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I used to think that. But this from wiki also look up hungry ghosts  etc

 

Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक; Pali: निरय Niraya) is a term in Buddhist cosmology[1] usually referred to in English as "hell" (or "hell realm") or "purgatory". The Narakas of Buddhism are closely related to diyu, the hell in Chinese mythology. A Naraka differs from the hell of Christianity in two respects: firstly, beings are not sent to Naraka as the result of a divine judgment or punishment; and secondly, the length of a being's stay in a Naraka is not eternal,[2] though it is usually incomprehensibly long, from hundreds of millions to sextillions (1021) of years.

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I think I can speak on this from the point of view of someone who has been to the "other side".  I didn't go all the way through to the tunnel so to speak, because I was met by two "people" who told me they are two of my "spirit guides".  When this happened, it took me a while to realize that all of our communication over there was a kind of telepathy where you can hear people speak to you with their mind, and you answer back with your mind.  I did not get the sense at all that there was anything like what is commonly called Hell, a place where Sinners are punished or whatever.  I certainly did not see any "down elevator" taking people to burning lava pits to be burned over and over for all of eternity.

 

What I got was a sense that you will have to go through a life review, where you see yourself through the eyes, mind and heart of everyone you slighted or hurt during your physical life, and that this process will be very emotionally painful for you, and that is how you learn. 

 

This happened to me in 2005, when I was the athletically fittest of my life, even though I was 45 years old.  I had gotten into competitive cycling, not knowing I had a congenital heart defect.  I was more than halfway through my training for the upcoming racing season when I had a severe heart attack while out on my bike and pushing very hard that day.  I was lucky I was with friends who caught up with me when I was laying on the ground in pain along side the road.  My wife was on her bike with us and she called an ambulance that arrived in less than 4 minutes.  Long story short, I had something very rare happen, and it was something that very few people survive.  I had an emergency heart bypass that night and during the surgery, because my spirit-self did not want to stick around and experience my chest being cut open, I left my body and I was immediately met by those two beings who told me I was going to be ok, but before I went back they needed to educate me on some things.

 

They "transported" me to a place that looked like a grade school classroom.  I sat in one of the little desks as they proceeded to teach me what they needed to teach me, including I got the proverbial download that is typical of what happens to many NDE people, where I temporarily knew everything about everything.  I literally knew the answer to every question I'd ever had about why the world is so fucked up and unjust and corrupt.  Of course, I didn't get to keep all of that knowledge when I came back (because that would be cheating), but I still have bits and pieces of much of it.  Even 15 years later, I'll occasionally see or hear something that will trigger a new memory of something I learned over there, and it lets me add another piece to the puzzle I have been building since that happened to me.

 

There are not many people like David Icke in the world.  I can tell all of you, because I know this now, that this man speaks the truth.  Often times, when I hear him speak, he will say something that I am sure 95% of people would never believe, but I immediately know that what he's saying is true because it will trigger a memory I didn't know I had and I will be like "Oh my god, he's exactly right. I know this because I saw it for myself when I was on the other side and temporarily knew everything."

 

I could go on and on.  The above is only 5% of what I could say about my experience "over there", but it's very personal to me.

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, motleyhoo said:

I think I can speak on this from the point of view of someone who has been to the "other side".  I didn't go all the way through to the tunnel so to speak, because I was met by two "people" who told me they are two of my "spirit guides".  When this happened, it took me a while to realize that all of our communication over there was a kind of telepathy where you can hear people speak to you with their mind, and you answer back with your mind.  I did not get the sense at all that there was anything like what is commonly called Hell, a place where Sinners are punished or whatever.  I certainly did not see any "down elevator" taking people to burning lava pits to be burned over and over for all of eternity.

 

What I got was a sense that you will have to go through a life review, where you see yourself through the eyes, mind and heart of everyone you slighted or hurt during your physical life, and that this process will be very emotionally painful for you, and that is how you learn. 

 

This happened to me in 2005, when I was the athletically fittest of my life, even though I was 45 years old.  I had gotten into competitive cycling, not knowing I had a congenital heart defect.  I was more than halfway through my training for the upcoming racing season when I had a severe heart attack while out on my bike and pushing very hard that day.  I was lucky I was with friends who caught up with me when I was laying on the ground in pain along side the road.  My wife was on her bike with us and she called an ambulance that arrived in less than 4 minutes.  Long story short, I had something very rare happen, and it was something that very few people survive.  I had an emergency heart bypass that night and during the surgery, because my spirit-self did not want to stick around and experience my chest being cut open, I left my body and I was immediately met by those two beings who told me I was going to be ok, but before I went back they needed to educate me on some things.

 

They "transported" me to a place that looked like a grade school classroom.  I sat in one of the little desks as they proceeded to teach me what they needed to teach me, including I got the proverbial download that is typical of what happens to many NDE people, where I temporarily knew everything about everything.  I literally knew the answer to every question I'd ever had about why the world is so fucked up and unjust and corrupt.  Of course, I didn't get to keep all of that knowledge when I came back (because that would be cheating), but I still have bits and pieces of much of it.  Even 15 years later, I'll occasionally see or hear something that will trigger a new memory of something I learned over there, and it lets me add another piece to the puzzle I have been building since that happened to me.

 

There are not many people like David Icke in the world.  I can tell all of you, because I know this now, that this man speaks the truth.  Often times, when I hear him speak, he will say something that I am sure 95% of people would never believe, but I immediately know that what he's saying is true because it will trigger a memory I didn't know I had and I will be like "Oh my god, he's exactly right. I know this because I saw it for myself when I was on the other side and temporarily knew everything."

 

I could go on and on.  The above is only 5% of what I could say about my experience "over there", but it's very personal to me.

 

 

 

 

that's really powerful and the part about hell not existing is what turned me off buddhism completely it just clearly wasn't right. Totally with you about DI. I'd love to hear more when or if you are ever ready. It's a topic that's close to my heart too.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

I think I can speak on this from the point of view of someone who has been to the "other side".  I didn't go all the way through to the tunnel so to speak, because I was met by two "people" who told me they are two of my "spirit guides".  When this happened, it took me a while to realize that all of our communication over there was a kind of telepathy where you can hear people speak to you with their mind, and you answer back with your mind.  I did not get the sense at all that there was anything like what is commonly called Hell, a place where Sinners are punished or whatever.  I certainly did not see any "down elevator" taking people to burning lava pits to be burned over and over for all of eternity.

 

That's because you did not go there yet. *facepalm*

Hell is actually cold, not hot.

This is why when an entities come near you, you get cold spots or hair stands because your energy is taken by them who has none.

 

As for telephathy, this is how I communicate with beings, animals and people. I literally can hear their thoughts.

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Social engineering is not hacking. That is one of google's big lies. I noticed it a few years ago and I suspect that is when "they" rolled out their misinformation campaign to stop the awakening to what social engineering actually is.

 

Social engineering is literally programming people to behave how you want. Everything that the west knows has been social engineered that way. I say the west because the social engineering heart is the Tavistock Institute which is located in London and London is very closely linked to the USA via the British "intelligence" (assholes) who formed the CIA which started as the OSS or office of strategic operations.

 

Their three main hubs of power is called the trinity of power which are:

 

London - financial power: the bank of international settlements (BIS) which is linked to every major bank in the west, the ECB (European central bank), and the "federal" "reserve" which is not federal and has no reserves.

Then there is the religious power of the Vatican and Jesuit order scumbags, the white pope, and the black pope which a lot of people don't even know about, the Jesuit general.

 

Then there is the USA with the military industrial complex (MIC) which basically go around the globe setting up bases in everyone else's country under the falsehood of "protection" when it's really imperialism. This is why I hate the US military because those idiots really don't fight for freedom or "serve their country" like they claim. We are now seeing that with Antifa running wild, george soros never being investigated, rockefeller never being investigated, and the FBI actually helping to keep the world wide child trafficking topic secret for decades, etc.

 

Social engineering is literally engineering a society, or rather mentally conditioning vast amounts of people so they behave how you want them to. Most people don't believe this is possible but then again most humans, in the USA anyway, I can't speak for other countries in which I have not lived, but most people in the USA are not very bright. This is because the "education" system is a giant brainwashing tool set up by the old bloodlines such as Andrew Carnegie, rockefeller, and Vanderbilt, among others who have purposely kept the most important information from students, such as the cures for dis-ease for example. Then of course the CIA's hollywood plays a very large part in brainwashing or rather engineering society's behavior as most of what we see Americans doing, believing, worshiping, is the crap that Hollywood black magician scumbags put on TV.

 

Everything that Americans know has been engineered that way due to people on the board of education carefully selecting particular curriculum that is mostly false. Why do you think most Americans are so unhealthy? Because "doctors" who have been to school have been taught false information and then they pass that along to their patients. Royal Rife found the CURE for cancer back in the 1930's, but talk to anyone on the street, any random person and you would be lucky to meet one out of ten people in a day who have heard of Rife, even people who work in the medical industry!

 

Or I can point out Nikola Tesla for example. That man was so intelligent, like way beyond most people even today, he found free energy, sort of free, there is always an exchange of energy somehow in the universe and multiverse, but relatively free in this small corner of the universe, and yet the scum banker who was funding his work, John Pierrpont Morgan of morgan chase bank, pulled Tesla's funding immediately when he learnt that the energy source Tesla found could not be regulated in a means to profit and control humanity.

 

So now whenever you are watching Hollywood crap, they mostly put on a pedestal much lower men such as albert einstein or thomas edison (who was a real scumbag who allegedly displayed his finding of direct current by electrocuting elephants but who knows if that is in fact true). I believe edison was probably a freemason which is why those cretins put him on a pedestal today still, plus to try and hide Nikola Tesla from people so that people don't investigate Tesla's work which might lead to more people learning how to go off grid and live without the electrical companies and banks.

 

It all comes back to control and money. The old bloodlines, illuminati, whatever you want to call them, they believe that it is their inherent right to rule over us who they consider "profane" and they do that by using money as a control mechanism, and falsehoods.

 

This is also why whenever someone exposes their staged shootings or bombings, or their 5G weapon and the link to frequency, they delete them off of youtube and facebook etc and then call them a quack. The real quacks are those running the entire show, the CIA, skull & bones degenerates, club of rome, rand corp, bilderberg, etc.

 

Yeah I have no doubt there are some of them or their minions on this forum and I hope they see this post, they can piss up a rope. :classic_ohmy:

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I don't think that in the forum there are infiltrations. I see it's full of reactionaries who think that the main, the only threath is the communism, the marxism. These are views I don't share, that I find alien for a forum supposed to be antagonistic to the system, but they are genuine, I think. I don't agree with them, but I don't believe in infiltrations, then all is possible.

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12 hours ago, chocomel said:

 

That's because you did not go there yet. *facepalm*

Hell is actually cold, not hot.

This is why when an entities come near you, you get cold spots or hair stands because your energy is taken by them who has none.

 

 

 

Yes, hell is cold because it has no energy. They take energy and warmth from the living which is why if you ever experience demons you will experience them as a cold breeze against your skin.

 

You seem like a fellow experiencer of these extraordinary things which most people will not know about until they die......

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, theo102 said:

The word "God" is ambiguous, even within canonical religious texts.

 

 

That's true.

But I wasn't going to write a thesis on it because it can get deep. Sorry about that.

But those that have beey studying, will know more or less where i am coming from whether you've studied Hindism which is full of gods, Christianity, Islam, African and Mayan traidtion...

 

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On 5/21/2020 at 1:19 PM, TrueSon said:

I see signs of infiltration.

  • What if illuminati agents slowly rose up the social hierarchy of this forum to become a moderator and delete admins and the forum contents?
    Or, was this forum hacked by social engineering? Humans are the weakest links in any security system.

 

David, Gareth and mods are more experienced than users hence they were a few steps ahead to salvage the forum. Though the forum took some hit, you've got to give them credit for their foresight. We are still here and this is what war is about. You get hit one day and you stand up again.

 

On 5/21/2020 at 1:19 PM, TrueSon said:
  • I saw a forum member cite lucifer as an entity that tries to help human. David Icke probably knows already that lucifer is also known as demiurge which David Icke already knows deeply about.

 

I don't know exactly how much he knows about Lucifer and I am guessing that he knows lot more than you have put it in one sentence above.

Depends on what his understanding, it could be wrong... or correct...who knows. I am not judging it but surely it is OK to discuss? It's our tasks to turn every stone?

 

On 5/21/2020 at 1:19 PM, TrueSon said:
  • Some forum members tried to paint all or most jews as the global controllers or people who knowingly help the global controllers.
    According to David Icke, the vast majority of jews are victims to ultra zionism also known as sabbatean frankist cult.

I think many of us know this that not all gay, blacks, white, jewish etc...... are devil worshippers, paedo, racisits etc....

 

Overall, this thread made me think that we are so much in FEAR. Of course forum is infiltrated, it's an open forum...even if it's a paid forum, they will still get in.

You are basically saying, we have virus, bacteria in the world!!

The best solution is 1) to make your immune system stronger, 2) live happily no matter what is going on and laugh a lot, eat well etc to keep the balance.

In the meantime, if you don't like this 3D materialistic world, get out when you die and never come back. Know this time that you can't save the whole world but save yourself...not even your family. We are all individuals and we can INFLUENCE people but the ultimate decision is down to the individual. If you want to exit the Matrix, you cannot get out with 3D mindset. This means you need to access higher dimensions and if you do, you will go nearer to the God but your view will change. You still wanna stay in 3D? Good luck to you, you;ll have many life times and keep on making mistakes until you wake up one day. Yeah point finger at any group of people, satan, lucifer, make them your scapegoat. You've got the ticket to stay on. It's never your fault right? The government, this alphabet agency etc.....:classic_wink:

 

If you start from fear base, things are likely to not work out because that's the way the Universe tells you that you are on the wrong path. You cannot achieve with lower vibration.

When you are hungry, you don't have nutrients or energy in you to do anything. Same thing.

If you keep falling in a hole, at some point you realise your mistakes and avoid a hole in the future?

Although David warn us of what is going on, bottom line is that he has faith. He knows what will happen and that's for the humanity.

But we can't sit still and need to do our work.

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2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

Yes, hell is cold because it has no energy. They take energy and warmth from the living which is why if you ever experience demons you will experience them as a cold breeze against your skin.

 

You seem like a fellow experiencer of these extraordinary things which most people will not know about until they die......

 

A LOT. I've been in training since about the time David used to do his talk at Mind Body and Spirits exhibition. I learn from experience. Spirits teaches me....and no blood/baby sacrifice is necessary! You need to know all. You can't be like God if one corner of a circle is missing. :classic_biggrin:

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5 hours ago, Messenger said:

Then there is the religious power of the Vatican and Jesuit order scumbags, the white pope, and the black pope which a lot of people don't even know about, the Jesuit general.

 

So who is the black pope? I take it it doesn't mean melanated pope....

Basically you are saying, the pope we know is just a puppet? A front for the black pope?

If so, even the Vatican is infiltrated. (you guys have stuck this word in me head, I'll be using it again and again now lol) :classic_rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, chocomel said:

But those that have beey studying, will know more or less where i am coming from whether you've studied Hindism which is full of gods, Christianity, Islam, African and Mayan traidtion...

 

There's a doctrine in Christian tradition which says that "God" is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. All three of these ideas can be shown to false from Christian canonical texts, in that there are some cases when they don't hold true. The idea that "God" is everything has some support from the gnostic texts, but these sayings are often just hints at a deeper meaning.

 

77. Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

 

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2 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

There's a doctrine in Christian tradition which says that "God" is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. All three of these ideas can be shown to false from Christian canonical texts, in that there are some cases when they don't hold true. The idea that "God" is everything has some support from the gnostic texts, but these sayings are often just hints at a deeper meaning.

 

77. Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

 

 

Quote of Jesus is right.

I am everywhere. You won't understand this unless it happened to you. Nobody explained this to me but I understood in an instant when it happened and I can make this happen again.

The bible is misleading in a sense that it makes Christians to believe the God is someone/something outside of themselves, someone to worship and pray to whereas Jesus said the God is within you which is correct. The bible mixes up and misleads.

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12 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

There's a doctrine in Christian tradition which says that "God" is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. All three of these ideas can be shown to false from Christian canonical texts, in that there are some cases when they don't hold true.  

 

 

It is true that God is all powerful, but God expresses that power in ways that it are hard to understand.

 

God is like a rubber duck.....You force it underwater and it pops up quickly to the surface.

 

In the same way, if you do evil, you are forcing the rubber duck underwater, the duck won't change into a crocodile and devour the evil doer, but what the duck will do is rise to the surface and attempt to make good from an evil situation.

 

If God didn't do this, then the world would have ended a long time ago under the sheer weight of oppressive evil...

 

This is also innate in humans, that we always try to see the bright side of a situation...except God is continually trying to CREATE the bright side......

 

If God was omnipotent in the way some people wish, that he could instantly stop evil then this world would be heaven and we would be in the light, but this world is not heaven and not intended to be..... in heaven and the realm of light there is no evil and God is fully expressed, but here in material creation we have been let 'off the leash' from God...... 

 

That's just the way it is....but God is always watching us and watching out for us.....

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

It is true that God is all powerful, but God expresses that power in ways that it are hard to understand.

 

God is like a rubber duck.....You force it underwater and it pops up quickly to the surface.

 

In the same way, if you do evil, you are forcing the rubber duck underwater, the duck won't change into a crocodile and devour the evil doer, but what the duck will do is rise to the surface and attempt to make good from an evil situation.

 

If God didn't do this, then the world would have ended a long time ago under the sheer weight of oppressive evil...

 

This is also innate in humans, that we always try to see the bright side of a situation...except God is continually trying to CREATE the bright side......

 

If God was omnipotent in the way some people wish, that he could instantly stop evil then this world would be heaven and we would be in the light, but this world is not heaven and not intended to be..... in heaven and the realm of light there is no evil and God is fully expressed, but here in material creation we have been let 'off the leash' from God...... 

 

That's just the way it is....but God is always watching us and watching out for us.....

 

Call it a school, a prison.... it is what it is. Not meant to be heaven.

My teacher teaches us that the God always gives gifts but not as we hope it to be.

It is our task to open the box and make a use of it.

Otherwise, how will human learn about the Universe if not for hardships.

The value of the gift is equal to the hardship you experience (the law of polarity).

If the God gives us candy the whole time, that can't be good though we might like it.

In a higher sense, it is all good.

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2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

It is true that God is all powerful

 

And YHWH was with Judah; and he drave out [the inhabitants of] the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

Judges 1:19

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13 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

And YHWH was with Judah; and he drave out [the inhabitants of] the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

Judges 1:19

 

 

Because YHWH was a man. It was common in the Middle East for men to be deified and represent Gods.

 

Most of the Roman Emperors were 'Gods' for instance....

 

Interesting eh?

 

YHWH isn't God.....and isn't my God. 

 

I know you're going to always be trying to pick at me because I know God...... because atheists have an itch they can't scratch which is part of their condition.

 

But I'll always be one step ahead of whatever you think you know.

 

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