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On 7/3/2021 at 10:22 PM, Weedo said:

Not for people accused of adultery, who now needed 4 witnesses to be accused. (that's basically impossible, in other words) 

 

The biggest trap people fall into, is that they don't differentiate between some douche bag piece of shit mofos who might call themselves Muslim, and the religion of Islam. 

 

A few weeks ago I saw pictures of a woman in Afganistan being publicly flogged for texting a man.

 

They make them dress with bags over their heads and deny them even an education!

 

How do reconcile this with your statements on Islam being a religion of peace with fair treatment for all?

 

What about the homosexuals being thrown to their death off rooftrops by Isis for being born that way?

 

What about the chapter on warfare in the Koran where it states something along the lines of convert everybody or put them to death unless they pay a tax and take whoever is left as slaves.

 

I don't know man, you got a very different understanding to my reading of the Koran.

 

I know scripture gets twisted by fanatics but that Islam gives rise to some serious twisting to justify oppression of women and barbaric acts of cruelty on anyone seen as transgressing the law.

 

Islam? No thanks, seriously misguided religion. (Of course it has its good people - moderates who like some Christians ignore the more extreme statements in their own Holy book)

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On 10/25/2021 at 10:20 PM, pi3141 said:

 

A few weeks ago I saw pictures of a woman in Afganistan being publicly flogged for texting a man.

 

They make them dress with bags over their heads and deny them even an education!

 

How do reconcile this with your statements on Islam being a religion of peace with fair treatment for all?

 

What about the homosexuals being thrown to their death off rooftrops by Isis for being born that way?

 

What about the chapter on warfare in the Koran where it states something along the lines of convert everybody or put them to death unless they pay a tax and take whoever is left as slaves.

 

I don't know man, you got a very different understanding to my reading of the Koran.

 

I know scripture gets twisted by fanatics but that Islam gives rise to some serious twisting to justify oppression of women and barbaric acts of cruelty on anyone seen as transgressing the law.

 

Islam? No thanks, seriously misguided religion. (Of course it has its good people - moderates who like some Christians ignore the more extreme statements in their own Holy book)

 

You are using examples of people who are exactly as I described above. They have nothing to do with Islam, and don't know their own religion. It is not religion that gives rise to twisted people, but it is people themselves who are twisted, and will use whatever they have at their disposal to enact their twisted characters. And nothing is more twisted than spreading lies about God and the way of the their prophets. 

 

Your interpretation of the Quran is also twisted in my opinion, which is no surprise, as most scholars are twisted. What you understand from the Quran is not from the direct Arabic code, but from secondary or tertiary interpretations and false translations. If you want to I am willing to go through any doubt you have and every single verse that you see as misguided. I can explain to you via clear proofs for you to see, what the contextual words and sentences really mean. My interpretations are not perfect, but compared to mainstream Islam ignorance, it is a bit closer to perfection I hope.

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23 hours ago, Weedo said:

You are using examples of people who are exactly as I described above. They have nothing to do with Islam, and don't know their own religion. It is not religion that gives rise to twisted people, but it is people themselves who are twisted, and will use whatever they have at their disposal to enact their twisted characters. And nothing is more twisted than spreading lies about God and the way of the their prophets. 

 

Yes I think we have common ground here

 

 

23 hours ago, Weedo said:

Your interpretation of the Quran is also twisted in my opinion, which is no surprise, as most scholars are twisted. What you understand from the Quran is not from the direct Arabic code, but from secondary or tertiary interpretations and false translations. If you want to I am willing to go through any doubt you have and every single verse that you see as misguided. I can explain to you via clear proofs for you to see, what the contextual words and sentences really mean. My interpretations are not perfect, but compared to mainstream Islam ignorance, it is a bit closer to perfection I hope.

 

Ok, well its been 20 years since I read the Quran but here's a couple of verses that disturb me - 

 

Surah 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

 

In other translations it uses the word 'Beat' to beat your wife.

 

First off is this an actually accurate translation?

 

Secondly, do you think God really advocates physical violence against one of his own creation? Would you beat your wife? Would you beat your children? I would never smack my children let alone beat or strike my wife for disobeying me or refusing to wear a Hijab etc 

 

Do you really think the all loving creator thinks its ok to beat or even strike another one of his creations?

 

Do you really believe men are in charge of women?

 


Surah 24:33
And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

 

Is this a true translation?

 

So, God really gave advice on Pimping your slaves? 

 

Do you think God condones Slavery, do you think God condones prostitution? What if the slave in question is not a believer, does she have the same rights as a believer - that a non believer slave also should not be compelled?

 

Is it ok to have prostitutes as long as you don't force them, is that the deal?

 

Finally there is the chapter (Surah) on Spoils of War and Booty. Do you really think God would give advice on how some of his creations can wage war on his other creations? Do you think God condones war? Because according to the correct interpretations of Jesus' teachings, God doesn't condone or encourage or want war for his creations.

 

I'll pre-empt your answers a little bit as I have similar discussions before - please don't tell me you have to think of the time when the Koran was written - I can take that argument apart - God is not fashionable, he (it) does not roll with the times. Slavery is wrong, war is wrong and not in line with Jesus' teachings yet its there in the Koran, Holy War and Jihad as well as what to do with the spoils or booty of war.

 

Yes I know there are verses in the Bible about slavery but I am highly suspicious of them, I would not be surprised if Rome did not insert words into Jesus' mouth for their own gain, indeed it seems they forced Christianity on the world for their own gain so editing or inserting a few verses here and there to support the political narrative wouldn't be beyond them.

 

Finally, as I know its in the Koran, do you believe in the doctrine of Hell? With Satan presiding over his own 'realm' able to trap God's creations and subject them to torment for eternity for transgressions?

 

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On 11/1/2021 at 10:50 AM, pi3141 said:

 

Yes I think we have common ground here

 

 

 

Ok, well its been 20 years since I read the Quran but here's a couple of verses that disturb me - 

 

Surah 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

 

In other translations it uses the word 'Beat' to beat your wife.

 

First off is this an actually accurate translation?

 

Secondly, do you think God really advocates physical violence against one of his own creation? Would you beat your wife? Would you beat your children? I would never smack my children let alone beat or strike my wife for disobeying me or refusing to wear a Hijab etc 

 

Do you really think the all loving creator thinks its ok to beat or even strike another one of his creations?

 

Do you really believe men are in charge of women?

 


Surah 24:33
And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

 

Is this a true translation?

 

So, God really gave advice on Pimping your slaves? 

 

Do you think God condones Slavery, do you think God condones prostitution? What if the slave in question is not a believer, does she have the same rights as a believer - that a non believer slave also should not be compelled?

 

Is it ok to have prostitutes as long as you don't force them, is that the deal?

 

Finally there is the chapter (Surah) on Spoils of War and Booty. Do you really think God would give advice on how some of his creations can wage war on his other creations? Do you think God condones war? Because according to the correct interpretations of Jesus' teachings, God doesn't condone or encourage or want war for his creations.

 

I'll pre-empt your answers a little bit as I have similar discussions before - please don't tell me you have to think of the time when the Koran was written - I can take that argument apart - God is not fashionable, he (it) does not roll with the times. Slavery is wrong, war is wrong and not in line with Jesus' teachings yet its there in the Koran, Holy War and Jihad as well as what to do with the spoils or booty of war.

 

Yes I know there are verses in the Bible about slavery but I am highly suspicious of them, I would not be surprised if Rome did not insert words into Jesus' mouth for their own gain, indeed it seems they forced Christianity on the world for their own gain so editing or inserting a few verses here and there to support the political narrative wouldn't be beyond them.

 

Finally, as I know its in the Koran, do you believe in the doctrine of Hell? With Satan presiding over his own 'realm' able to trap God's creations and subject them to torment for eternity for transgressions?

 

Hi, thank you for your kind response,

 

The way things work in Islam is that we have primarily the Quran as an unparalleled source of guidance, and then also a huge body of prophetic narrations that are much more spread out. So when it comes to the Quran, it is in Arabic, and the classical Arabic of today is based on the Quranic Arabic. With this in mind Arabic is probably the most complex and deep language grammatically in the world, in a similar league as Chinese. At the same time it is also the simplest. The only way that I can prove anything to anybody is to return to the source code and teach you basic Arabic, as well as the basic tools to discern yourself independently. Don't believe me or anybody blindly on this. 
 

CRASH COURSE IN ARABIC:

 

Most arabic words are based on 3-letter words. Even if the variations of these letters have different meanings, in the root meaning they are the same. So to really prove to you anything, I must first bring you these roots, and prove to you its meaning by comparing it to other uses, especially in the Quran. The Quran is the highest authority in the Arabic language today, so if something can be proved though the Quran linguistically, then you win! No matter what any Arab speaking scholar says. Quran is first. 


END OF CRASH COURSE.

 

So in todays world we have tools that nobody before us had. Now somebody like you can prove all scholars on earth wrong. Not only do you have access to Quran search engines, but even to a huge body of prophetic narrations. 

 

EXAMPLE OF PROPHETIC NARRATION MISCONCEPTION BY MOST MUSLIMS:

 

So now somebody like you who is a total layman and doesn't know Arabic, can simply google "Prophet Mohamed publicly ordering veil". And you will find that there is literally not a single history narration - false or not false - saying that the Prophet actually did that. You can read discussions on forums where people like me proved everybody wrong, by challenging, and you can see how far their discussions go. 

 

BACK TO THE QURAN:

 

There are several websites that have the option of pugging in the 3-letter root words, and they will list to you all instances in the Quran when this word happens. By the way, the same can be done in the hebrew bible. So here is the website that I use personally, and will use in this post to prove my points:

 

https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=fty

 

The Arabic alphabet is almost identical to the latin one, so it is very easy for somebody like you to memorize them and be able to decipher Arabic with ease.

 

EXAMPLE #1: The supposed wife-beater verse.

 

You see, the word that is translated as 'beating' is dh-r-b .. or ض ر ب

 

Here is this word as it is used in different contexts in the Quran:

 

https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb

 

Is it unanimous in meaning? not at all. Just like in english, the word is used among others for "hitting" the road, or "striking" and example. Not only that, but in today's Arabic the use of this word is also for workers for instance 'striking' in order to protest their working conditions. One can interpret it in many ways, and I will agree with you that most self-proclaimed Muslims will interpret it as physical hitting, but me and many other Muslims simply don't do that. We take things symbolically or metaphorically sometimes. There are various narrations going around concerning the prophet Mohamed supposedly interpreting this verse. I don't believe all of them, but the most famous one is that a man should never hit his wife with more than a tiny dental stick, which is impossible to cause any real pain or damage. At the same time there are many narrations talking about the prophet saying that he wonders about the men who beat their wives, when it is them who are deserving a beating. I won't start quoting sources for these narrations now, but if you are interested, please let me know. These are all available online with a quick search. 


There are compilations showing the merciful aspects of Islam gender relations, and here are some examples, in case you want to scroll through and check out the pro Islam side. By the way, I might agree with the article I post, but that does not mean I agree with everything in that website, or that I represent these websites:

 

https://www.al-islam.org/a-divine-perspective-on-rights-a-commentary-of-imam-sajjads-treatise-of-rights/right-n-20-right-wife

 

 

 

EXAMPLE # 2: The supposed slave verse that orders us not to prostitute them

 

First of all, again let me get back to the root of the word that is translated as 'slave' or 'maid' by most people. The word is F-T-I .. or ف ت ي , and it is pronounced as Fata , with the 'I' spoken as an 'A' in this case.

 

Anyway, this word is again not used in a unanimous way in the quran, and you can see it here for yourself, even when looking at the very imperfect interpretations. By the way, if you want to read the total verse, you can simply open a quran search engine and find it ..

 

https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=fty

 

In Arabic, the word fata is actually 'youth'. Maybe people traditionally used it to refer to their house keepers, who were usually in the status of a 'slave', but technically it can be used in a broader sense. 

 

This is one point, but yes slavery does exist in the Abrahamic religions, and Prophet Joseph was even sold into slavery by his own brothers for a few silver coins. But slavery, even if it is a simple reality, is very relative and vague a term. The meaning of what a slave is, is very different, and contextual. There were societies like the Ottoman turks, when the slave of the Sultan would be the second most powerful person in the empire. All his women were slaves, which meant that the mother of the crown sultan was also a slave. So when it comes to rights, powers, living standards - being a slave is not necessarily what we think it is. 

 

But all this aside, slavery was a reality, and still is. Regardless of what exactly it means, it is simply that somebody is under some kind of duty of somebody else. Some people might argue that we are all slaves of the banking satanic cartels of today. In the time when prophet Mohamed was born, the slaves, as well as most women who were not from noble houses, had virtually no rights. The Quran as well as the Prophet were clearly big advocates of not only freeing slaves in any way possible, but also of giving them clear rights until one does so. Islam is about slavery to the One only. So Islam definitely is against slavery, but at the same times addresses this reality in order to help the slaves. The same was with women, who also had almost no rights, and received things like rights of ownership and inheritance through Islam. Islam teaches that a good slave is better than a bad free person. That we should marry them and respect them, and free them. Also, when we commit a sin, we are encouraged to redeem ourselves by fasting and freeing slaves, if we have any. 

 

EXAMPLE # 3: War, Killing, etc.

 

In Islam we may only attack if we are attacked first. We may only kill, if we are being killed first. It is in the nature of all living beings, that if you step on a bee, they will die defending themselves. Self defense is a must for any natural, healthy, happy living being. If an animal feels cornered, they will fight back unless they are psychologically ill. This is normal, and the right thing to do. Almost all prophets were fighters and warriors, and in the Abrahamic religion some famous fighters were David, Solomon, Samson, Moses, and then we have Mohamed too. They all carried swords and killed people whom they saw as enemies of their God. All of them did so in self defense, which is my personal opinion. There are people out there who think that these prophets were power hungry and blood thirsty individuals, but personally I have proof for otherwise. But again, we can look to the Quran for proof. The Quran clearly states not to kill unless one is killed first, and even then not to exceed the limits. Women and children were always spared, and bodies never mutilated. Again, self defense is a reality, and even here there is an etiquette that one must follow to be more merciful and correct.


What concerns Jesus, he did not have enough people to raise an army to actually defend himself against the Romans. So he went underground and disappeared most of his life. Between the age of 12 and 32 he went as far as Tibet to learn the ancient Eastern wisdoms, and when he came back he just showed up for a short time before disappearing again. But one thing is documented very clearly. One, that he claimed the people weren't ready yet and had to wait for a 'comforter' - whom I personally interpret as being Mohamed. But most importantly, are you aware of what his last words were, before disappearing the last time. The last words to his disciples according to the gospels? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I remember is that he said they should sell their cloaks and buy swords? Also he said that he was sent to earth for no other reason than to be a sword. Also, in James it says that the war is a spiritual one in the higher realms. That shows us that there is a fight, and that Jesus was fighting. Just in his context he couldn't make an actual uprising yet, although I personally believe that he will or was reincarnated and will do so shortly God willing. 


A lot of people say that the use of the word sword is symbolic for something, but when you replay the scene of Jesus telling Peter (i think) that he should get swords, it is hard to imagine that it is spiritual only. But definitely believers operate and fight on spiritual levels too. But at the same time fighting on a physical plain was done by not only Abrahamic prophets, but even the father of all vedism, hinduism and indirectly buddhism. Here is Arjuna, whom I see as a prophet of God, in his Chariot, fighting for the truth, and his rights ..

 

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Other religious spiritual leaders who fought the good fight in my opinion , sitting Bull, fighting an aggression, and defending the truth ..

 

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Sitting Bull ..

I know that Jesus said "give the other cheek", which is even documented in Islamic sources about Jesus. I can go on and explain my interpretation on this in context to his cruel surroundings, if you are interested, let me know.


Thanks and all the best,

Best Regards

 

 

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On 11/5/2021 at 2:44 PM, Weedo said:

Sitting Bull ..

I know that Jesus said "give the other cheek", which is even documented in Islamic sources about Jesus. I can go on and explain my interpretation on this in context to his cruel surroundings, if you are interested, let me know.


Thanks and all the best,

Best Regards

 

 

Cheers Weedo thanks for the explanation - but I feel like you avoided the points! 

 

You gave me a wordy explanation without actually commenting on the morality of the teachings that I was asking. You can try to justify it with the fact that Slavery and other distasteful stuff is also in the Bible but I would counter that I think the Christians have taken the teachings and twisted them to suit their own purposes and they are, in fact, Sun worshipping Pagans - on that the Quran and I agree. So I don't accept the, 'its in the Bible, there is a precedent' argument.

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3 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

Cheers Weedo thanks for the explanation - but I feel like you avoided the points! 

 

You gave me a wordy explanation without actually commenting on the morality of the teachings that I was asking. You can try to justify it with the fact that Slavery and other distasteful stuff is also in the Bible but I would counter that I think the Christians have taken the teachings and twisted them to suit their own purposes and they are, in fact, Sun worshipping Pagans - on that the Quran and I agree. So I don't accept the, 'its in the Bible, there is a precedent' argument.

no problem, I know that most people don't agree on stuff, so that's ok.

 

I wasn't justifying slavery through the bible, as much as I was explaining to you the broad understanding of the word slave. What you understand as slave isn't what a slave was during most of Islamic societies. In Egypt the so-called slaves were so educated, powerful and influential, that they actually took over government in a coup, while creating a dynasty called "the slaves" or "the owned". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk_Sultanate

 

We must keep open eyes and open minds to definitions of words, in context. So when Islam addresses the concept of slavery, it is dealing with realities on the ground, that are much more flexible and general than most people today perceive. Most people think of how black slaves were treated by Europeans as a reference, but that is just one extreme example. Here is a Muslim presentation on the topic by a man I consider to have a good head on his shoulders. He also points out to you the broad spectrum of the use of the word 'slavery'.

 

 

And what concerns the verse that says we should not prostitute (although the word used here needs to be examined again, but let us assume it actually means prostitute) anybody, how can that be bad? It shows that Quran is good to fight against human sexual trafficking and exploitation. This verse actually brings out the humanity and justice of Islam.

 

The first "striking" against your wife verse, I clearly showed you that the word used in Arabic is not necessarily a physical meaning. So how did I not answer you exactly? If you don't mind, you can exactly point out to me where I avoided your questions, and I'll let you know exactly what I meant. Thanks

 

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4 hours ago, Weedo said:

The first "striking" against your wife verse, I clearly showed you that the word used in Arabic is not necessarily a physical meaning. So how did I not answer you exactly? If you don't mind, you can exactly point out to me where I avoided your questions, and I'll let you know exactly what I meant. Thanks

 

The whole point of my question was do you find it, ironic, disturbing, genuine, that God would give such advice for angel Gabriel to pass on to Mohammed (pbuh) regarding slavery and prostitution and warfare, that such things are included in a Holy Book?

 

I think God would find such things abhorrent and would command against it. It verses such as these that prevent me from accepting these texts - the Bible and the Quran as 'words of God'

 

You kind of danced around the issue by saying that a word may not be a word that we know and a meaning may not be a meaning that we understand today and so we shouldn't put to much into it. Never the less, the Quran does give advice about slavery, its like the Bible, people will point out there are contradictions in it. A rule is stated then later its revoked etc

 

So I see such inconsistencies and morally corrupt verses and inaccurate verses as suspicious and a give away that their not the words of God divinely inspired by men in ecstatic states of vision and in communication with higher beings.  If they are, the original works have been polluted.

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24 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

The whole point of my question was do you find it, ironic, disturbing, genuine, that God would give such advice for angel Gabriel to pass on to Mohammed (pbuh) regarding slavery and prostitution and warfare, that such things are included in a Holy Book?

 

I think God would find such things abhorrent and would command against it. It verses such as these that prevent me from accepting these texts - the Bible and the Quran as 'words of God'

 

You kind of danced around the issue by saying that a word may not be a word that we know and a meaning may not be a meaning that we understand today and so we shouldn't put to much into it. Never the less, the Quran does give advice about slavery, its like the Bible, people will point out there are contradictions in it. A rule is stated then later its revoked etc

 

So I see such inconsistencies and morally corrupt verses and inaccurate verses as suspicious and a give away that their not the words of God divinely inspired by men in ecstatic states of vision and in communication with higher beings.  If they are, the original works have been polluted.

Well the way I see it is that these books deal with reality, wether it is how to deal with good or bad situations. Slavery is a reality, and wars are a reality, and to me I see the books are guidance to being a better person. They tell us to be peaceful and only defend ourselves. They tell us to be forgiving, compassionate, and that if people stop attacking you, that you may not continue fighting them. At the same time they do mostly encourage you to fight for your rights, and the rights of all other people. This fight can be verbal, spiritual for physical. But the biggest fight is against our base desires, which is called in Islam Jihad el Akbar, or the Greater Jihad. The biggest fight and war is within ourselves, and those books help us win battles for the sake of achieving patience, inner peace, closeness to God and confidence in the Truth. 

 

According to those books our acceptance of the Truth, is directly and exclusively linked to the decision of the God of those books to chose us to 'see'. So from my perspective as someone who believes in those books and prophets and angels, seeing you reject them, is simply that God chose for you to not let you in on it. And if hypothetically speaking, I was the one who is lost in this regard, then the reverse would be true. Then I am the one lost because God has decided not to guide me. There is no change without God, and so I apologize if I sounded like I'm beating around the bush, as I tried my best to really address both the Arabic source code, as well as the contextual logical aspects of your concerns. Wishing you all the best, and if you have any questions about the verses or anything else concerning Islam, let me know. Thanks!

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23 minutes ago, Weedo said:

So from my perspective as someone who believes in those books and prophets and angels, seeing you reject them, 

 

I do not reject prophets and angels. Quite the opposite actually. Jesus was a prophet, not God incarnate, a man, with an exemplary spiritual message which he gave to the world and adhered to all the way to a grisly, but spiritually exemplary, death, unless some subterfuge went on like the Quran states - 'a likeness went up instead'. Except the man we know of as Jesus the Christ wasn't called Jesus and he wasn't born on the 25th December and he didn't 'ascend' after the crucifixion. 

 

I merely think the message of the prophets have been distorted or misrepresented by the Roman church and, unfortunately, that Islam is an extension of that erroneous message.

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5 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

I do not reject prophets and angels. Quite the opposite actually. Jesus was a prophet, not God incarnate, a man, with an exemplary spiritual message which he gave to the world and adhered to all the way to a grisly, but spiritually exemplary, death, unless some subterfuge went on like the Quran states - 'a likeness went up instead'. Except the man we know of as Jesus the Christ wasn't called Jesus and he wasn't born on the 25th December and he didn't 'ascend' after the crucifixion. 

 

I merely think the message of the prophets have been distorted or misrepresented by the Roman church and, unfortunately, that Islam is an extension of that erroneous message.

 

Islam teaches exactly what you said, and the meaning of the word Islam is literally linked to surrender and peace. To get peace one must first surrender. Surrender to what? Or whom? To the God who has the best names, such as the Truth, the Just, the Compassionate, the Patient, the Joiner, the Royal, the King, the Avenger, the Killer, the Giver of Life, the Great, the One, the Initiator, the Seeing, the Hearing, the Forgiving, the Kind, the Loving, etc etc etc. The purpose of those Names are for the sake of calling upon Him, for the sake of seeking closeness to this God, higher awareness, and higher ranking in the spectrum of creation. Islam probably has more in common with the protestant church, that insist on less pompous furniture, humble lifestyles. But the way God has destined it for the world, it happens to be that nobody is spared from corruption, and all prophetic teachings have been adulterated. Ironically the teachings from Christ (the Greek word for Moshiakh - or the Wiped)  and Mohamed survive that tell us exactly how the people claiming to represent them will be mostly frauds and devils. All prophets and saints have predicted the corruption of ALL religions, so it takes a wise one to read between the lines and keep it simple. To use the messages of all those great men and women to be a better person, and reach more closeness to God. the Mighty, the Strong, the Able, the Ally, the Vanquisher, the Opener, the Grateful, the Provider, the Quick in Accounting, the Raiser, the First, the Last, the Greatest, the High, the Highest, the Noble, the Designer, the Light, the Peace, the Remainer, the Inheritor, and many other of the Greatest Names.

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BY JUDITH SHAW on SEPTEMBER 21, 2013  ( 17 )

gugg jude72This year the fall equinox occurs on September 22.  In the Pagan calendar it is a time for giving thanks called Mabon.  Mabon celebrates the end of the harvest season and is a time to honor our wild nature and nature spirits. It is a day of perfect balance when the hours of daylight and darkness are equal. Mabon ushers in our journey into the dark night of winter.

Flidais (pronounced flee-ish) is a complex Celtic Goddess with many differing stories and aspects.  She represents both our domestic and our wild natures and is an appropriate Goddess to call on on this day of balance.  She first appears in the ancient mythological cycles as an Earth Mother. She was the  mother of the Irish cultivator heroes, Arden, and Bé Téite and the “she-farmers” Bé Chuille and  Dinand.   From Her they gained the power to cultivate and work the earth for the community.

Flidais, Celtic Goddess painting by Judith ShawShe is considered a woodland Goddess by modern Celtic pagans. As Lady of the Forest she protects wild fauna and flora.  But in mythology she is equally connected to both wild and domestic animals.  In particular deer and cattle are Her sacred animals, both of whom she milks. She Herself called all the wild animals “her cattle.”

Through Her many children Her aspect as a Mother Earth Goddess is seen. By Her strong association  with milk and milking she can clearly be seen as a Goddess of Abundance. During the Cattle Raid of Cooley (Táin Bó Cúailnge) her magical herd of cattle supplied milk for the entire army every seven days.

In addition to her Earth Goddess aspect of nurturing and providing abundance, Flidais was said to be a shape-shifter, a Goddess of Sexuality, and a Healing Goddess.  She was part of the Tuatha Dé Danaan. (“peoples of the goddess Danu”) – believed to come from the pre-Christian deities of Ireland.  Similar to the Welsh Mabinogion, the Irish Ulster Cycles were first put into written form in the medieval period. In this Medieval cycle the “ Tuatha Dé” were morphed from ancient Goddesses and Gods into mortal queens, kings, and heroes..

She is often called Flidais Foltchaoin – Flidais the “Soft-haired” or “Fair- haired”. Some scholars believe that Her name  means “wet one” whereas Monaghan feels that her name means “doe” and that she is closely associated with Artemis, the Greek Goddess of the Hunt.   And some scholars discount Her completely, accusing Her of being only a literary creation of the 10th and 11th centuries.

Various stories exist about her loves and marriages. In the Middle Irish glossary “Fitness of Names” she is said to be the wife of the legendary High King Adamair and the mother of Nia Segamain by Adamair. She shared her power and love of animals with her son.  She gave Nia Segamain the “Faery power” and he too was able to milk the cattle (deers and cows) creating great wealth and abundance.  Yet another tale, the Metrical Dindshenchas, says she was the mother of Fand, Celtic Sea Goddess.

In the Ulster Cycle”The Driving off of Flidais’s Cattle” she appears as a main and yet mortal character.   Here we see the combination of her aspect of Goddess of Sensuality and Earth Mother/Lady of the Forest.   Flidais was married to Ailill Finn but infatuated with and strongly drawn to Fergus mac Rog. She had heard tales of Fergus mac Rog’s prowess  and let it be known that if he would take her from her husband she would put Her herd of deer and cattle at his disposal.  She proved true to Her word. During “The Driving off of Flidais’s Cattle” one of her cows was able to feed 300 men from just one milking.   In this story we also learn of Her sexual artistry. Only She could fully satisfy her lover, Fergus.  Without Her he needed seven women.

As an Earth Goddess, Flidais is associated with the colors brown and green.  The deer is her sacred animal.  There is disagreement among scholars over her position as Our Lady of the Forest, yet some believe that she rode in a chariot drawn by Her sacred deer.  Trees are also sacred to Flidais as she serves as the protector of the trees and the animals of the forest. She is seen as the protector of the poor and the outcast who called on her when they were in need of safe harbor.

Call on Flidais when you feel out of balance, as she represents the eternal cycles of growth and rebirth.  She embodies both our domestic and wild natures, helping us find that balance within ourselves.  She can  help us touch the deepest, wild parts of our own sexuality, relieving any guilt that civilization has created. Flidais also returns us to our own sense of empowerment.  She claims the right to give Her powers of nurturing, abundance, and sensuality to whomever she chooses.  Through Her role as a shape-shifter, She helps us shift the shape of our lives. She opens our eyes to a new light, releasing us into abundance and creativity.   May you feel the depth of Her love for Her “cattle” deep in your heart.

 

Taken directly from the word FATIHA
Edited by Kais_1
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can someone tell me why my dob appears in both opening lines of the Koran....

and my home address (street name and house number) appears in surah najm 53.

and name and year of birth in surah mohammed 47??

am i some kind of chosen one?

what if i choose not to be?

from what i know thus far....

i am alone..

i am in the matrix..

i am ill(cancer+other ailments)

my thoughts and prayers have been monitored from a very young age (PAC)

they have put a middle man in between me and the creator..

the above is what i have been told...wether true or not i dont know..

i recall a time when i was friends with people from outer space....they really helped me alot...they showed me my future and past and mistakes and such in a video like film..

i kept coming back to remedy myself...

i have been back countless time now..

then came along the archons (due to some evil sisters of mine) and made a clone copy of my world....and totally flipped thiings around..

where there was good now is bad.....

where there was truth there is now lies..

i have read about this happening to other people before and its to stop people from being totally free.

the above is what i currently belive.

maybe its all bullshit

i really dont know what to think or belive no more....

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The 4 Qul (Char Qul) are short yet powerful Surahs in the Holy Qur’an which hold immense rewards and benefits. These four Quls are known as the protecting Surahs that were recommended by our Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam). Reciting these four Quls on a daily basis will protect the Muslims from black magic, evil eye, whispers of Shaitaan, and Shirk. The best time to recite is at night before going to bed (as recommended by our Prophet (SAWS)) and in daily prayers (salah)

So let’s see what are the four Quls of the Quran and their benefits. If you have been searching for the 4 Qul in English with a downloadable image, then this article will surely benefit you! The 4 Qul Surahs are mentioned below:
 

Surah al-Kafirun

Surah al-Ikhlas

Surah al-Falaq

Surah al-Naas

All the 4 Surahs begin with the word “Qul”. Do you know what this Arabic word means?

It means … “Say”.

Let’s get deeper into the benefits of 4 Qul Surahs.

Surah Kafirun is the 109th chapter of the Holy Quran which consists of a total number of 6 ayats. This Surah is equal to one-quarter of the Qur’an. The Muslim who recites this Surah before going to bed stays protected from shaitaan and safe from Shirk.

With the reference of Jami At-Tirmizi Hadith 3403

Farwah bin Nawfal (RA) narrated that:
 

He came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: “O Messenger of Allah, teach me something that I may say when I go to my bed.” So he said: “Recite: Say: ‘O you disbelievers’ for verily it is a disavowal of Shirk.”

Surah Ikhlas is the 112th chapter of the Holy Quran which consists of a total number of 5 ayats. This Surah is equivalent to one-third of the Qur’an. There are numerous benefits upon reciting Surah Ikhlas such as forgiveness of sins, attaining the love of Allah (SWT), protection against every kind of affliction and calamity, and many more…

With the reference of Sahih al-Bukhari 5015

Narrated by Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
 

The Prophet (ﷺ) said to his companions, “Is it difficult for any of you to recite one-third of the Qur’an in one night?” This suggestion was difficult for them so they said, “Who among us has the power to do so, O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)?” Allah Apostle replied: ” Allah (the) One, the Self-Sufficient Master Whom all creatures need.’ (Surat Al-Ikhlas 112.1–to the End) is equal to one-third of the Qur’an.”

Surah Falaq is the 113th chapter of the Holy Quran which consists of a total number of 5 ayats. This Surah helps to seek Allah’s protection from the black magic and evil eye.

Surah Naas is the 114th chapter of the Holy Quran which consists of a total number of 6 ayats. This Surah helps to seek Allah’s protection from the Jinn and evil.

With the reference of Sahih al-Bukhari 5016,

Narrated by Aisha (RA) that:
 

Whenever Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) became sick, he would recite Mu’awwidhat (Surat Al-Falaq and Surat An- Nas) and then blow his breath over his body. When he became seriously ill, I used to recite (these two Suras) and rub his hands over his body hoping for its blessings.

As these 4 Qul Surahs are short and easy to memorize, everyone must recite them on a regular basis, as they hold great benefits and numerous rewards which will help us in this world and on the day of judgment.
 

4 Qul in English With Images – Benefits & Meaning

The 4 Qul (Char Qul) are short yet powerful Surahs in the Holy Qur'an which hold immense rewards and benefits. These four Quls are known as the protecting Surahs that were recommended by our Prophet

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Now...QUL or KUL

Actually i have wrote about this before, but it is CUL which equates to 333.

THE 4 CULS is the correct way.

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Russian War Decoded...

 

RUSSIA

 

9 9 1 1 9 1

 

PUTIN

 

7 3 2 9 5

 

UKRAINE

 

21 11 + E/5 = 37 =74

 

r =18 ain=18 

 

8874 2

 

KIEV

 

11 9 5 5

 

 

Looks like im the chosen one again :)

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