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15 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

You're right, there is no doubt they believe.

 

I wasn't Christened, or raised in any religion, and have done a little bit of exploring over the years, yet neglected to give Christianity any proper attention. I think it's because of a distrust of, and disgust in organised religion, and the Church's role throughout history. 

 

But I've seen how some things predicted in Revelations match things that are occuring today.

 

Hence, I've just purchased a KJV Study Bible, and have started reading it this week from page 1. You're never too old to learn.

 

 

 

 

There is a big difference between believe and know though.

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12 minutes ago, awake said:

 

No, i never said that at all. Religions are all about control, that's all

 

I'm thinking that's what organised religion (the Church) is about, but not internalised religion - except the self control of your own baser instincts maybe. I don't know if I've expressed that right,  but I just think it's about Go(o)d  V  (D)evil, and I'm wanting to explore a creator who personifies the former, and an adversary who personifies the latter. I do think ordinary people's natural instincts lean one way or the other, and I do believe that calling people who do horrible things mentally ill , as frequently happens, kind of excuses a willing choice they've made to indulge in evil actions for their personal gratification, which they often don't deserve to have excuses made for. No doubt there are grey areas though.

 

Anyhow, it's a vast & fascinating subject. 

 

Even a book on White Witchcraft I once read (where the tenant followed is to harm none, including not tampering with anyone else's free will, and focus is on the Goddess / female energies) Jesus was mentioned, and referred to as, "A righteous dude". 

 

So many people have so many different ideas on reality. Whether trying to investigate a lot of them is a mistake - just floundering around in a desperate search, or worthwhile I don't know.

 

I'm just feeling a pull toward God, and it's not fear based, even though the end might well be nigh, but from a desire to know. Perhaps it's because there's so much evil visible all around now, that it seems time to openly & emphatically pledge allegiance against it.

 

 

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6 hours ago, alexa said:

 

So you must believe in the survival of the fittest? 

 

It's about knowing relevant knowledge and using it practically.

Gatekeepers are there to test you. They have been created by the Creator and they work for him/IT. If you've got it, there is no problem in you progressing.

For example, someone start a conversation in argumentitive tone. You can either join in with the same tone of his/her voice by saying..."yeah you said bastard....yada yada yada"

Or you know that you don't want to lower your vibration so you keep it high, use NLP to calm the situation etc....and without fighting, the other loses energy because the opponent needs a fuel of anger from you otherwise he looks like an idiot shouting on his own....lol

 

Another example, someone offers you some heroin. If you are on a journey of being healthy, you have no problem thanking them but walk away easily.

But for some reason if you still have unresolved issues in your life and that may be too tempting to use and to seek escape.....

 

Bluffing of wealth is another thing. My teachers tells us to be humble.

Again if you become too egoistic and greedy which are the domain of satan, you fall.

I haven't explained fully why you need to be humble but that's for you to find out. :classic_tongue:

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3 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

I'm thinking that's what organised religion (the Church) is about, but not internalised religion - except the self control of your own baser instincts maybe. I don't know if I've expressed that right,  but I just think it's about Go(o)d  V  (D)evil, and I'm wanting to explore a creator who personifies the former, and an adversary who personifies the latter. I do think ordinary people's natural instincts lean one way or the other, and I do believe that calling people who do horrible things mentally ill , as frequently happens, kind of excuses a willing choice they've made to indulge in evil actions for their personal gratification, which they often don't deserve to have excuses made for. No doubt there are grey areas though.

 

Anyhow, it's a vast & fascinating subject. 

 

Even a book on White Witchcraft I once read (where the tenant followed is to harm none, including not tampering with anyone else's free will, and focus is on the Goddess / female energies) Jesus was mentioned, and referred to as, "A righteous dude". 

 

So many people have so many different ideas on reality. Whether trying to investigate a lot of them is a mistake - just floundering around in a desperate search, or worthwhile I don't know.

 

I'm just feeling a pull toward God, and it's not fear based, even though the end might well be nigh, but from a desire to know. Perhaps it's because there's so much evil visible all around now, that it seems time to openly & emphatically pledge allegiance against it.

 

 

 

While you are divided between good vs evil, you remain in 3D.

If you want to exit the Matrix, you need to up your game and becoming like the God.

Only such vibration can join the one e.g. likes attract likes.

That's why you all need to start practising mental alchemy.

If someone hits you....thank them. I know this may sound absurd to you but like my previous post, it's a test of your level.

If you knew how to manoeuvre, you wouldn't have come to a situation where someone hits you because you are vibrating at such frequency that such thing does not come. Again likes attract likes.

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The problem with many of the ideas presented here is this : in order to learn wisdom you have to encounter many things.  You have to engage in many things.  It is a long journey, wisdom is hard earned.  And therefore it is exceptionally valuable.


A carpenter learns to cut many joints, one by one, through trial and error, success and failure, in the end he has amassed greate skill.  He knows when to employ craft and planning, when the time is right for brutal force, he knows when he is strong or weak, he becomes formless ... his intelligence connects what is needed externally and internally and delivers the coup-de-gras spontaneously, whether that is hard or soft, fast or patient.


That is wisdom hard earned.


What then is the place for morality and rules?  Well there is a place, it is a basic grounding, it is a coarse understanding ... but at the bottom of the mountain you must start if you start at all.  Later you can become refined.


Organised religion?  Every church or priest is different, why paint with such a big brush ... isn't that a failure to engage ... to choose to discern.  Can you make it alone?  You fool yourself nobody has a cat in hell's chance of making it alone.  But you must choose your teacher path church and school.  And remember always they are just a local well running to a great aquifer set up ages past ... it is not their job to draw from the well.  After all they are the aquifer and they made the well ... can you not then do your part and draw carefully?
It is your job to create wisdom, you are wisdom itself or you are chaos itself, according to your history.


How shall you deal with aggression?  Is there a way?
First know what you are capable of ... if you are still influenced by the world then your options are narrow.  Perhaps it is the right time to let them have it - if you are strong - or if not walk.
But if you are not influenced by the world then you have no question of vulnerability ... then you must look at the aggressors and consider what is best for him and for Truth as a whole ... then you act.  But few are capable of such things.


A high vibration ... well yes, but it is easy to sit in a corner vibrating and you will not gain mastery of any faculties except one.  But this world is difficult and if you can lay one stone well it is better than a thousand badly, it's true.


Those who wish to exit this world by losing good and evil ... shall not go far.  The history of human spirituality is full of desperateness like that.  In fact whilst everyone is trying to leave and run ... the answer is the other way.  To enter.  Because mankind's problem is that he has not entered.  He is wishing to leave but he has not even landed.  Hence it is said that they are the Salt of the Earth, be like a child, and embrace the Earth and Heaven will Follow.
All very nice but again the truth is a little complex ... you need to expand upwards and downwards together, a little Heaven with a little Earth gets good results.  Too much of either is limited.


The flux of this world is not an accident you can't learn much by sunbathing, you need a few storms shocks and soakings to wake you up.  And those that travel will not be disappointed.  In the end they will kneel in gratitude.


Was this all bullshit?  You decide if it was.

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4 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I'm thinking that's what organised religion (the Church) is about, but not internalised religion

 

"The church" religion keeps people in a docile state whilst the evil people of the world run amuck with rules and regulations to keep the 99% at the lowest level, and has done so for just over 2000 years. Put 2 and 2 together and it came about from the roman empire and christianity at the same time....  damn politicians fed the world bullshit, forcibly, and here it still is

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4 hours ago, awake said:

 

"The church" religion keeps people in a docile state whilst the evil people of the world run amuck with rules and regulations to keep the 99% at the lowest level, and has done so for just over 2000 years. Put 2 and 2 together and it came about from the roman empire and christianity at the same time....  damn politicians fed the world bullshit, forcibly, and here it still is

 

Not only docile and stops church goers to question because they just listen to a pastor/clergy man....

It keeps people divided between good vs evil and never able to go beyond it. It's ironic.

Why don't people embrace all? Not saying here to encourage crime etc but when it happens....you need to look at the situation with higher 'eye'.

God doesn't give you an easy gift. He gives you a puzzle to resolve...when the last piece is put in place, you'll enjoy the whole picture.

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4 hours ago, rideforever said:

The problem with many of the ideas presented here is this : in order to learn wisdom you have to encounter many things.  You have to engage in many things.  It is a long journey, wisdom is hard earned.  And therefore it is exceptionally valuable.


A carpenter learns to cut many joints, one by one, through trial and error, success and failure, in the end he has amassed greate skill.  He knows when to employ craft and planning, when the time is right for brutal force, he knows when he is strong or weak, he becomes formless ... his intelligence connects what is needed externally and internally and delivers the coup-de-gras spontaneously, whether that is hard or soft, fast or patient.


That is wisdom hard earned.


What then is the place for morality and rules?  Well there is a place, it is a basic grounding, it is a coarse understanding ... but at the bottom of the mountain you must start if you start at all.  Later you can become refined.


Organised religion?  Every church or priest is different, why paint with such a big brush ... isn't that a failure to engage ... to choose to discern.  Can you make it alone?  You fool yourself nobody has a cat in hell's chance of making it alone.  But you must choose your teacher path church and school.  And remember always they are just a local well running to a great aquifer set up ages past ... it is not their job to draw from the well.  After all they are the aquifer and they made the well ... can you not then do your part and draw carefully?
It is your job to create wisdom, you are wisdom itself or you are chaos itself, according to your history.


How shall you deal with aggression?  Is there a way?
First know what you are capable of ... if you are still influenced by the world then your options are narrow.  Perhaps it is the right time to let them have it - if you are strong - or if not walk.
But if you are not influenced by the world then you have no question of vulnerability ... then you must look at the aggressors and consider what is best for him and for Truth as a whole ... then you act.  But few are capable of such things.


A high vibration ... well yes, but it is easy to sit in a corner vibrating and you will not gain mastery of any faculties except one.  But this world is difficult and if you can lay one stone well it is better than a thousand badly, it's true.


Those who wish to exit this world by losing good and evil ... shall not go far.  The history of human spirituality is full of desperateness like that.  In fact whilst everyone is trying to leave and run ... the answer is the other way.  To enter.  Because mankind's problem is that he has not entered.  He is wishing to leave but he has not even landed.  Hence it is said that they are the Salt of the Earth, be like a child, and embrace the Earth and Heaven will Follow.
All very nice but again the truth is a little complex ... you need to expand upwards and downwards together, a little Heaven with a little Earth gets good results.  Too much of either is limited.


The flux of this world is not an accident you can't learn much by sunbathing, you need a few storms shocks and soakings to wake you up.  And those that travel will not be disappointed.  In the end they will kneel in gratitude.


Was this all bullshit?  You decide if it was.

 

The thing is though, you don't need to experience every single thing on earth to gain wisdom.

It coud be one experience that will open the flood gate to understand what this Universe is about.

Also, once you reach a certain level, I don't mean you'll be problem free but when you have one you just question and wisdom will drop in your head.

This information is so insightful and appropriate for your subject.

I gather that to be able to function at that level, one needs to have got rid of some plaque so that information can flow. The plaque I talk about is like programming of church good vs evil.

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On 5/27/2020 at 3:48 PM, KingKitty said:

If the Devil made an offer on your soul, that would prove that God is real, as well as most of the Bible. Therefore, one would be a fool to make such a deal.

 

As a guitar player, I get asked a lot...as do my fiddle playin' friends.

 

I'll second that about the Bible reflecting aspects of this current global issue. It is very clear the "mark of the beast" could happen in my lifetime. Hell, before my next birthday, the way things are going now.

 

God and my cat, JoJo are all I trust, anymore.

 

I trust God (and my cats) also, that which can be accessed through our own intuition and by searching within ourselves.  That's where our true connection to God resides, not in some book  It's religions that I do not trust.

 

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2 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

 

I trust God (and my cats) also, that which can be accessed through our own intuition and by searching within ourselves.  That's where our true connection to God resides, not in some book  It's religions that I do not trust.

 

Well said. I agree about the "gut feeling", one's intuition. When I learned to actually listen to that "voice", I started to realize much the same.

 

As for the Bible, again I have a similar belief. It was written by man. Religions are created by man. I believe there are aspects of the Bible that have some historical merit, as well as some good moral lessons.

 

My own morals any many beliefs are certainly Christian based. I've explored other ideas and philosophies over the years. I like a lot of the teachings of Lao Tzu's (Way of Life). A lot of it is very logical, to my thinking.

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@oz93666

might be interested in this. The article mentions of alien bloodlines.

 

social.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5661-lucifer/&do=findComment&comment=122822

 

Overall, I agree many points yet there are times I feel like I have one foot in the human camp and Lucifer camp at the same time.

I have looked this life like a play, a game as well as thinking that humans won't learn unless there are negative events such as illness, hardships etc


I've picked up bits and pieces which would open more can of worms. :classic_unsure:

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You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seek only to Serve yourself.

 

It seems that time for exit is anytime now. We still have time to practise as Positive Beings. How to is right at the bottom of the article.


- Hidden-Hands (HH) tells us that in order to positively ascend, human beings must be at least 51% positive, meaning that a little over half the time their thoughts, words and actions need to be in the service of others. By this, Bill Gates qualify as ascending to the realm where Golden age exists, because he is serving others whether you agree or not....hold your horses and read on the article,

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We are Light, and we are Love. It is a very hard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we do it because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately.

In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life.

 

If they were aware of this Truth, there is a slight risk that they would not have done their jobs properly

 


The illuminati play their bad guy role knowing it's all for love and we play the goodies by spreading info to wake up people.

In essence, both sides are doing it to wake up people....

If you knew this was the truth...would you have played your part so passionately? Or would you have told the masses about the structure of the game instead? Totally different approach.
 

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You are here to remember the Infinite Creator. To know your Creator within you, and to offer your Service to him and others, of your own Free Will choice to Serve.
When you remember who you are, and you know it, deep within the Core of your Being, you will know and recognize your 'invisible' connection to All that Is...

 

 

Remember who you are... have you? What does it take you to KNOW that the Infinite Creator is with you?

 

Surely to access god like power? well have you? I think it's no good by saying I believe this to be true. No....You gotta do it and manifest miraculously...like Jesus. :classic_tongue:
 

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    Q: "How do you choose a Service to others path?"

 


Reply to the above question, having said "it's all for love that we create negativity....." HH gives completely opposite answer.
Surely, giving hard time to wake up the normie, you wouldn't help an old lady...
If you love humanity, for the humanity sake, you abuse....and as long as your act is based on love...oh OK, I get....


Lastly, why haven't we discussed about Svali?


So basically there is Lucifer camp and Yaweh camp.

Lucifer group being from Venus, alien origin and Yaweh group being the human origin who is trying to dominate the world; it seems that there is a split of so called illuminati vs elites respectively.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, chocomel said:

@oz93666

might be interested in this. The article mentions of alien bloodlines.

 

IMHO a terrible mish mash of garbage written by an unknown faceless person ...Is everything in the article wrong? ...no it couldn't be ....

 

There are thousands of half wits out there all with their own version of the truth, if you fill your head with it all , you'd go crazy and get nowhere ....

 

So select your sources wisely .. you want to see him on video . ...getwisdom.com 

 

Let's take corona as an example ... this is a terrible maze to get through  ... even leading thinkers in the field with decades of experience disagree  ....Alex Jones believes there is a virus .... David Icke doesn't .... If these two full timers disagree how can we hope to get to the truth ???

 

Here's the method I adopt ....I take one expert ....David Icke ... I just focus on him , what he's saying ...I understand his view on the matter inside out ... for the moment , I take it on as my belief and I test it , look for holes , flaws , try to prove it wrong ...and  build on that .  

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