Face coverings to be made mandatory for public transport travel in the UK.

[Guest A-chan]

I've just got on my second bus in London town, and I was only gently prompted to wear a mask and I placed my hand on my chest and the driver said nothing else. The first driver said nothing at all.

 

Sadly most people are mask wearers, however, there are people not wearing them. It is extremely hot on the bus, yet the first one I got on had several sweaty people all in masks...

 

When I was waiting at the bus station an announcement played informing us of the mask "rule" (read: recommendation), and the exemption... 

 

There are still too few people out on this beautiful Summer's day.

 

 

 

[chocomel]

How safe is it to get on a plane?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52822913

 

They might not let you use the toilet.... worthwhile bringing your own bottle if you are a bloke....ladies...may be a piss pot?

They closed all the toilets in the shopping centre, shops, cafe etc anyway.

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

3 minutes ago, chocomel said:

How safe is it to get on a plane?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52822913

 

They might not let you use the toilet.... worthwhile bringing your own bottle if you are a bloke....ladies...may be a piss pot?

They closed all the toilets in the shopping centre, shops, cafe etc anyway.

 

 

 

Nice to see that even the BBC has become 'click-bait' bullshit news.

 

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And crucially, while HEPA filters do work, they can't capture all Covid-19 droplets or aerosols before you might breathe them in, says Dr Julian Tang, consultant virologist at the Leicester Royal Infirmary and associate professor at Leicester University. He is also one of the team behind a study, published this month, looking at minimising the airborne transmission of Covid-19 in enclosed spaces.

"Filtration only works on mass airflows, most of the transmission during a plane journey will be those short-range face-to-face conversations. Close range aerosol transmission is what you have to be worried about on a plane, train or a bus - this is the biggest risk."

And even if you are further away, the risk is not eliminated, says Dr Tang. "How long Covid-19 can remain airborne depends on a range of factors. It varies between different people, it varies depending on the state of your infection, and you can't say all the droplets will fall to the ground within two metres.

"Some smaller droplets can stay suspended and travel up to 16 metres - and they all could be carrying the virus."

 

What a load of horseshit. It's a fucking virus, not a tiny flying insect.

[chocomel]

1 minute ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Nice to see that even the BBC has become 'click-bait' bullshit news.

 

 

What a load of horseshit. It's a fucking virus, not a tiny flying insect.

 

Actually HEPA filtre is very good. Hospitals have them and it filtres out even radioactive particulates.

Anyway, there is no pandemic so there is no need to worry about the 'virus'.

 

[sickofallthebollocks]

Face masks are about compliance rather than protection.... think it was said on this forum that a wearing a face mask to stop any virus is the equivilant in size proportions to trying to stop a mosquito going through chicken wire fence - the holes are so massive that any virus can get through.
here's a guy who went shopping in walmart with a large-mesh facemask to make a point.  (unfortunately he's just talking about it rather than seeing him in the shop)

But he talks some sense, specifically, why doesn't everyone (who has to wear a facemask for transport reasons or whatever) just wear a large mesh facemask - it instantly and visually makes the point that most people are too shy to voice up and make - that it's all lies:
 

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by sickofallthebollocks
add reason for wearing facemask)

[Grumpy Owl]

12 minutes ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

Face masks are about compliance rather than protection.... think it was said on this forum that a wearing a face mask to stop any virus is the equivilant in size proportions to trying to stop a mosquito going through chicken wire fence - the holes are so massive that any virus can get through.

 

I agree with this. In particular it must be noted that in the case of the UK at least, the government guidelines are that a 'face covering' must be worn, so not specifically a 'face mask'.

 

They're basically saying "we don't care what you wear, just wear a face covering".

 

And then they give us this crap about how you can make a 'face covering' using an old t-shirt.

 

And its all in the name of 'keeping people safe'.

 

But then again you have the typical contradiction:

 

"You MUST wear a face covering while using public transport. Unless you're unable to. In which case you do not need to wear a face covering."

 

So we have this situation where the healthy majority of people are expected to wear face coverings when they really don't need to, while the people who might benefit the most from wearing coverings are not expected to do so.

 

Utter sham.

 

[motleyhoo]

54 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Nice to see that even the BBC has become 'click-bait' bullshit news.

 

 

What a load of horseshit. It's a fucking virus, not a tiny flying insect.

 

And it's not even a virus that's worse than a mild flu.  The brainwashed masses have seen this data for sure, because even the CDC and WHO have been saying it's no worse than a mild flu, and yet they seem deaf to the very same people who filled them with terror 3 months ago.  I'm beginning to believe that what's going on at this point is people actually want there to be a pandemic to be fearful of.  They're so addicted to the fear and excitement and cortisol that they can't get enough of it, and they're all in it together like it's turned into a massive cult.  It's classic Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.

[Grumpy Owl]

16 minutes ago, motleyhoo said:

 I'm beginning to believe that what's going on at this point is people actually want there to be a pandemic to be fearful of.  They're so addicted to the fear and excitement and cortisol that they can't get enough of it, and they're all in it together like it's turned into a massive cult.

 

I agree completely. I have on occasion - based on what I've learned from reading David Icke's material in particular - warned people "be careful what you wish for".

 

If it is indeed true - which I now believe it is - that we manifest our own reality, then just as much as I myself try to manifest an 'acceptable form of reality', I am still surrounded by people in my own version of 'reality' that are thinking otherwise, and distorting my own.

 

 

[Edgecrusher]

19 hours ago, kj35 said:

 

To be fair Stansted IS the most soul destroying airport on the planet.  I avoid it even in normal circumstances. 

 

 

I really did feel inhuman. It was dark and grey, drizzling, we were ushered through like cattle by a trans with a deep voice (it wasn't until she/he turned round we realised where the voice was coming from ).

 

There were loads of comments by people saying WTF is going on with this country...

 

By the time I got to my car I felt like curling up in a ball and rotting into the earth.

[kj35]

13 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I agree with this. In particular it must be noted that in the case of the UK at least, the government guidelines are that a 'face covering' must be worn, so not specifically a 'face mask'.

 

They're basically saying "we don't care what you wear, just wear a face covering".

 

And then they give us this crap about how you can make a 'face covering' using an old t-shirt.

 

And its all in the name of 'keeping people safe'.

 

But then again you have the typical contradiction:

 

"You MUST wear a face covering while using public transport. Unless you're unable to. In which case you do not need to wear a face covering."

 

So we have this situation where the healthy majority of people are expected to wear face coverings when they really don't need to, while the people who might benefit the most from wearing coverings are not expected to do so.

 

Utter sham.

 

It's a visible representation of who they are controlling...what percentage..they can count the masks and see how much more fear they need to implement to get the majority under control

[kj35]

8 minutes ago, Edgecrusher said:

 

I really did feel inhuman. It was dark and grey, drizzling, we were ushered through like cattle by a trans with a deep voice (it wasn't until she/he turned round we realised where the voice was coming from ).

 

There were loads of comments by people saying WTF is going on with this country...

 

By the time I got to my car I felt like curling up in a ball and rotting into the earth.

It's always like that. Cattle shed is just how I feel about it. I fly probably 6 times a year minimum and I avoid Stansted like the plague even though it's often the cheapest option.

[Orange Alert]

31 minutes ago, Edgecrusher said:

 

I really did feel inhuman. It was dark and grey, drizzling, we were ushered through like cattle by a trans with a deep voice (it wasn't until she/he turned round we realised where the voice was coming from ).

 

There were loads of comments by people saying WTF is going on with this country...

 

By the time I got to my car I felt like curling up in a ball and rotting into the earth.

 

Did you get locked-in/mass detainment by the double security doors at Stansted Cattle Market as shown here in the video at 2 mins 27 secs.?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GImFJyKPRxQ

 

[Edgecrusher]

13 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

 

Did you get locked-in/mass detainment by the double security doors at Stansted Cattle Market as shown here in the video at 2 mins 27 secs.?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GImFJyKPRxQ

 

 

It was the bit before the new passport control. They were testing it out, where you put your passport face down, and then it doesn't work and you end up doing it the old way anyway 

 

Though seeing that again bought me out in a cold sweat!!!

Edited June 27, 2020 by Edgecrusher

[Orange Alert]

1 minute ago, Edgecrusher said:

 

It was the bit before the new passport control. They were testing it out, where you put your passport face down, and then it doesn't work and you end up doing it the old way anyway 

 

I miss when passport control officials wore civilian clothing and looked like librarians and social workers, instead of now with the black shirt uniform and the law enforcement equipment belt.

[Jack]

card cost 55p+ £2.5 p and p

[chocomel]

On 6/26/2020 at 8:47 PM, motleyhoo said:

I'm beginning to believe that what's going on at this point is people actually want there to be a pandemic to be fearful of.  They're so addicted to the fear and excitement and cortisol that they can't get enough of it, and they're all in it together like it's turned into a massive cult.

 

I'd say not so much of addicted to....but it is ingrained neural pathway, it is habitual pattern in grained so deep that it happens unconsciously.

 

On 6/26/2020 at 9:10 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I agree completely. I have on occasion - based on what I've learned from reading David Icke's material in particular - warned people "be careful what you wish for".

 

If it is indeed true - which I now believe it is - that we manifest our own reality, then just as much as I myself try to manifest an 'acceptable form of reality', I am still surrounded by people in my own version of 'reality' that are thinking otherwise, and distorting my own.

 

 

The more people realise it the better Grumpy.

This was a huge step for me when I was told by one of my teachers that YOU were the one creating the problem. I am still working on it but it is a matter of shifting the view.

The problem of one sort to another has been and will continue to exist but it is our perspective of 'a glass is half empty or full' changes the outcome. Don't think you are just A person, just one who don't have DI number of followers. YOU do have place in the world such as in your local area where I can't be and so on.

Once you get the hang of this, very powerful and even if you can't think...in our finite mind... of other ways out, by keeping the glass half full will bring about ways out. Someone will pop-up from nowhere, for example. It is also important to keep your focus on what you want because zombies will criticise you, trying to pull you back down to confuse you etc....

I think you've done the hardest shift which is the beginning that the rest will be just practise and being mindful.

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by chocomel

[Rolandson]

And people following their leaders like they always do. Stalin, Hitler and so on. 

[Grumpy Owl]

Some of the 'whiners' in this article are unbelievable...

 

Commuters' fury as bus drivers 'refuse to challenge' passengers for not wearing masks

Unite the union said it is 'not the role of bus drivers' to prevent someone without a face covering from boarding a bus.

from: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/commuters-fury-bus-drivers-refuse-18527797

 

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One worried passenger said: "It's compulsory to wear face coverings on ALL public transport, so why are drivers letting people on without?"

But Unite the union, which represents more than 80,000 bus workers, said it was not the role of the driver to enforce the rules.

Instead, it claimed the health of drivers was being put at risk by the 'failure of police and bus operators in dealing with the problem'.

And the union said, as a result, a second spike in Covid-19 infections was 'becoming likely'.

 

I agree that it is not the role of the driver to enforce this. Bus drivers are paid to drive the bus and issue tickets.

 

But I disagree with Unite's pushing of the 'idea' that a 'second spike' of so-called infections is likely.

 

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Bobby Morton, Unite national officer for public transport, said: "Unite members are increasingly reporting the rules on face coverings and social distancing on public transport, especially buses, are being flouted.

"With the frequency of public transport increasing and passenger numbers rising, the danger of a second spike will be greatly increased unless decisive action is taken to ensure the rules are followed.

"It is not the role of bus drivers, nor do they have the power, to prevent someone without a face covering from boarding a bus.

"The failure of bus operators and the police to deal with this increasing problem is potentially risking the health of bus workers and passengers, and could have disastrous consequences for the nation’s public health."

 

So come on then Unite, what is YOUR proposed solution to all this?

 

I get fed up of these people who constantly point a finger of blame, and demand 'something to be done', or warn 'unless decisive action is taken' etc etc. but never actually offer any kind of solution or proposal.

 

Probably because the 'solution' they'd like to implement wouldn't be very popular with the general public.

[Jack]

 

[Yasmina]

On 7/1/2020 at 6:48 PM, chocomel said:

 

I'd say not so much of addicted to....but it is ingrained neural pathway, it is habitual pattern in grained so deep that it happens unconsciously.

 

 

The more people realise it the better Grumpy.

This was a huge step for me when I was told by one of my teachers that YOU were the one creating the problem. I am still working on it but it is a matter of shifting the view.

The problem of one sort to another has been and will continue to exist but it is our perspective of 'a glass is half empty or full' changes the outcome. Don't think you are just A person, just one who don't have DI number of followers. YOU do have place in the world such as in your local area where I can't be and so on.

Once you get the hang of this, very powerful and even if you can't think...in our finite mind... of other ways out, by keeping the glass half full will bring about ways out. Someone will pop-up from nowhere, for example. It is also important to keep your focus on what you want because zombies will criticise you, trying to pull you back down to confuse you etc....

I think you've done the hardest shift which is the beginning that the rest will be just practise and being mindful.

 

Any tips chocomel? 

[chocomel]

7 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Some of the 'whiners' in this article are unbelievable...

 

Commuters' fury as bus drivers 'refuse to challenge' passengers for not wearing masks

Unite the union said it is 'not the role of bus drivers' to prevent someone without a face covering from boarding a bus.

from: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/commuters-fury-bus-drivers-refuse-18527797

 

 

I agree that it is not the role of the driver to enforce this. Bus drivers are paid to drive the bus and issue tickets.

 

But I disagree with Unite's pushing of the 'idea' that a 'second spike' of so-called infections is likely.

 

 

So come on then Unite, what is YOUR proposed solution to all this?

 

I get fed up of these people who constantly point a finger of blame, and demand 'something to be done', or warn 'unless decisive action is taken' etc etc. but never actually offer any kind of solution or proposal.

 

Probably because the 'solution' they'd like to implement wouldn't be very popular with the general public.

 

If there is a Birmingham resident who is affected by this malarkey, I suggest you submit a suggestion to the bus company to follow the announcement played on the London Bus.

They've changed it from "You must wear a mask while travelling on the public transport." immediately followed by "there are exemptions etc"....(obviously paraphrasing...can't remember the exact words) I still get people turning around to look at me but hey, everyone is wearing a mask, they are 'protected'.

[chocomel]

6 hours ago, Yasmina said:

Any tips chocomel? 

 

Tips for you? Or for the masses?

If it's for the latter, I suggest a ritual to wake people up...irony...I know. lol

[Grumpy Owl]

YOU MUST WEAR A FACE COVERING ON PUBLIC TRANSPORT unless you are unable to

 

Check this out, I was sent this yesterday, might help anyone else here from the West Midlands region.

 

From: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/network-overview/advice-while-travelling-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/face-coverings/

 

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In line with the latest Government guidance, face coverings must be worn for the full duration of journeys on public transport from Monday 15 June.

Yours protects them and theirs protects you - Scientific advice says that face coverings can help reduce the chance of infecting others while out in public.

However, it is important to remember that face coverings are not a replacement for social distancing and you should still do this wherever possible alongside regular hand washing.

 

I still haven't seen this 'scientific advice' published or linked to anywhere. I like how they point out that wearing face coverings is 'not a replacement' for social distancing.

 

So what's the point then really? If we're all forced to wear face coverings, then surely we can all be packed together on buses and trains? (Like they did in London during lockdown on the tube!)

 

Anyway, it turns out that all you need to do in order to get away with not having to wear a face covering on public transport in the West Midlands is to download and print off this card, then just show it to the driver and any passengers scowling at you from behind their own masks.

 

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Exemption Card

To support people with hidden health or mental conditions or disabilities we have produced an assistance card which can be downloaded here. You can carry this card and if asked why you are not wearing a face covering you can show this to a staff member or fellow passenger.  

You can also download the image here and save to your phone to show if you don't have a printer. 

Or you can ask a member of staff at Coventry, Dudley, Walsall or West Bromwich bus stations for a printed card. They are also available at Wolverhampton and Birmingham New Street Travel Centres. 

 

So if you genuinely have a condition that exempts you from having to wear a face covering, you just need to print off or obtain one of these 'cards' to show anyone who challenges you.

 

But equally, if you just don't fancy having to wear a face covering, you just need to print off or obtain one of these cards. No questions asked.

 

That's how I'm reading this. Oh, this is surely open to abuse isn't it?

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Oh, this is surely open to abuse isn't it?

 

But isn't that the idea mate?

Allow it for now and then when 'people' use it .... create a storm of backlash and close it down!

It's the same shit over and over .... justify the implementation of a technocracy via inducing fear into the programmed mass through the use of our resistance!

 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

9 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

So if you genuinely have a condition that exempts you from having to wear a face covering, you just need to print off or obtain one of these 'cards' to show anyone who challenges you.

 

But equally, if you just don't fancy having to wear a face covering, you just need to print off or obtain one of these cards. No questions asked.

 

That's how I'm reading this. Oh, this is surely open to abuse isn't it?

 

 

When you say that the exemptions cards are open to abuse, I would suggest that the abuse lies with the controllers imposing mandatory wearing of face coverings rather than those resisting the tyranny of it.