A LETTER TO GARETH ICKE

[Finder]

Using Ink's swearing to post it. Maybe it will work. Holy crap, it did!

Edited May 24, 2020 by Finder

[Finder]

All the picked images of buses and those of trains

Have convinced the cloudflare I am a human......Again.

 

My Best Wishes to the Webmaster

 

Hi Gareth, @GarethIcke

 

Attention required ...One more step...

Please complete the unanswered interaction request to keep the forum members from leaving the forum for good.

 

I just wanted to express the voices of many other members of the forum or connect them all in one letter. We do realise the recent hacking of the forum has brought you, David, the mods and the webmaster more troubles than was expected. We do realise that you have a number of issues, conundrums and problems you'd rather not share and that you have to deal with right away and probably solve some of them simultaneously. We also realise that everyone on the management side of the forum is beyond busy and perhaps overwhelmed with new suddenly arising and totally unforeseen issues on a daily basis, including those that are not directly related to the site and forum.

 

Now, it would make a lot of sense for you too to realise what's happening on our side of the forum and site. You see, many members of the forum are in a way like your extended family, whether you like it or not is another thing, but it is a fact. And this extended family is currently falling apart or about to fall apart as to them it looks and feels like you, with the current lack of feedback and strange vacuum created, are severing the meaningful connection with them. Granted, they are all adults and have their own independant from DIF & site lives, and they will go on just fine without this forum and site, eventually. However that's not how your (=DI+site management) relationship with the forumites should end (or continue if this is still a realistic option).

 

In some idiotic way, your sporadic 1-2 line updates are beginning to look like the political updates regarding the possible end of the lockdown: "we are doing great, wait some more time, we are considering new better options to be implemented", while in reality, nobody really knows what the hell is REALLY going on and when the damn thing (the ongoing problem) is going to be replaced with something functional and delightful. I am not asking you to tell us just anything or babysit the used to be functional forum of lost in madness and sadness members. Nor am I asking you to give us a pack of half-truths-sort-of-updates that will pacify or uplift the mood of the confused and distraughted forum members and site visitors. I think it's clear without any explanation that if you do it, many of us will spot the inginuety and walk away. Perhaps some have done it already. What I am asking you about is, to give us some realistic Ideas and actual facts as to what is REALLY happening, and when, again realistically speaking, 1) the new forum will be available, 2) will the old forum be fully restored, 3) will the recently hacked forum be restored as well 4) is everything is actually lost and even though it exists somewhere in bits and pieces noone knows whether it will be available and if it will, then when?

 

You see, the previous (old+ new recently hacked) forum was unique in many ways. What we have now in its place is just pathetic. It is, basically, sth that you can find elsewhere on the net: random uninteresting social gathering of lost and bored people who have less and less to say. Here the long term and relatively recent members no longer feel like contributing sth meaningful as they lost any chance and hope to access their and other members previous contribution and creation, plus they suspect that what they may contribute now will be lost too, so what's the point. I am nforming you about the current state of affairs on our side because you don't seem to take either be aware of it or you don't take them into account for whatever reason. At least this is the collective feeling so far.

 

To me it feels like the forum spirit has become a wandering discarnate and confused soul, with it's two recent physical bodies of expression distroyed and now the spirit that used to animate and express itself through those two bodies (old & new forums) is lost in thought between dimensions while trying to decide whether to depart from this place completely or wait for the promised new body that allows access to the previous akashic records. And the problem is, that new promised body may never arrive or it will arrive when it won't matter any more. Which makes the discarnate forum spirit gravitate towards the former option.

 

I don't care who will visit the forum chat and/or reply this letter, you or David or Jaymie or all of you together (a good idea), but someone had better come out and clarify things for us and answer the above questions the proper way. Another "mirage in the desert" 2-3 liner will not do the trick any more, trust me, you are past this option. Also, realise that many of us are not on social media for the reasons that are no mystery to you. So, the fakebook and twit-book chat is out of the question, just so you know. You are the creator of DI site and forum, and the participants of this forum, including the readers only, are a part of your creation that you are about to lose too. And that would be beyond the ridiculous. I hope you see what I do and will take into account what must be considered.

 

Every single day, most members are repeatedly encountering the following tech issues multiple times during their forum visiting hours:

 

1. Loss of the typed comment after they hit submit button.

2. Being blocked after they attempt to react to a comment, post a comment, start a topic or just breathe (kidding about the last one).

3. Being blocked when trying to access DI.com (infamous pages 502 & 1020)

4. Periodic disappearance of some sections of DI main site.

5. Being blocked when they are idle on the forum for a few mins, relogging is a pain you know where.

6. Being logged out and blocked for no reason at all.

7. The mandatory captcha page is a work of devil that many have to deal with multiple times during the "site lockdown

& stop and search policy". We get that it's necessary for now, but we are getting mad with this and the damn measure better be replaced with

sth less abusive and aggressive.

 

You see, there is a technical part of the issue which needs to be fixed, but there is also a live, human part of the same issue, which mustn't be lost (or dismissed).

 

That would be it for now.

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Finder

[Dagmar Gross]

I have tried posting a new subject and it simply won't upload my image again. This time it was only small and a text, but nothing.

 

Before I tried posting that, my previous unsuccessful posting content came up again. I think I am blocked from posting a new subject. I can get things posted in a reply, image and all, but not as a new subject. So annoying!

 

I have just tried posting here, but the image problem came up again too! It said "-200". I hope that helps! It's as if they've got me blacklisted!

Edited May 24, 2020 by Dagmar Gross
Added explanation of why I can't get an image uploaded today either.

[Dagmar Gross]

1 minute ago, Dagmar Gross said:

I have tried posting a new subject and it simply won't upload my image again. This time it was only small and a text, but nothing.

 

Before I tried posting that, my previous unsuccessful posting content came up again. I think I am blocked from posting a new subject. I can get things posted in a reply, image and all, but not as a new subject. So annoying!

[ally_uk]

Wait they don't have a backup? Surely that is the first thing you would.implement.... Somebody call I.T we need some technicians!

[Grumpy Owl]

In my opinion, the forum is itself suffering from its own form of 'coronavirus panic'.

 

Yes, the forum was hacked and attacked, but this was down to this 'Adderall Abuse' fella (or an accomplice) who somehow got hold of Jaymie's login credentials and was able to access the forum with full admin rights.

 

I don't know how they managed this, and there are a number of possible scenarios how this could have been achieved.

 

Also yes, the forum and the main DavidIcke.com website did sustain brute force DDOS attacks, so I can understand why measures have been put in place.

 

But as with the 'coronavirus scam', the assumption has been made that "everyone's a hacker" (like with the UK Government's "act like you've got it" message).

 

The best way to stick two fingers up to these ultra-Zionist Mossad agents, would have been to have just restored the forum using a previous system/database backup, and then carried on as before, albeit with some security tweaks.

 

As Finder points out, many long-standing members have been left disappointed that all previous content is seemingly 'gone', and it is challenging to contribute new content, due to these security measures that have been put in place.

 

And new members, who may be keen to join in with discussions here, are unable to do so, due to new member registrations being blocked.

 

So we find ourselves once again where due to the malicious actions of a very tiny minority, the majority are having to suffer.

 

I really do hope that this can all be resolved very soon, otherwise existing and prospective members will start looking elsewhere.

 

 

[Armesis]

I dont mind at all. The team is very busy now, and could use some space so they can handle this. Dont get too needy guys. 

[Nobby Noboddy]

1 hour ago, Armesis said:

I dont mind at all. The team is very busy now, and could use some space so they can handle this. Dont get too needy guys. 

 

I agree. The trolls are back to have fun with though so it's not all bad. People are still posting news and updates.

 

I only sign in to the forum from one device but I look at it on others from time to time. Maybe people who use multiple devices are having more problems?

 

I do get the anti-DDOS check and had one banned message and one lost post. But then I don't post hundreds of times a day like some so no problem really.

 

I think some people just got scared off by it. 

 

Are there any figures on numbers before and after?

[Finder]

16 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

In my opinion, the forum is itself suffering from its own form of 'coronavirus panic'.

 

Yes, the forum was hacked and attacked, but this was down to this 'Adderall Abuse' fella (or an accomplice) who somehow got hold of Jaymie's login credentials and was able to access the forum with full admin rights.

 

I don't know how they managed this, and there are a number of possible scenarios how this could have been achieved.

 

Also yes, the forum and the main DavidIcke.com website did sustain brute force DDOS attacks, so I can understand why measures have been put in place.

 

But as with the 'coronavirus scam', the assumption has been made that "everyone's a hacker" (like with the UK Government's "act like you've got it" message).

 

The best way to stick two fingers up to these ultra-Zionist Mossad agents, would have been to have just restored the forum using a previous system/database backup, and then carried on as before, albeit with some security tweaks.

 

As Finder points out, many long-standing members have been left disappointed that all previous content is seemingly 'gone', and it is challenging to contribute new content, due to these security measures that have been put in place.

 

And new members, who may be keen to join in with discussions here, are unable to do so, due to new member registrations being blocked.

 

So we find ourselves once again where due to the malicious actions of a very tiny minority, the majority are having to suffer.

 

I really do hope that this can all be resolved very soon, otherwise existing and prospective members will start looking elsewhere.

 

 

 

Exactly my point. All of it. Thanks.

[Finder]

16 hours ago, Armesis said:

I dont mind at all. The team is very busy now, and could use some space so they can handle this. Dont get too needy guys. 

 

Said by someone who hasn't contributed anything significant into the forum yet and who has nothing much, if at all, to lose or regret as a result. No offense, but for now I can't take your reply seriously. When you contribute something original, something meaningful, something of value and creativity and make meaningful connection with others here, then I'll consider your input on this specific matter. It's not about neediness. At all. 

[oz93666]

I think on the whole that letter is very good ...perhaps a little long ...

 

We all do appreciate the great and tireless work the Icke family put in , it cannot be easy , and I do hope they realize any feedback we offer is only with the aim of making things better.

 

The main peeve I have is the loss of information ... years of work ... I'm sure those who oppose us have this as their main aim to regularly erase everything ...

 

I see the main priority is to stop this happening again , have backup ...

[labrats]

So there's no backup? I would have thought the provider themselves would have a snapshot "as of" as part of their procedure. Total gratitude for providing the forum itself and the work that goes into it off course.

 

Just curious as to what happens if this whole platform is pulled completely? Regroup...

Edited May 25, 2020 by labrats

[MrA]

I joined this forum right at the start 

 

Also had an active account on the previous version for a few years 

 

So far Ive watched as Duke Nukem ( jump rogue ) got on the moderation team and began nuking entire threads and giving bans out like confetti at a wedding 

 

That was somewhat resolved by user pressure 

 

Now the hack

 

And users again asking themselves what can the management do

 

I suggest that if we as users are concerned about the loss of our posts then we should be backing them up ourselves and perhaps have an informal manner of creating publicly available access to that data 

 

I would also suggest it might be worthwhile to think about branching out and creating free to visit websites that are interesting and informative to look at 

 

Icke does not deserve to be shut out from the global discussion taking place and neither do jack or jill who want to join in and contribute their current understanding 

 

So with that said I think its going to be down to people who contribute to back up their work and hit save often etc 

 

Doing any of the above doesnt negate David Ickes ability to connect with people across the world it would only increase really 

 

 

[yass]

Well said MrA.

[Tetragrammaton]

It could be the case that David Icke is a captive audience to a third party.

 

Keep in mind this is a template forum that was designed by this company; https://invisioncommunity.com/

 

Invision Community are the ones who created the template for this forum. This hack is very very bad business for them. It shows their product is weak and they dont provide support or assistance to their customer in these types of attack.

 

Also it could be the case that the hack might be an inside job. the hacker knew exactly where to go. So an employee at Invision Community could have done this hack as a means of blackmailing their employer for more money or ransom. Like i said not good for their business.

 

Whats troubling for me is that the old forum archives have vanished into thin air. there was incredibly important reference material on there that was important to everyone. Now its gone. There were some long term threads on there almost a decade old with amazing tactical info. Now its all gone.

 

Also to whoever commissoned the hack; you didnt think it through. At one point this forum was a global intelligence resource that had a better understanding of whats going on in the world, than anyone else. You have opened a Pandoras box that isnt going to be closed now. Do you think a childish computer hack is going to stop whats coming?! 

 

Your going to need a mop for that mess deep state.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Tetragrammaton

[GarethIcke]

I have just seen this. 

 

The one or two line updates are such, because I thought I had encompassed everything in there. 

 

The old forum is based on a server that we're trying to gain access to. It's complicated but once we get everything back, that forum will go live again. It wasn't taken down by ourselves, and it wasn't taken down by a hack. It was just a server issue that hopefully will be resolved soon. We have a new webmaster that is learning our system on the job basically. 

 

We had a former webmaster that in the name of security (we were and are being attacked constantly) built a system that was kind of crazy, but difficult to break. The new webmaster described it as being like a car that when you open the door, the engine turns on. In other words, it's a bit of a head scratcher. 

 

That's why there have been issues on davidicke.com home page etc. Every fix lead to another issue. The new website, new forum and new shop will be launched on June 1st. That was always the plan but we would have liked more testing. The switchover has taken a bit of a battering time wise because of these attacks. 

 

The ddos attacks on ickonic, and davidicke.com have amounted to 10s of 1000s of pounds of costs on their part. The 'bored hacker in his bedroom' image that was put forward, was clearly nonsense. Unless said hacker was willing to spend 10s of 1000s of pounds for a $300 reward. 

 

As I said before, we are a small team and davidicke.com takes priority. But the new forum will go up soon, everything will be migrated across and the set up will be infinitely better than the current one. 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the questions asserted in the OP's letter, nor all of its content, I would like to point out that I, for one, was not consulted. So, with the letter purporting to come from "many members of the forum" with the frequent use of the word "we", I was not one of those. I was not aware that a forum spokesperson had been appointed. Even if one has, I would still prefer to post my own views as an individual.

[kj35]

7 hours ago, MrA said:

I joined this forum right at the start 

 

Also had an active account on the previous version for a few years 

 

So far Ive watched as Duke Nukem ( jump rogue ) got on the moderation team and began nuking entire threads and giving bans out like confetti at a wedding 

 

That was somewhat resolved by user pressure 

 

Now the hack

 

And users again asking themselves what can the management do

 

I suggest that if we as users are concerned about the loss of our posts then we should be backing them up ourselves and perhaps have an informal manner of creating publicly available access to that data 

 

I would also suggest it might be worthwhile to think about branching out and creating free to visit websites that are interesting and informative to look at 

 

Icke does not deserve to be shut out from the global discussion taking place and neither do jack or jill who want to join in and contribute their current understanding 

 

So with that said I think its going to be down to people who contribute to back up their work and hit save often etc 

 

Doing any of the above doesnt negate David Ickes ability to connect with people across the world it would only increase really 

 

 

Hi. How do we back up just put own threads ? Perhaps some of the clearly very good tech users could start a tech thread. Sharing protected browsers, emails security tips saving our own data etc. It would really help .

[Grumpy Owl]

5 hours ago, kj35 said:

Hi. How do we back up just put own threads ? Perhaps some of the clearly very good tech users could start a tech thread. Sharing protected browsers, emails security tips saving our own data etc. It would really help .

 

I've given some suggestions for regular forum contributors in another topic here, and they echo some comments Mr A has also made.

 

To save taking over this topic, perhaps I'll offer them in a new one.

[Stride]

I must admit I feel alienated too the temporary solution is a pain in the ass.

[piripiriman]

9 hours ago, GarethIcke said:

The ddos attacks on ickonic, and davidicke.com have amounted to 10s of 1000s of pounds of costs on their part.
 

How so?

[jonesthepost]

For gods sake!  David and family have kindly made a forum for people with an interest in David’s work since way back.

 

They didn’t have to do this; there are many people who put the word out who don’t have forums.

 

I have no idea of the ins and outs of forums but I’m sure it involves expense and time; a lot of both.

 

Personally, I’m just grateful we have it, ups and downs et al.

 

I really feel like saying a lot more, but having a go at people is a waste of time and energy; so I’ll just say, Thanks Ickes, much appreciated!

 

[KingPin]

I do not think this letter is appropriate. Everyone one here feels the same regarding the loss of years of information. But building up the forum again takes some time. And the admins are working on it. So let them do their work and until its finished ... just relax.

 

Building up pressure and being demanding is not helpful.

[Finder]

On 5/25/2020 at 8:52 AM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the questions asserted in the OP's letter, nor all of its content, I would like to point out that I, for one, was not consulted. So, with the letter purporting to come from "many members of the forum" with the frequent use of the word "we", I was not one of those. I was not aware that a forum spokesperson had been appointed. Even if one has, I would still prefer to post my own views as an individual.

 

1. I did not say that I was speaking on behalf of everyone, i.e. ALL forum members. I said I was expressing the voices of MANY other members here. There is a difference between ALL and MANY, don't you think? Here's the quote:

On 5/24/2020 at 5:41 PM, Finder said:

I just wanted to express the voices of many other members of the forum

 

2. Please, elaborate how is my right and possibility to express what has been asked and expressed here and there across different forum threads become a concern of yours or an offense to you? In which way? I notice the trends and many other things. Nothing was in your way to write the same or similar letter, and if you did, I would probably thank you for that. But many just lamented and complained. I took the right action in this circumstance, you didn't. Now you feel like sth wrong was done to you and I was supposed to, before I take this action, to go through forum red tape or sorts, a voting routine and a never established, openly defined and posted for everyone protocol whose purpose is to grant an official approval to deliver some info to the forum management? Ffs.....

 

You say:

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Even if one has, I would still prefer to post my own views as an individual.

 

3. So, go ahead and post your own views on the matter as an individual. Will you? Or you just decided to refrain from doing so? What exactly has stopped you from expressing your own views on the matter over the last couple of weeks? Or you just feel safer and more comfortable to judge me or someone like me for what you yourself have failed to do? 

 

I am yet to see bright, independent, original or any individuality expressed by you. So far, you have only posted reactions, not independent, interesting, creative and engaging thinking. Good luck with that but I am neither impressed nor inspired by what came out from your side. 

[Finder]

On 5/25/2020 at 8:04 PM, KingPin said:

I do not think this letter is appropriate. Everyone one here feels the same regarding the loss of years of information. But building up the forum again takes some time. And the admins are working on it. So let them do their work and until its finished ... just relax.

 

Building up pressure and being demanding is not helpful.

 

The very purpose of the letter was to eliminate the already existing and still building up pressure. The purpose of the letter was to bring the much needed connection and interaction between the forum management and the forum members. What exactly is not appropriate with that? And in which way it is harmful?