oz93666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) Just now, jonesthepost said: Get lost oz; you’re a right pain in the arse sometimes. Realism can be a pain in the arse ... it's still reality and you need to face it if you seriously want to survive .... Aqua-phonics is very nice , but again looters will take it all while you sleep. This thread is about Surviving ( presumably if civilization breaks down) .... Number one priority is protecting what you have from those who will take it . Going underground is the logical solution . Edited May 31, 2020 by oz93666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 I've bought some books on canning. Preserving food without freezers. I intend to do a lot of it so will post here methods etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinfoil Hat Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, oz93666 said: Realism can be a pain in the arse ... it's still reality and you need to face it if you seriously want to survive .... Aqua-phonics is very nice , but again looters will take it all while you sleep. This thread is about Surviving ( presumably if civilization breaks down) .... Number one priority is protecting what you have from those who will take it . Going underground is the logical solution . If it comes to that, they can have it, because I'm not living like a flipping mole. 57 minutes ago, kj35 said: I've bought some books on canning. Preserving food without freezers. I intend to do a lot of it so will post here methods etc Me too - there's a lot can be done with salt & vinegar to ferment veg too, which is meant to be very good for you. I've only scanned so far, but it looks interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said: If it comes to that, they can have it, because I'm not living like a flipping mole. If you've left it too late to construct a comfortable underground shelter then you still need a way of protecting what you have .... taser circuit modules can be bought on eBay for $4 ... Lets take a step back and look at why this thread was started ... Storm ..." Given the fact that most peoples world has been turned upside down in a matter of months and we don't know what's coming down the pipeline (we might think we do but we might also be wrong!), I thought it might be beneficial to start a thread with practical hints, tips or suggestions to be at least a little bit prepared...." So it's for a time when food supplies might be restricted , things might break down ... A fair % of the population will not sit in their flats and go hungry ! They will go out with mates looking for food ... So you can pickle and grow and store all you like , the marauding mutants will come and take it all ! ...Unless you can protect it .... Realistically what can you do , in a flat , in the UK ??? If I were in that position I'd buy a few of these .... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1000kv-Step-up-high-Voltage-Pulse-Inverter-Arc-Generator-Ignition-Coil-Module/192862721823?hash=item2ce783971f:g:~QAAAOSwupBckFyX Two wires go to a small battery ... two wires deliver the shock ... incorporate the whole thing in a meter long stick and you can hold them all off , only someone with a gun will get you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, kj35 said: I've bought some books on canning. Preserving food without freezers. I intend to do a lot of it so will post here methods etc This is a waste of time KJ .... It's designed for people who grow and want to preserve food for the winter .... You will end up spending a fortune on jars ... then you have to buy the food and process it ... Just buy dried figs dates currents prunes dried apples , pears ,dried strawberries . Soak in water overnight before eating .... sprouting seeds (dried peas , sunflower , mung , alfalfa ) Edited May 31, 2020 by oz93666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, oz93666 said: This is a waste of time KJ .... It's designed for people who grow and want to preserve food for the winter .... You will end up spending a fortune on jars ... then you have to buy the food and process it ... Just buy dried figs dates currents .... sprouting seeds (dried peas , sunflower , mung , alfalfa ) I'm growing on an allotment so it's for that. But yes , I agree , this current drought is getting increasingly concerning. Is the weather weird in Thailand? Or is it just uk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 None of us know how this is going to pan out, but here's my take on it. Not withstanding some form of catastrophic event occurring such as a war, a real pandemic or an alien invasion, I think it will unfold slowly. As we have seen from recent events, most people are docile and obedient and will believe that "the government will look after us". They will be glued to MSM and will to a large extent do as they're told. The reason why this "pandemic" was so successful is that people in general have lost the ability to rationalize. Common sense has been bred out of them over a generation so they will obey because they don't know what else to do. This applies more so to cities than rural areas because rurally a lot of people still have to problem solve on a regular basis using logic and are therefore more adept at working out solutions. As the system begins to unravel, supply lines break down and food production begins to falter, then the looting will commence. To counteract this the army will be put on the streets and martial law and curfews put in place. 5G may be used as a control method to create anxiety and depression, and the majority will just stay at home, worry, and hope that the government "does something". The first priority for the government (apart from feeding themselves, their family and their cronies) will be to feed the army, so food production will be under military control. Death rates will rise dramatically due to a combination of factors. Old people will die in their droves due to lack of sustenance, lack of care and medication, loneliness, and simply losing the will to live. There will be a huge spike in suicides. People will die from disease and illness because their immune systems are weakened due to poor diet and lack of nourishment. By the time people begin to realise that the government is not going to "do something" they will be too weak and depressed to be capable of actually doing something for themselves. There will be a "rogue element" who will continue to do what they've always done, which is to steal or take by force what they need or want. However I don't subscribe to the idea of armed gangs scouring the countryside and attacking farms looking for food for the simple reason that they comprehend "food" in a different way. To them food is instant, as in a takeaway, a mcdonalds or a microwave dinner. They may stretch to opening a can but that would be about it. They would have no desire or knowledge to prepare and cook food. They would not even recognise a field of potatoes, let alone when they're ready for harvest or what to do with them when they did. Even livestock would be a problem for them. They could shoot a cow, but then what? How do you skin it, what parts can you eat, and how do you prepare it? And how messy would that whole exercise be? They could raid farms in the hope of finding ready made food, but most rural houses have dogs for security and quite a lot have legally held firearms so it would be a case of high risk for little reward. No, I think that if these gangs did venture out of the cities it would be to target smaller towns and the ready made foods in their shops. In the countryside they would be in an alien environment and would have no desire to spend too much time there. That's my take how the scenario would most likely pan out. It's all guesswork of course but then again if you don't guess then you've no chance of being right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, kj35 said: I'm growing on an allotment so it's for that. But yes , I agree , this current drought is getting increasingly concerning. Is the weather weird in Thailand? Or is it just uk? It's very dry here ... I moved to this land 8 years ago , been keeping rainfall records 6 years ( I collect and measure ) ... This year has been very dry ... Karl Mollison says it's the ET's manipulating weather to impact food ..... I have a lot of durian trees which need plenty of water , I have a river I pump water from , without that they would all be dead ... the river ran dry 3 weeks ago , luckily the rain came just in time .... coconuts and mango-teen (have a lot of these ) can usually survive dry periods ....I must be better prepared for next year , the trick is to irrigate excessively while the river still runs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, oz93666 said: It's very dry here ... I moved to this land 8 years ago , been keeping rainfall records 6 years ( I collect and measure ) ... This year has been very dry ... Karl Mollison says it's the ET's manipulating weather to impact food ..... I have a lot of durian trees which need plenty of water , I have a river I pump water from , without that they would all be dead ... the river ran dry 3 weeks ago , luckily the rain came just in time .... coconuts and mango-teen (have a lot of these ) can usually survive dry periods ....I must be better prepared for next year , the trick is to irrigate excessively while the river still runs . It's everywhere then. Good to know (in that we do need to prep and seriously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Storm in the garden said: No, I think that if these gangs did venture out of the cities it would be to target smaller towns and the ready made foods in their shops. In the countryside they would be in an alien environment and would have no desire to spend too much time there. That's my take how the scenario would most likely pan out. It's all guesswork of course but then again if you don't guess then you've no chance of being right Sure ... the more remote you are the better .... I would imagine the vast number of forum members live in typical streets , towns and villages (UK) ... all the flats and houses close together . It's hard to imagine teenagers would sit quietly and go hungry ... they will be calling on their neighbors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, kj35 said: I've bought some books on canning. Preserving food without freezers. I intend to do a lot of it so will post here methods etc I know oz93666 doesn't agree but I think that's a great idea. Any potential advantage or new skill set cannot hurt, and may be advantageous. None of us know how all this could pan out so all we can do is take our best guess and plan accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, oz93666 said: It's hard to imagine teenagers would sit quietly and go hungry ... they will be calling on their neighbors Oh that's a gimme. There'll be break-ins all over the place for sure. The only thing is that the ones who do this like to operate close to home. they like to operate in areas they are familiar with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Storm in the garden said: I know oz93666 doesn't agree but I think that's a great idea. Any potential advantage or new skill set cannot hurt, and may be advantageous. None of us know how all this could pan out so all we can do is take our best guess and plan accordingly. I agree. But also oz makes a valid point about dried fruits and sprouting seeds. In the UK the best places to find these foods are the Asian food stores. I'm going to go again today and stock up. Wheat and barley harvests now look f@#$ked here and virtually nothing in the press unless you go digging for it. Edited May 31, 2020 by kj35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 34 minutes ago, kj35 said: nothing in the press unless you go digging for it No pun intended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Storm in the garden said: No pun intended My puns are always intentional :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Something which nobody has mentioned: It depends on your country and the laws of the land but..... Join a local gun club! If like me you don't want to shoot living creatures you can join a "clay pigeon" club, then apply for a legally held firearm licence? Just a thought.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motleyhoo Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 hours ago, kj35 said: I've bought some books on canning. Preserving food without freezers. I intend to do a lot of it so will post here methods etc Dehydrating is easy also. You can dehydrate lots of different kinds of shrooms and they'll keep for a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, motleyhoo said: Dehydrating is easy also. You can dehydrate lots of different kinds of shrooms and they'll keep for a couple of years. Yes I forgot about that.. I picked one up for around €60 a few years ago, mainly to dehydrate meat to make healthy dog treats, but you can also dehydrate fruit and vegetables...basically anything with a high moisture content. You can then re-hydrate later by simply soaking in water. I'm not sure for how long dehydrated food lasts but I'd imagine a good while if kept in airtight containers. If it's fruit & veg you're not going to give yourself food poisoning anyway because the look, smell and taste will tell you if it's okay to eat or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgecrusher Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I have been buying dried/tinned foods and water for about 8wks each time I go shopping I get a few bits. Nothing major but it's piling up. I am going to be picking up some bits from the initial list though. What a joke that these discussions have to take place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Edgecrusher said: have been buying dried/tinned foods and water for about 8wks each time I go shopping I get a few bits. Nothing major but it's piling up. I am going to be picking up some bits from the initial list though. You've got nothing to lose and maybe a lot to gain from doing that. 9 minutes ago, Edgecrusher said: What a joke that these discussions have to take place... Yes but unfortunately it is what it is....Unless the sheeple start waking up pretty quick it's going to be necessary to prepare for the worst I reckon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad the lad Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Trouble is Oz to go remote I still need an income for me and my family. My job does not even exist in Wales and Devon which are both quite remote. I would need to train up on a whole new system of boilers and there is no time for that. That means I have nothing to trade in skills to survive. That is even if I can get over the boarder to buy...which I can't in Wales. I hear you mate but sometimes things ain't staight forward and more so when kids are involved. I could up and go remote but I still need to have something to trade to survive (in the UK anyway). I went round and round for weeks with this one and that is where the stress came from. It don't matter where you are in the World when this kicks in because no one is exempt. You may have less problems but you will have problems. They will just be different ones. Go remote and have no humans around you and it might just be another humans help you need....so then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad the lad Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 hours ago, oz93666 said: Your original instinct to get out was correct Stress ??? You ain't seen nothing yet ... these are the quiet times .... How the hell do you think you're going to stop people stealing your veg in the night ??? Presumably you are growing this to avoid food shortage , You will be surrounded by hungry people ...People even steel from allotments in normal times , what do you think it will be like when there are food shortages ....good luck . Trouble is Oz to go remote I still need an income for me and my family. I found out that my job does not even exist in Wales and Devon which are both quite remote. I would need to train up on a whole new system of boilers and there is no time for that. That means I have nothing to trade in skills to survive. That is even if I can get over the boarder to buy...which I can't in Wales. I hear you mate but sometimes things ain't staight forward and more so when kids are involved. I could up and go remote but I still need to have something to trade to survive (in the UK anyway). I went round and round for weeks with this one and that is where the stress came from. It don't matter where you are in the World when this kicks in because no one is exempt. You may have less problems but you will have problems. They will just be different ones. Go remote and have no humans around you and it might just be another humans help you need....so then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lore Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 hours ago, oz93666 said: If you've left it too late to construct a comfortable underground shelter then you still need a way of protecting what you have .... taser circuit modules can be bought on eBay for $4 ... Two wires go to a small battery ... two wires deliver the shock ... incorporate the whole thing in a meter long stick and you can hold them all off , only someone with a gun will get you . So Oz... you are advocating fear-based reactions; running away, hiding in a concrete bunker, protecting yourself and harming anyone who comes near you, what kind of person would want to survive in a world like that? It sounds exactly like the archonic world most of us are trying to prevent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, Brad the lad said: . I would need to train up on a whole new system of boilers and there is no time for that. ....kids are involved. No sweat ... Stay put Brad ... resourceful people can survive anywhere ... Build a couple of taser light sabers ... train the kids how to use them , and they can protect your food stockpile from the Marauding Mutant Zombies ...It'll be like a game to them , they've played it all before a dozen times on their X-Box ... I almost sorry I won't be there ...I'll miss the adventure . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lore Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Brad the lad said: No one can plan for this and that's how it has been masterminded. All in stages to keep us confused. Goal posts moving daily and constantly blurring your vision in the process. All said though I think it is our duty as the ones awake to pull them in and try our hardest to not become one of them. Gifting seeds is a great example that is very cheap. Well said Brad, we are where we are for a reason. Sharing with our neighbours, taking care of each other, bartering and working together to get through whatever comes our way is the best way forward and also the best way of preventing 'anti-social behaviour' locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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