Having some problems with family members and really need some advice.

[TruthSeeker27]

Hello everyone. Hope you're all doing well.

 

As you can tell by glancing at my profile, I'm a relatively new poster on here. This whole bloody plandemic has opened my eyes to so many things, and this forum has been a good source of comfort in recent times. The recent attacks against David, this site, and everything connected to that wonderful man have made me feel both helpless and optimistic. I do believe that the powers that be are afraid, I feel that they know that many people are waking up to this massive scam that's occurring. But at the same time, I feel that we have to be on guard at all times now. They're trying to divide and conquer among us, and literally trying to destroy information on this forum that could have helped other people wake up. You can't even find this site on a search engine anymore, and the list goes on.

 

My latest problem is in regards to my own family. I'm a 26 year old guy, and most of the year I live alone in North Wales in a static caravan where I work. But since the lockdown here happened, we were all forced back to our main homes, and that is back in England with my mother and grandparents. The problem I have is that I feel as though within my own house, there's no escape from the mainstream media. I mean, don't get me wrong, I do stay plugged in to what they're saying, as it's good to see what lies they're spouting because that way we can confront it and try and reveal the lies. But my family terrified by all this. My grandparents believe the media narrative 100%. My grandmother is aware that manipulation is occurring (messing with the figures, etc), but she just thinks they're doing this to make us feel more aware of the virus. But on the whole, she believes it all. My mother is the one that's really getting me down. You see, she is one of 1.5 million in the UK who are classed as extremely vulnerable (as she suffers from a rare auto immune disorder), and she received the special shielding letter. What gets me down is that my mother is usually so very awake to media manipulations. She's been listening to David with me and agrees with a lot of what he says, but on the whole, she does believe that the virus exists and that if she gets it she will die, and as such, she's preventing me from fighting back in the way I would normally do.

 

I love my mother a great deal, and if there's even a 1% chance that this is legit I would do anything to protect her. Because of this, I'm not living life as I normally would, I'm not seeing those from outside my home. But it takes a toll on you when you know in your own mind that this whole thing is BS. I don't want to live my life as normally, but...I would like to see some friends of mine. And yes, truth be told, some of these people are friends with benefits (as they say), but she keeps emotionally blackmailing me because she's so scared of dying.

 

Maybe I'm in the wrong. Perhaps I'm being selfish. But it makes me feel so helpless because, if they, the powers that be can even make my mother so afraid (a woman who knows her own mind) then what hope really is there for the large majority.

 

Apologies if this comes across like a rant. I just need some words of encouragement here. I'd also like to know how things are going with your families. Have you experienced strains within your families in regards to the lockdowns?

[QuodHumana]

Living with parents, and especially in this time is not only incredibly frustrating but also so hard. I can really sympathise. Just live your truth the best you can. As for your mother, all she can do is try to stay as healthy as possible.

 

Vitamin C

Vitamin D and Zinc are all really good at preventing from getting the virus. Exercise and good sleep is also really essential. 

 

All the best.

Edited May 21, 2020 by QuodHumana

[TruthSeeker27]

13 minutes ago, QuodHumana said:

Living with parents, and especially in this time is not only incredibly frustrating but also so hard. I can really sympathise. Just live your truth the best you can. As for your mother, all she can do is try to stay as healthy as possible.

 

Vitamin C

Vitamin D and Zinc are all really good at preventing from getting the virus. Exercise and good sleep is also really essential. 

 

All the best.

 

Thank you. It is hard, but what really makes it so upsetting is to see her just so stressed about it. Even if this virus does exist, its mortality rate is about 0.3/0.5%. But to look at the media and social media, it's as though if you get it you're gonna die or that your odds are 50/50. It's just blatent scaremongering. I'm glad that she's open to listening to David, though. Before all this happened she'd wrote him off, but now she is listening to some of the things he says, particularly those regarding Gates and his involvment and she is distrustful of any vaccine.

[Asmallperson]

Living with people can be difficult, especially when the escapes routes have been closed down. This is why people have been saying mental health will suffer under lockdwon, as well as things like domestic violence, etc. I tend to do spiritual work when I have time and space and its really effective and reducing stress.

[serpentine]

There are plenty of people dismantling the governments behavior over current affairs and many are becoming aware that the main solutions being offered have already been planned well in advance. Problem reaction solution is very understandable once attention is drawn to it.

 

Many of the internet age don't bother to find themselves hobbies and other interests and mums are sometimes very bad when it comes to finding time for themselves.

[Lore]

Hi TS27, I joined about the same time.  :) One of the things this plandemic has done is compelled everyone to 'go home' where TPTB can monitor everything we say and do through technology. No longer are we able to have private conversations with friends, that is one of the reasons why this forum is so important now. I'm sure TPTB know that forcing people into situations they do not choose will cause disharmony and division... and confusion. They have ensured the media and govts emphasise how we should all be totally fearful of Bill's designer flu and those who are already unwell will be most susceptible to this conditioning.

To begin a process of change, try to have a discussion with your mum, where you play the role of counsellor, ask her about her auto immune disorder, how, when and why she feels it started and just listen to her thoughts, beliefs and feelings without interruption.  When she has said all she wants to say about it, suggest she visualises all those fears being turned into a white cloud and floating away, this may feel silly to start with but does work with practice. Also research alternative healing therapies for her better long term health.   :)

[kj35]

Hiya , you arrived right in the middle of a complete onslaught from trolls and yet immediately several of us spotted you as the real deal.

 

It's hard all this. I'm one down from the vulnerable group although you d never know to look at me  - initially - I've even fended off medical staff this morning. My family have been warned that if I get one of these letters then they've not to hand it in as I see it as a DNR order. But that's MY  opinion and MY choice. 

 

We are also looking after elderly parents one with very advanced dementia who we are having to drug as he wants to go wandering and find his long dead mum. It's frustrating that this could be his last summer and it's spent this way. But my mother in law is adamant that this is the right thing to do and like your mum is glued to government advice. I've had to learn which battles to pick and also that ultimately it is their choice. Also I dont want to give the more close minded members of the family a reason to dismiss  REALITY if , god forbid, the in laws contract pneumonia etc as elderly people are apt to do and medics under pressure are forced to attribute COVID  to it and suddenly I'm to blame for not washing my hands or wearing a face mask.  Much love to you all. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by kj35

[TruthSeeker27]

Big thanks to you all. It's such a difficult situation to be in exactly because everything feels so unnatural, and it's harder to escape when you're living with three other people who all have conflicting viewpoints. Restrictions easing has, in a way, made things worse. The window of opportunity is small, as I KNOW that they're planning the second wave right now, and I just wanted to make the most of it and reach out to those I care about. And yes, one of my female friends (one who I've grown closer to through this period, as I have been able to convince her that this is all BS) does want to meet up and it just feels like a potential relationship is going down the drain. Already one potential relationship was ruined because of my caravan becoming off limits.

 

Hang on a minute guys. Right now, just a few minutes ago, my mother receieved a call from the doctors surgery. They said she can no longer go the supermarket, and get this, it had been reported by some ruddy neighbour that she'd been seen out of the house! And because she's shielding that shouldn't be happening. It isn't even illegal to disregard the letters yet they talk like it is! I literally can't believe it, I feel as though the walls are closing in! I doubt it was one of my neighbours. Most of them hardly interact with us or know us. More likely they've guessed that she's disregarded the letter slightly. They're saying they want the council to come round and check on her, asking how many pets we've got, asking to do our shopping. Right now my mother is in floods of tears because she was just planning a day trip to the country side and now she's terrified out of her mind again!

 

Gonna have to comfort her guys. Will check back later. So upset about this.

Edited May 21, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[TruthSeeker27]

Quick update guys.

 

Apparentely, they were two phone calls. It was not the woman from the doctors who mentioned my mother had been spied on by her neighbours, it was the woman from the council. They were two seperate calls. Some "concerned" citizen, who somehow knew that my mother should have been shielding said that she kept going out with the dogs. Haha. She only walks one of them to the end of the street and back. 

 

Really scary stuff. Could have been a disgruntled person who one of us knows, but I doubt it somehow.

[kj35]

59 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

Big thanks to you all. It's such a difficult situation to be in exactly because everything feels so unnatural, and it's harder to escape when you're living with three other people who all have conflicting viewpoints. Restrictions easing has, in a way, made things worse. The window of opportunity is small, as I KNOW that they're planning the second wave right now, and I just wanted to make the most of it and reach out to those I care about. And yes, one of my female friends (one who I've grown closer to through this period, as I have been able to convince her that this is all BS) does want to meet up and it just feels like a potential relationship is going down the drain. Already one potential relationship was ruined because of my caravan becoming off limits.

 

Hang on a minute guys. Right now, just a few minutes ago, my mother receieved a call from the doctors surgery. They said she can no longer go the supermarket, and get this, it had been reported by some ruddy neighbour that she'd been seen out of the house! And because she's shielding that shouldn't be happening. It isn't even illegal to disregard the letters yet they talk like it is! I literally can't believe it, I feel as though the walls are closing in! I doubt it was one of my neighbours. Most of them hardly interact with us or know us. More likely they've guessed that she's disregarded the letter slightly. They're saying they want the council to come round and check on her, asking how many pets we've got, asking to do our shopping. Right now my mother is in floods of tears because she was just planning a day trip to the country side and now she's terrified out of her mind again!

 

Gonna have to comfort her guys. Will check back later. So upset about this.

Strange that. O had a call this morning out of the blue. Probing how well (ill) I am. It's like theyve been scripted to have a ring around 

[kj35]

1 hour ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

Quick update guys.

 

Apparentely, they were two phone calls. It was not the woman from the doctors who mentioned my mother had been spied on by her neighbours, it was the woman from the council. They were two seperate calls. Some "concerned" citizen, who somehow knew that my mother should have been shielding said that she kept going out with the dogs. Haha. She only walks one of them to the end of the street and back. 

 

Really scary stuff. Could have been a disgruntled person who one of us knows, but I doubt it somehow.

She can decide to ignore the letter. It's not illegal to do that as you already know. I live in a small village and historic petty disputes are now exhibiting into reports like this. Really reassuring to see here in thid village pretty much 90% are seeing through it. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by kj35

[Alex]

In the same boat aswell man so know your frustrations. My dad in particular has fallen hook line and sinker for it and it's so depressing to see. At times like these I wish all people like us could just be living away from all of this together because living at home in and amongst this trying to tell people about all this is like talking to a wall. It's not even worth arguing back or talking about it with them it gets you nowhere 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Alex

[Mudwimp]

I live in a  house with my wife, my daughter and her fiancé. Of all of us I am the least concerned about Covid-19 (even though I have severe heart failure and am a 'high risk'). I often disagree with my family although - deep down - they also think that this is all some kind of a 'con'. Covid-19 has divided people just as Brexit did before it. I think fear is a major factor and, let's be honest, the MSM has been working overtime to convince people that their lives are in imminent danger. Looking at my family; reading what (so called) friends write on 'FAkebook' and talking to people in the street leaves me worrying for the future.  The biggest 'bone of contention' in my household concerns my decision to not accept ANY vaccine or RFID implant. Even though most of my family agree with my rationale, they have more or less admitted that - when push comes to shove - they will feel compelled to reluctantly go along with everything. I know there are millions of us who will stand firm against this oppression but, ultimately, I think we need some kind of miracle if we are going to win this war.

[kj35]

17 minutes ago, Mudwimp said:

The biggest 'bone of contention' in my household concerns my decision to not accept ANY vaccine or RFID implant. Even though most of my family agree with my rationale, they have more or less admitted that - when push comes to shove - they will feel compelled to reluctantly go along with everything. I know there are millions of us who will stand firm against this oppression but, ultimately, I think we need some kind of miracle if we are going to win this war.

Yep. Couldnt agree more. Good job we've got the good guys on our side though.

 

I wonder how many if us...when push really comes to shove...will stand against this. When it means real sacrifice...jobs ...food ..travel. I hope I do. But wouldn't be surprised AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME  if I caved. Still the resolve strengthens with every nonsense news report, scandalous political outrage (Boris johnson), exposing of Bill Gates truly evil web of deceit. 

[rideforever]

You can still love people even though they are brainwashed ... well not really brainwashed but clearly they need the mainstreamnarrative.  If they had the strength to be more individual then they would be.

So that's how it is.  It is not easy to wake up.
One day it will all blow over.

[Jason]

I smell rats on this thread.

[Jason]

I tried to post on here mutiple times and each time I submitted my reply I got the same blocked message.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

I smell rats on this thread.

 

and now I do as well .... but before I didn't?

[Tinfoil Hat]

Out of sheer curiosity, Jason, how come you've only just started posting, when you joined on 3rd May?

 

Edit: Apologies for going off topic.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Tinfoil Hat

[Jason]

Attitude like that, I'm not surprised this forum got hacked, you mods/admins are not gods, you know; probably an inside job, maybe it was you...

[Jason]

Just now, Tinfoil Hat said:

Out of sheer curiosity, Jason, how come you've only just started posting, when you joined on 3rd May?

FYI, old timer, I posted before, but my previous posts have vanished also.

[Tinfoil Hat]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

FYI, old timer, I posted before, but my previous posts have vanished also.

 

Why don't you join me in over in your banned thread? 

[TruthSeeker27]

3 hours ago, Mudwimp said:

I live in a  house with my wife, my daughter and her fiancé. Of all of us I am the least concerned about Covid-19 (even though I have severe heart failure and am a 'high risk'). I often disagree with my family although - deep down - they also think that this is all some kind of a 'con'. Covid-19 has divided people just as Brexit did before it. I think fear is a major factor and, let's be honest, the MSM has been working overtime to convince people that their lives are in imminent danger. Looking at my family; reading what (so called) friends write on 'FAkebook' and talking to people in the street leaves me worrying for the future.  The biggest 'bone of contention' in my household concerns my decision to not accept ANY vaccine or RFID implant. Even though most of my family agree with my rationale, they have more or less admitted that - when push comes to shove - they will feel compelled to reluctantly go along with everything. I know there are millions of us who will stand firm against this oppression but, ultimately, I think we need some kind of miracle if we are going to win this war.

 

I relate to this so much. My mother also believes deep down that something is rotten, but her fear is clouding her judgement. And yeah, if it meant getting back full freedom (such as it ever was), my whole family would go for the vaccine if they really had to. 

[Edgecrusher]

Funny this goes up today... I was going to reply earlier but been a shit day.

 

I had arranged to drive over to my mum and take her for an ice cream and a coffee then a walk down by the river. She's 81 and a Jehovah's Witness. I do about a 40 mile round trip to get over to her, which I have been anyway.

 

She was buying all this at the start, and I said her, of all people, should be seeing what's going on... Anyway, she sort of came round in the end, and it did stop her being scared so much. I have been putting files onto my Plex server for her, and she's been watching Mr Icke and various other bits and pieces. And I'd been encouraging her to get out every day from the start.

 

She knows how I feel about it all...

 

Anyway, I get her, and she says to me, literally 2mins after getting in my car, that the radio just said that 29 bus drivers (or however many it is) have died from COVID-19... I got the 'ump for her even bringing it up as I'd been looking forward to having a walk and an ice cream and getting her some sun.

 

I asked her if she knew how many bus drivers died last year, and if this is the first time bus drivers have ever died in human history, especially considering how tubby some are...

 

We ended up arguing, and I drove her home before even getting to the ice cream place. I feel like a twat for just not letting it go but I can't, and she's too old for that shit. I don't go out my way to argue with people about it (but did in Tesco the other week with a member of staff who said he "can't believe Boris was going to ease the "lockdown"". I couldn't keep my mouth shut) but I feel a sense of duty.

 

She ended up leaving in tears, and now I feel like a bastard.

 

A massive part of this though is they know people will fall out with family and friends.

[Dagmar Gross]

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George W. Carey wrote a book titled "The Zodiac and the Salts of Salvation" in 1932 and it has in recent years been republished.

Take a look at this video. It may help you and us all! It starts a bit, well,... but then continues with the science, very well explained, I think.