanus vaccination campaign.

 

There is only one group at the top, The Fourth Reich, and that's because they have the weapon that nullifies all conventional weaponry, i.e. electrogravitic technology, aka antigravity, aka zero-point energy, aka directed energy weaponry.  As well as powering flying saucers, it was used to turn the World Trade Center buildings to dust.  It is also used in occult ceremonies to con the financial elite and Vatican high-ups into believing in Lucifer (it can imitate telepathy, animate the dead) — as Ronald Bernard can attest, although he doesn't recognise that it is technology doing it — read the book 'The Hunt for Zero Point' though and you will hear similar observations to his.

 

Much of the 20th century's recorded history is wrong.  Hitler never committed suicide — he flew off to South America. Eisenhower officially and covertly surrendered to him in Argentina, following displays of the Fourth Reich's superior technology and infiltration of the US military industrial complex. The book 'Antarctica's Hidden History' by Michael Salla can tell you about that (or listen to the audible version) — Antarctica is where they developed their electrogravitics.

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I do buy in to a lot of the Fourth Reich theory.  We brought those evil-infected people over here, and on there way to taking over everything they infected many of the rest of us, especially their enablers in high places.  Same thing happened in the UK, Australia, Europe.  We all basically injected our countries with a syringe full of cancer.

 

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*btw, i meant telekinesis, rather than telepathy