When is enough, enough?

[Ed8]

12 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

It is not my job in a technical sense, no, but it feels that way to me. Perhaps the word "mission" or "calling" would be more fitting. You may see it as fruitless but I don't. From my online correspondences I can confirm that I have successfully awakened others. True, they were more willing to listen than some, but they weren't quite there. Most recently a Canadian woman and myself have been talking quite a lot about this 

When I say "it may end badly", I refer to this being ultimatley a losing battle. If enough people don't wake up, it is over. Why do you think David recently asked us to share his work? He literally asked us to help spread his messages recently on Bitchute. He did that because he knows, like I do, that to stand a real chance we need numbers. We need more people to resist. Everything is going exactly as they planned at the moment. If it carries on like this, and we reach the grand finale, it will end badly. I don't advocate taking to the streets (not yet at least). All I ask is that we try our best to help others wake up. Show the truth and expose it. 

 

Am I unhappy? Perhaps. But not when I'm working to help others and trying to expose the truth. Then I feel good about myself. I feel as though I am making a difference. Maybe I'm crazy, I don't know...but I think I am making a difference.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

[kj35]

And @TruthSeeker27 is a good man doing something.  The next question is what are you doing

Edited May 30, 2020 by kj35

[Fluke]

Just now, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

Well, considering I'm a Catholic, I don't dismiss it as "Abrahamic religious nonsense". What you view as a "thoroughly bad mindest", I see as our only hope of salvation. If a man lives only for himself (and those he cares for) he acheives nothing. If we live for others, we acheieve everything, regardless or not if my beliefs in God are correct or not. If all of Mankind became more selfless, Earth itself would become a paradise.

 

It is not my job in a technical sense, no, but it feels that way to me. Perhaps the word "mission" or "calling" would be more fitting. You may see it as fruitless but I don't. From my online correspondences I can confirm that I have successfully awakened others. True, they were more willing to listen than some, but they weren't quite there. Most recently a Canadian woman and myself have been talking quite a lot about this and I have introduced her to David and his work. Please tell me in what way that is a bad thing?

 

Sitting around doing something artistic or spirtiual, etc, "whatever floats your boat" doesn't cut it if you truly see things the way I do. I see it as a ticking time bomb. I honestly do believe that our world will be changed forever within the next few months to a year (at max). There's no coming back from what we're heading towards. I'm not willing to just sit and take it. True, I could just try and enjoy my last moments of real freedom (although I believe that true freedom was lost a long, long time ago now), but what would be the point in that? It would be going against my own nature.

 

When I say "it may end badly", I refer to this being ultimatley a losing battle. If enough people don't wake up, it is over. Why do you think David recently asked us to share his work? He literally asked us to help spread his messages recently on Bitchute. He did that because he knows, like I do, that to stand a real chance we need numbers. We need more people to resist. Everything is going exactly as they planned at the moment. If it carries on like this, and we reach the grand finale, it will end badly. I don't advocate taking to the streets (not yet at least). All I ask is that we try our best to help others wake up. Show the truth and expose it. 

 

Am I unhappy? Perhaps. But not when I'm working to help others and trying to expose the truth. Then I feel good about myself. I feel as though I am making a difference. Maybe I'm crazy, I don't know...but I think I am making a difference.

Well I am afraid your "hope" is inappropriate. I take it you are not an empiricist.

 

"If a man lives only for himself (and those he cares for) he acheives nothing. If we live for others, we acheieve everything, regardless or not if my beliefs in God are correct or not. If all of Mankind became more selfless, Earth itself would become a paradise".

 

 How does someone achieve nothing? I think this statement is flawed. Who wants to live their life hoping that the 'masses' see what is right in front of them but chooses not to either through fear, stupidity etc.. Mankind are not going to become more selfless, its not in our nature, and you can be as morally right as you want to be with that attitude you will be used as a doorstep. Earth is a paradise.

 

If you live for yourself, your family, and surround yourself with decent like minded people, and do not engage with this nonsense you win. Timothy Leary said "find the others." The art of no contact with any pathological force I find works best. So when we evolve with each other, we can disengage from the control grid. We can let the masses take their vaccines, get their chips. We disengage. We create, we laugh, and we sing. That way the control grid doesn't get to our soul.

 

"When I say "it may end badly", I refer to this being ultimatley a losing battle. If enough people don't wake up, it is over. Why do you think David recently asked us to share his work? He literally asked us to help spread his messages recently on Bitchute. He did that because he knows, like I do, that to stand a real chance we need numbers. We need more people to resist. Everything is going exactly as they planned at the moment. If it carries on like this, and we reach the grand finale, it will end badly. I don't advocate taking to the streets (not yet at least). All I ask is that we try our best to help others wake up. Show the truth and expose it. "

 

I don't see it as a losing battle I see it as a new era of creation. Where the more evolved go on, and the masses, the normies will falter, wither and die out. You say everything is going as planned, but I don't think that's entirely true. They have made some major errors towards the end of this lockdown, that I am sure the truth is starting to come out. Although I think we haven't seen the worst of it yet (so hold on to your chair.)

 

Regarding David Icke, I think it is great that you have introduced someone to David Icke. I think we can test the waters to see if someone is receptive or not. If its the normies in general, be prepared for potential mass cognitive dissonance. Its why I don't bother, and one of the major problems with the truther community. It becomes a religion in the need to wake people up. Unfortunately you will never be happy with that mindset. If you can make people laugh, use humor, memes, it could help. But posting essays (not saying you do) and posting loads of icke and truther type videos on FB like I have seen a few people do, will only isolate you.

 

Lastly, next time you go out, go to work, go to your local store, have a look around. Look at your neighbours. Ask yourself if you want these people to wake up. And if they did what would it look like. Some may wake up to certain truths and certain realities once their fear has worn down, but imagine what it would look like? Its easy to look at it through rose tinted glasses, but it wouldn't be sunshine and rainbows. And it will actually never happen, not in our life time. And that's okay. It doesn't matter. You are not superior to them, but you are probably on of the 20percent who saw through this bullshit when it all started. So all I would say to you is don't let the negatives on here convince you we are doomed. They are just sheep in the truther world looking for a new messiah. A new Russell Bland.

 

[TruthSeeker27]

6 hours ago, Fluke said:

Well I am afraid your "hope" is inappropriate. I take it you are not an empiricist.

 

"If a man lives only for himself (and those he cares for) he acheives nothing. If we live for others, we acheieve everything, regardless or not if my beliefs in God are correct or not. If all of Mankind became more selfless, Earth itself would become a paradise".

 

 How does someone achieve nothing? I think this statement is flawed. Who wants to live their life hoping that the 'masses' see what is right in front of them but chooses not to either through fear, stupidity etc.. Mankind are not going to become more selfless, its not in our nature, and you can be as morally right as you want to be with that attitude you will be used as a doorstep. Earth is a paradise.

 

If you live for yourself, your family, and surround yourself with decent like minded people, and do not engage with this nonsense you win. Timothy Leary said "find the others." The art of no contact with any pathological force I find works best. So when we evolve with each other, we can disengage from the control grid. We can let the masses take their vaccines, get their chips. We disengage. We create, we laugh, and we sing. That way the control grid doesn't get to our soul.

 

"When I say "it may end badly", I refer to this being ultimatley a losing battle. If enough people don't wake up, it is over. Why do you think David recently asked us to share his work? He literally asked us to help spread his messages recently on Bitchute. He did that because he knows, like I do, that to stand a real chance we need numbers. We need more people to resist. Everything is going exactly as they planned at the moment. If it carries on like this, and we reach the grand finale, it will end badly. I don't advocate taking to the streets (not yet at least). All I ask is that we try our best to help others wake up. Show the truth and expose it. "

 

I don't see it as a losing battle I see it as a new era of creation.. You say everything is going as planned, but I don't think that's entirely true. They have made some major errors towards the end of this lockdown, that I am sure the truth is starting to come out. Although I think we haven't seen the worst of it yet (so hold on to your chair.)

 

Regarding David Icke, I think it is great that you have introduced someone to David Icke. I think we can test the waters to see if someone is receptive or not. If its the normies in general, be prepared for potential mass cognitive dissonance. Its why I don't bother, and one of the major problems with the truther community. It becomes a religion in the need to wake people up. Unfortunately you will never be happy with that mindset. If you can make people laugh, use humor, memes, it could help. But posting essays (not saying you do) and posting loads of icke and truther type videos on FB like I have seen a few people do, will only isolate you.

 

Lastly, next time you go out, go to work, go to your local store, have a look around. Look at your neighbours. Ask yourself if you want these people to wake up. And if they did what would it look like. Some may wake up to certain truths and certain realities once their fear has worn down, but imagine what it would look like? Its easy to look at it through rose tinted glasses, but it wouldn't be sunshine and rainbows. And it will actually never happen, not in our life time. And that's okay. It doesn't matter. You are not superior to them, but you are probably on of the 20percent who saw through this bullshit when it all started. So all I would say to you is don't let the negatives on here convince you we are doomed. They are just sheep in the truther world looking for a new messiah. A new Russell Bland.

 

 

Earth has the potential to be a paradise. Evil forces are preventing it from returning to its former (original) state. In that first paragraph, you give no reason for me not to try and wake others up outside of "you'll be used as a doorstep". So be it. It makes no difference. When you're fighting for something that's worth fighting for, and truly believe you have the power of love behind you it makes no difference. Even if I was to die it would make no difference. If I speak one thought that thought lives, even if only as a memory in the unconscious mind.

 

Yes, by living for myself I do win, in a sense... But I also don't. Full disclosure, before my awakening, before all this, I was a gambling addict. A selfish gambling addict who got his heart broken, hurt those around him, lost everything, threatened (nearly killed someone), cheated and lied and then tried to kill himself... It was only when death called that I was given a message. It may sound insane, but this inner "voice" told me that I was living life wrong and that I should live for others. That was the turning point in terms of my soul changing direction. This fake pandemic and Mr. Icke awakened my mind, but God awakened my soul when it was dying... Now I know why. Because I believe I have a part to play in this. We all do. Yes, I appreciate my family more now and try my best not to fall back into my vices, but it's only through my selfless love of the world that this became possible. 

 

Your willingless to let those who aren't awakened die (or to be left as good as dead) suggests to me that you are less evolved than you think you are. The whole part about  "Where the more evolved go on, and the masses, the normies will falter, wither and die out", that tells me that only your mind is awake, your soul isn't. I'm fond of the human race for all their faults. I'm not going to leave them behind just because they're not awake to what's happening. If we all had that attitude, no one would be awake. Some people just don't possess the ability to read between the lines without the aid of others.

 

And no, when trying to wake someone up I never just go on and on talking about David Icke and my innermost thoughts. Not at first. I test the waters, throw out on isolated theory, see how they react, take it to chat or DM and then become more persuasive.

 

I can tell you're a good person. I know that. And I know you mean well. But you're cynical in regards to the human race and in a way, have less hope than I do. I suppose that's the way it can be if you truly don't believe that victory is 100% assured. I believe it is. It's only a matter of time before the power behind all this (and no, I'm not referring to the Cabal, I'm referring to the actual force of Darkness that fuels them) is consumed by its own hatred.

Edited May 30, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[Messenger]

I tended to my garden today for about three hours, dug two long trenches for drainage, laid down that black mesh to stop weeds, pulled a bunch of weeds, and damn am I sore but I fee super accomplished so I am happy about that. It feels good to work a garden and know you are working something that helps you be self sustainable especially in these times.

 

I would like to get a large group of people together and do a huge plot of land with pear trees and walnut trees. Please, feel free to steal my idea, I am giving it away. The more people who unite and grow alkaline food, the more powerful we become thus rendering the NWO turds irrelevant.

[motleyhoo]

8 hours ago, Messenger said:

I tended to my garden today for about three hours, dug two long trenches for drainage, laid down that black mesh to stop weeds, pulled a bunch of weeds, and damn am I sore but I fee super accomplished so I am happy about that. It feels good to work a garden and know you are working something that helps you be self sustainable especially in these times.

 

I would like to get a large group of people together and do a huge plot of land with pear trees and walnut trees. Please, feel free to steal my idea, I am giving it away. The more people who unite and grow alkaline food, the more powerful we become thus rendering the NWO turds irrelevant.

 

My entire garden has been taken over by briars.  I just look at it and shake my head - where do I even start.  You see, last year I spent two weeks digging them up, being careful not to leave any roots, and then this year they come back triple what they were last year.

 

 

[Messenger]

5 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

 

My entire garden has been taken over by briars.  I just look at it and shake my head - where do I even start.  You see, last year I spent two weeks digging them up, being careful not to leave any roots, and then this year they come back triple what they were last year.

 

 

Yeah that sucks. A garden is a full time job but that's what our grandparents and great grandparents did to survive.

The black mesh is supposed to help keep weeds out. I have it set up as such, a raised row of plants, then a lower row of wood chips for drainage, raised row of plants, lower row of woodchips.

It's a work in progress.

[Kat Bottom]

On 5/30/2020 at 7:00 AM, Messenger said:

I tended to my garden today for about three hours, dug two long trenches for drainage, laid down that black mesh to stop weeds, pulled a bunch of weeds, and damn am I sore but I fee super accomplished so I am happy about that. It feels good to work a garden and know you are working something that helps you be self sustainable especially in these times.

 

I would like to get a large group of people together and do a huge plot of land with pear trees and walnut trees. Please, feel free to steal my idea, I am giving it away. The more people who unite and grow alkaline food, the more powerful we become thus rendering the NWO turds irrelevant.

I just found this thread!

 

Definitely, it's gonna happen! I'm doing the same thing; growing stuff in my Mum's garden to get into the habit of producing our own food. If you're definitely committed to this (or to a similar course of action), pm me. The more people we get, and the more skilled we become at agriculture, health e.t.c., we can create lots of off-grid scenario's and everyone can choose how they want to live

[Kat Bottom]

On 5/27/2020 at 2:39 PM, 2020member said:

I, like many on here, discovered the essence of David's work many years before the biggest overhaul to this planet we've ever seen since WWII. 

 

Don't get me wrong the walls have been closing in for a long time, and this way of life has been at odds with my ethical and moral compass more and more. But... this way of life up until late, has been just about bearable and i've managed to co-exist with the state forcing the will of the few onto the many. 

 

Mandatory vaccines, microchips, contact tracing, biometric passports, 5G et al. Is where I will personally draw the line and lay down everything to stop this becoming my new reality. And when I mean lay down everything, I mean everything.

 

If family ties have to be cut, marriages have to be broken and fleeing the city to live off-grid with like-minded people is the only option to preserve a life that does not go against everything I have ever believed in - then so be it. 

 

As long as you don't think that some group like Q-Anon are doing all the graft behind the scenes on our behalf. Then i'm afraid these are the tough choices many thousands of people will have to be making in the coming years, or maybe even months. 

 

I'm wondering if others on the forum are of the same opinion who have managed to grin and bear it up until now. People such as myself, who have managed to coexist and work within the system even though they know the truth. I think the charade is going to come to an end soon and those who relentlessly duck and dive the vaccine (and the system in general) will have no place to hide and will eventually become social outcasts. 

 

The only fall back is a new system and way of life for people like us as we reach this fork in the road...

 

OP,

 

It's happening! If you're ready to take the leap of faith, there is a massive team being assembled to do exactly what you described en-mass!

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 5/27/2020 at 8:52 PM, TruthSeeker27 said:

I'm in the unique position of "enough being enough" happening at the same moment as my awakening, or soon after. I had always had my doubts about this world, and just knew that forces existed beyond my comprehension. One way or another, I knew that the bloke or woman in Number 10 Downing Street wasn't running my country. I always knew that forces existed beyond that, pulling the strings on a global level. But I never gave it much thought. I am essentially your archetype loner. I love my family, but enjoy being alone and indeed, spend the majority of my time alone, isolated from the potential madness of the world, choosing instead to focus on my own little world, and how I can do my bit to help others in it, those who I see or interact with on a daily basis... But now everything has changed.

 

Yes, this plandemic has forced me to sit up and take full attention of what's happening. But it's so awful because yes, it is like a tidal wave that's suddenly arrived before me. It had always been a distant speck on the horizon. But while you and clearly many others on this forum had noticed it creeping closer and closer, for me it went from being in the distance to being literally upon me, right on my doorstep. The world has seemingly gone mad... But now I know it was crooked to begin with. Filled with dark forces and so many fools willing to do whatever the state tells them to do.

 

Enough is enough for me already. The week that changed everything for me was the week between the 17th of March to the 24th. Those days were among the most significant in my life. That's when the awakening happened and now it's just about planning ahead. It's getting to the point where I feel lost. I am determined not to slink away. I do not blame those who choose to flee from society. I actually envy you... But I feel it would be pointless. In time, "they" (you know who they are) will come for you. The powers that be will not let people break away unless they want them to. I believe the only hope we have now is fighting back from within and that's what I'm trying to do on a daily basis. Trying my hardest to wake other people up and I am having some success. If you're not doing so already, I do highly suggest that everyone who reads this tries to wake other people up. It may seem pointless and you may get mocked. Have patience. They don't get it. But they are more willing to listen now because they know that something is rotten somewhere. This whole global event has changed everything, for better and for worse. 

 

I honestly believe that these summer months will be our last of freedom (or at least, a certain, pathetic form of it), and our last chance to wake other people up. We can't waste this chance. We have to fight back... And yeah, it may end badly, but...to quote Thorin Oakenshield (from The Hobbit)..."If this is to end in fire...then we will all burn together!"

 

 

I know what you mean. I spend a lot of time alone too and think how crazy it's getting. I expect this is how people felt in 1938/9.

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 5/27/2020 at 11:05 PM, Edgecrusher said:

 

I know exactly what you mean.

 

I've always felt "awake" or whatever you wanna' call it. My mum is a Jehovah's witness, and I was brought up being told about "armageddon" from as long as I can remember (I'm not a Jehovahs Witness, organised religion is not for me) but some of it sticks with you, especially Revelations haha I'm 47 now btw.

 

My brother always told me politicians were puppets and I've always looked at how the world worked and felt it just doesn't add up. Had an overall interest in war from Napoleonic times too and I think reading about war can teach you a lot about what really goes on and why...

 

Since 9/11 and the mess caused in the Middle East, the mass migration, the weird LGBT narrative being pushed on MSM, climate change etc, I've just felt, we're heading towards "something" but it was the seemingly overnight switch with the BBC "it's the Russians" narrative after the Sergei and Yulia Skripal poisoning that I thought, we're heading to something sooner than I thought. I have also looked at the BBC for quite a long time and felt that much of the main news was actually seriously fake/staged.

 

I've never voted either, as never felt it would make any difference. When you step back and look it's obvious things get taken in a direction regardless of who's in power. Nothing I do stops me paying taxes or not being part of the system but I was always proud I never put my tick in the box of the wrong person just because there wasn't much of a choice...

 

I've had an eye on Mr Icke since the Wogan thing, and have always shown an interest on and off but haven't read all his books. When I have read them they just seem to confirm what I've always "felt" anyway, you're sort of busy trying to enjoy the status quo as it is, getting on with your job/life otherwise what's the point - I wonder how David Icke has done it all this time. I hope with all my heart that he hasn't wasted his time.

 

I don't feel this has meant to have happened just yet but think Trump being in Office, us coming out of the EU, and what obviously seems like a massive paedophile ring about this close to being exposed any minute has bought it all forward a bit but not by much - with 2030 always being thrown around for the NWO and 2050 for it being all done.

 

I haven't seen one alternative media person say this hasn't NOT caught them out either, so for us I think it's an even bigger shock. I've seen many say we're grieving as we have lost out lives, and we know it. Ignorance is bliss...

 

I feel sick when I think about it and have up and down days. Sometimes I think they've gone too far too quickly and that too many people will wake up and the lot is going to come crashing down around them... I do see sense people are asking more and more questions, and also walking around (in the UK) people seem to me to not really be that bothered, and I think if they start trying to force mask wearing they're going to say what for, and the school thing is going to be a massive part of this.

 

Other times I think I just haven't got the energy for the fight, and feel like lying down and hoping I don't wake up as I feel, as has been said, the walls are closing in on me, and I don't want part of it. I don't want to be separated from my partner, that's the thing that worries me but I will be saying no regardless of whatever they say they want to do.

 

I also am not very good at having conversations about this without getting so fucking annoyed with people, so I don't come across well. If I was more articulate and had thicker skin, I would have actually walked around my town hading stuff out. Sometimes I talk myself out of things as when I see the sheep, and they are the majority, I just think no wonder "they" want to depopulate the planet... 

 

Talking on Twitter and a forum isn't really achieving much. I don't want to say what I do think people should be doing as it won't look good on the Forum.

 

You expressed yourself very articulately. I understand where you are coming from as I was brought up in the JW's also until I was 15 and then my mother left, finally seeing through their nonsense. ( My Dad was never into it).

 

I've been an atheist all my life really- I was told to believe in it of course but as a tiny child you don't really understand it, but I had a nagging in me "this may not all be true" and by the time we left the JW''s I was so relieved.

 

I have those moments of fear also, but I just keep thinking of my Granddad ( born in 1899) who lived through two world wars ( and passed on when I was 13) and his generation who had to live through a lot of fear and try and stay courageous.

 

I do think we are heading for another war, but I will do my best to keep on going. I'm 52 tomorrow, so I'm no longer a "youngster" and will stay as decent as I can until the end.

 

Wishing you well!

Edited June 11, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack

[TruthSeeker27]

39 minutes ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

 

I know what you mean. I spend a lot of time alone too and think how crazy it's getting. I expect this is how people felt in 1938/9.

 

I imagine they did to a certain degree, yes, but I actually think it's worse for us now. In 38/39 it was clear who the enemy was, and everyone was aware of Hitler's evil and the evil of the Nazis in general. But now it's even harder because our enemy is not truly known to us. They're not a nation, they exist everywhere and have already taken over so much of this world. But ultimatley, what makes this even worse is that most people don't even realise that they're in a fight for freedom, the fight of their lives. They just think what's happening is a natural event and that the protests are about equality. So many don't see the sinister undertones, and those who do are literally shut down and "cancelled".

[itsnotallrightjack]

1 hour ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I imagine they did to a certain degree, yes, but I actually think it's worse for us now. In 38/39 it was clear who the enemy was, and everyone was aware of Hitler's evil and the evil of the Nazis in general. But now it's even harder because our enemy is not truly known to us. They're not a nation, they exist everywhere and have already taken over so much of this world. But ultimatley, what makes this even worse is that most people don't even realise that they're in a fight for freedom, the fight of their lives. They just think what's happening is a natural event and that the protests are about equality. So many don't see the sinister undertones, and those who do are literally shut down and "cancelled".

 

You have a point, and also we had a strong  prime minister in Winston Churchill unlike Boris Johnson who is doing nothing to stop all this violence. 

 

(I'm not saying Winston Churchill was all "good" by the way but he was way better than the lot we have had in recent years).

 

I can't see Winston allowing a load of thugs to riot and stir up trouble!

Edited June 11, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack

[TruthSeeker27]

15 minutes ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

You have a point, and also we had a strong  prime minister in Winston Churchill unlike Boris Johnson who is doing nothing to stop all this violence. 

 

(I'm not saying Winston Churchill was all "good" by the way but he was way better than the lot we have had in recent years).

 

I can't see Winston allowing a load of thugs to riot and stir up trouble!

 

I still do not believe that Johnson is deeply involved with any of this. I'm not saying he's not aware of it (especially the COVID scam), but I don't think he was ever involved before he became Prime Minister. I don't think the powers that be ever wanted Johnson to get in, just like they never wanted Brexit. For all his faults, I actually thought Boris was a strong man, and I actually think he would have cracked down harder on the ones who were rioting, but I think he's scared at the moment. He knows he has no power anymore and when he talks he literally seems to be reading from a script.

 

When it comes to Churchill, I do think he was a tough man in character. I don't know that much about him, but I don't think he was a good man. He didn't care at all about those of low social status/the poor. Does that make him strong? I don't think so, not that part of his character. But no, I don't believe he would ever have allowed himself to be a pawn for anyone. I know this cult/cabal has existed for centuries now, but I don't know how long it has been present within British politics. Either way, I can't imagine Churchill ever allowing such scenes.

Edited June 11, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

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3 hours ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I still do not believe that Johnson is deeply involved with any of this. I'm not saying he's not aware of it (especially the COVID scam), but I don't think he was ever involved before he became Prime Minister. I don't think the powers that be ever wanted Johnson to get in, just like they never wanted Brexit. For all his faults, I actually thought Boris was a strong man, and I actually think he would have cracked down harder on the ones who were rioting, but I think he's scared at the moment. He knows he has no power anymore and when he talks he literally seems to be reading from a script.

 

When it comes to Churchill, I do think he was a tough man in character. I don't know that much about him, but I don't think he was a good man. He didn't care at all about those of low social status/the poor. Does that make him strong? I don't think so, not that part of his character. But no, I don't believe he would ever have allowed himself to be a pawn for anyone. I know this cult/cabal has existed for centuries now, but I don't know how long it has been present within British politics. Either way, I can't imagine Churchill ever allowing such scenes.

 

Feel similar on Johnson that genuinely dont think he is a horrible person or anything I just think now hes in too deep/ too scared like you said so hes waved the flag and surrendered to it all but he must know somethings not right he just must but it doesn't help any of us lot because we are left living under Orwellian state rules in wait for the inevitable planned 2nd wave and he will put us all in lockdown again arguably a harsher one next time . Bar the Belarus president and the president of the country in Africa who sent the grapefruit as a joke to test all other presidents/ leaders of their countries have surrendered to this cult 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Alex

[TruthSeeker27]

3 hours ago, Alex said:

 

Feel similar on Johnson that genuinely dont think he is a horrible person or anything I just think now hes in too deep/ too scared like you said so hes waved the flag and surrendered to it all but he must know somethings not right he just must but it doesn't help any of us lot because we are left living under Orwellian state rules in wait for the inevitable planned 2nd wave and he will put us all in lockdown again arguably a harsher one next time . Bar the Belarus president and the president of the country in Africa who sent the grapefruit as a joke to test all other presidents/ leaders of their countries have surrendered to this cult 

 

Yep, completely agree on Boris. He is scared, I can see it in his eyes. And yes, for sure, the planned second wave will come in the Autumn/Fall months. I don't think they'll hit the brakes just yet. They'll give us some months of freedom, but only a pathetic version of it.

 

I knew about the grapefruit testing positive, but was unaware that Belarus had resisted but you're right. Am just checking about it now and they even carried on playing football.

 

It's sad to see just how many countries this cult/cabal has infected.

Edited June 11, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[Alex]

3 hours ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

Yep, completely agree on Boris. He is scared, I can see it in his eyes. And yes, for sure, the planned second wave will come in the Autumn/Fall months. I don't think they'll hit the brakes just yet. They'll give us some months of freedom, but only a pathetic version of it.

 

I knew about the grapefruit testing positive, but was unaware that Belarus had resisted but you're right. Am just checking about it now and they even carried on playing football.

 

It's sad to see just how many countries this cult/cabal has infected.

 

It's a seriously tough situation we are all in to be honest and without been too dramatic the only way I personally see out of this is if we all sod off the grid and start a new community or something because the majority just arent going to go against this come winter they just arent. At the moment just feel like we are sitting ducks here because its only a matter of months before this farce returns and like you said what normal have we actually  got left for these few months. Masks on transport distancing everyone footy without any fans theres nothing here left here. You cant even start a new job or look to do anything because you know we will all be in lockdown again in a few months 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Alex

[TruthSeeker27]

10 minutes ago, Alex said:

 

It's a seriously tough situation we are all in to be honest and without been too dramatic the only way I personally see out of this is if we all sod off the grid and start a new community or something because the majority just arent going to go against this come winter they just arent. At the moment just feel like we are sitting ducks here because its only a matter of months before this farce returns and like you said what normal have we actually  got left for these few months. Masks on transport distancing everyone footy without any fans theres nothing here left here. You cant even start a new job or look to do anything because you know we will all be in lockdown again in a few months 

 

I know. What you say is true... But to me, running isn't an option. I've said this before, so apologies if I sound like a broken record, but...there's nowhere to run in my mind. The world is too small now and if we all leave (some of the only free thinkers left in the world), the rest would just completely go along with it, and then they'd come for us as well. I still believe our only hope is fighting within. If things get really bad, and all seems lost, then maybe that's the time to try and go off grid, when there's literally nothing left to lose. But I still think we have time to influence others. It's hard, but a lot of my time is spent speakiing with people on the internet who are 50/50 about things. They're not sure of what's going on, they just feel as though they're being conned. I speak with them and try and nudge them in the right direction, and point most of them in David Icke's direction.

 

It is tough, I know that, but we have to keep fighting in my opinion. It's too soon to give up and run.

[Alex]

1 hour ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I know. What you say is true... But to me, running isn't an option. I've said this before, so apologies if I sound like a broken record, but...there's nowhere to run in my mind. The world is too small now and if we all leave (some of the only free thinkers left in the world), the rest would just completely go along with it, and then they'd come for us as well. I still believe our only hope is fighting within. If things get really bad, and all seems lost, then maybe that's the time to try and go off grid, when there's literally nothing left to lose. But I still think we have time to influence others. It's hard, but a lot of my time is spent speakiing with people on the internet who are 50/50 about things. They're not sure of what's going on, they just feel as though they're being conned. I speak with them and try and nudge them in the right direction, and point most of them in David Icke's direction.

 

It is tough, I know that, but we have to keep fighting in my opinion. It's too soon to give up and run.

 

Know what you mean it's just so damn difficult because you know its coming back and yoi can just see the majority going along with it all again. When all said and done it's a decent bet that half of the worlds population will take this vaccine which is what mainly this Coronavirus scam is all about. Once they get enough people vaccinated this will all go away and they will leave us alone for a few more years before the whole ww3 build up. So if 50% get the vaccine that leaves the other 50% left so you are right there is still hope without a doubt. It's just hard at the moment because it just feels like I and all of us are sat here waiting for the 2nd wave to arrive. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Alex

[motleyhoo]

On 5/29/2020 at 3:46 PM, 2020member said:

thank you so much for sharing. i really feel for you. i live with 3 other people who don't 'get it' whatsoever. All I can say is, keep chipping away and don't let your own health suffer from other peoples ignorance. it is only ourselves that can live our own lives. and if your spiritual at all... you'll know that it is us that have to stand before the creator and account for ourselves on judgement day. stay safe and stay strong. 

 

Try living like that when the brainwashed person is your spouse.  I just had an argument with my wife because she does not believe that any hospitals would lie and put Covid on people's charts, or that any govt agency would ever direct them to do something unscrupulous.  She also does not believe the WHO would ever make a mistake, on purpose or otherwise.  In her mind there could not be any fraud because if there was someone in charge would stop it.  It is exasperating how psychologically blind these people are.  I know it's because of the programming, I just don't know how to undo it.

[Orange Alert]

9 hours ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I still do not believe that Johnson is deeply involved with any of this. I'm not saying he's not aware of it (especially the COVID scam), but I don't think he was ever involved before he became Prime Minister. I don't think the powers that be ever wanted Johnson to get in, just like they never wanted Brexit. For all his faults, I actually thought Boris was a strong man, and I actually think he would have cracked down harder on the ones who were rioting, but I think he's scared at the moment. He knows he has no power anymore and when he talks he literally seems to be reading from a script.

 

When it comes to Churchill, I do think he was a tough man in character. I don't know that much about him, but I don't think he was a good man. He didn't care at all about those of low social status/the poor. Does that make him strong? I don't think so, not that part of his character. But no, I don't believe he would ever have allowed himself to be a pawn for anyone. I know this cult/cabal has existed for centuries now, but I don't know how long it has been present within British politics. Either way, I can't imagine Churchill ever allowing such scenes.

 

By chance a few years back, I saw an episode of the BBC's documentary series Inside the Foreign Office, when Boris Johnson was Foreign Secretary, it looked like he was just an actor following a script, and having difficulty at times to remember his lines, he was guided by advisors on policy issues and what to say in meetings.  The public were conned with two traps regarding the COVID, first to show in detail staged terror scenes in Wuhan, back in January & February, and to underplay it. Next they overplayed the terror for the actual lockdown with all the so-called COVID death and infection figures reported around the world and showing from other countries the empty streets, busy hospitals, staged convoys of large military trucks taking the dead away, creating an emergency about the shortage of intensive care ventilators with the need to buy and produce ventilators in a hurry,  Boris's handling and announcements gave the illusion of incompetence and inaction which was all by design. With the government looking to be putting people's lives at risk, anger grew, fuelled by the MSM and Ferguson's the dodgy dossier, for an almost complete shutdown.  In my opinion, Boris was guided step by step all the way.

[motleyhoo]

15 hours ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

I do think we are heading for another war, but I will do my best to keep on going. I'm 52 tomorrow, so I'm no longer a "youngster" and will stay as decent as I can until the end.

 

Wishing you well!

 

I'm 60 and very conflicted.  Inside of me is a lion ready and willing to pick up arms, and not afraid of killing someone to protect my liberty if it comes to it, but I'm just too old of a man to behave that way.  Running, fighting, hiding, sleeping in ditches and climbing hills with 20lb of armour and 30 lbs of other stuff - I just cannot do anything like that anymore. I'd sure like to though.  I guess if it comes to it, I'll just quietly bide my time in the shadows working the Intel and Comm side of things.

 

[itsnotallrightjack]

23 hours ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

I still do not believe that Johnson is deeply involved with any of this. I'm not saying he's not aware of it (especially the COVID scam), but I don't think he was ever involved before he became Prime Minister. I don't think the powers that be ever wanted Johnson to get in, just like they never wanted Brexit. For all his faults, I actually thought Boris was a strong man, and I actually think he would have cracked down harder on the ones who were rioting, but I think he's scared at the moment. He knows he has no power anymore and when he talks he literally seems to be reading from a script.

 

When it comes to Churchill, I do think he was a tough man in character. I don't know that much about him, but I don't think he was a good man. He didn't care at all about those of low social status/the poor. Does that make him strong? I don't think so, not that part of his character. But no, I don't believe he would ever have allowed himself to be a pawn for anyone. I know this cult/cabal has existed for centuries now, but I don't know how long it has been present within British politics. Either way, I can't imagine Churchill ever allowing such scenes.

 

I kinda do feel a bit sorry for Boris Johnson- he seems out of his depth. He sure isn't tough as Winston Churchill was- and hasn't the experience level that Winston has when he became prime minister.

 

And yes Boris, probably is reading from sort of script. Winston Churchill wrote all his own speeches- worked on them for hours then memorised them and delivered them without reading off a piece of paper!

 

I had  a long chat with my mother about all this tonight. She's pretty clued in. She is disgusted at these rioters and what they did to Winston Churchill's statue, and the graves of war veterans and burning out flag. She like myself, didn't care they threw the slave trader's statue in the river in Bristol.

 

Winston Churchill, like most humans had his good points and bad points but I don't think it's true to say he didn't care at all about poorer people. Like many people from wealthy backgrounds who never experienced poverty, they don't know what it's like but to give him credit he really did give Brits hope. He was determined to win the war, never ever let the Nazis win and cared about his country. So yes, he would never have let these idiots we have today running amok and throwing bicycles at police officers.

 

That's the difference between him and Boris- Boris is just not a strong leader, and dithers.

 

Winston had been to Germany in the 1930s and had seen what the Germans were up to and warned the British politicians what was on the cards, but they didn't pay much attention to him.

 

The prime minister   at the time was even thinking about doing a deal with Germany, but Winston was having none of that!

 

They were very difficult times and we needed someone who was not afraid to stand against Hitler, who reportedly was afraid of Winston Churchill. Could you imagine Hitler being sacred of Boris Johnson?  No!

 

I had bought some old stuff off a friend off Instagram ( including old magazines) and it arrived yesterday. One of them is Picture Post from 1940- and all about the war and has an article about Winston it! Very interesting magazine to have in my collection.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack