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18 minutes ago, numnuts said:

 

More like 'MASONIC FUKK UP'. Ha Ha.  As for the real/fake debate, then doesn't this news suggest 'something' went down in Manchester that night?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52358116

 

Manchester Arena attack inquiry: Survivors refused role.

 

Well something did go down.

 

Whether people wanting to take part are being refused because those running the enquiry want to be able to twist the truth, or whether they suspect the input would seek to twist the truth, I don't know.

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42 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

Well something did go down.

 

Whether people wanting to take part are being refused because those running the enquiry want to be able to twist the truth, or whether they suspect the input would seek to twist the truth, I don't know.

 

The outcome of this 'inquiry' is already known, its a formality.

 

What they probably don't want are any 'survivors' who might buckle under the slightest pressure and blow the whole game apart.

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19 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

The outcome of this 'inquiry' is already known, its a formality.

 

What they probably don't want are any 'survivors' who might buckle under the slightest pressure and blow the whole game apart.

 

Yes, you're probably right about that.

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3 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The outcome of this 'inquiry' is already known, its a formality.

 

Well, I think we can all agree on that, as we can all agree that Salman Abedi was innocent, simply because the bigger picture is so easy to see.

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On 5/22/2020 at 3:46 PM, KillBill said:

No. It's 'easier' to fake it.

 

If they killed real people, then there could be criminal investigations, lawsuits, families of victims with the general public growing in numbers as infortmation is revealed. Hoaxing these events, they are much more in control, as essentially the media is controlled. VICSIMs are created, operatives can be moved to another assignment, crisis actors onto the next job. Certain people in-the-know, for example some police or medical staff, can be reassured that they are doing sdomething important for the security of the country and that no-one was hurt.

 

Sandy Hook, Aurora, Parkland, Boston Marathon, Christchurch mosques and more, have all been executed in similar ways - drill / crisis actors / media complicity.

 

They pushed the boat out in January on the Wuhan spectacle with all the fakery, people walking along then suddenly collapsing and convulsing like they are being electrocuted/break dancing all caught by the cameras or CCTV, roads being closed off with boulders, squads in white overalls and masks picking up the dead, more squads in white suits and trucks disinfecting streets, officials shown locking people into their appartments and all the close-quarter external and internal coverage of hospitals built in 8 days and the media and politicos tell us now the Chinese were hiding it. ?

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16 hours ago, KillBill said:

 

22/07/2011 - Norway, 'Anders Breivik'

22/05/2013 - Woolwich, 'Lee Rigby'

22/03/2017 - Westminster 'attack'

22/05/2017 - Manchester 'bombing'

 

etc.

 

Funny that those type of terror incidents have stopped like at a flick of a switch and now we have the COVID terror ops.  The audiance only gets to see one show at a time at the Theatre of Terror.

 

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On 5/21/2020 at 11:52 PM, MrA said:

I am.personally of the opinion that false flag OPs often turn from being a drill to a.live event with live materials 

 

Many people came to the same conclusion regarding 7/7 tube bombinga

 

A drill gone live , with the men participating thinking they were part of an exercise and not an actual attack 

 

But then it goes lives and they are the patsies

 

YES.

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7 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

 

They pushed the boat out in January on the Wuhan spectacle with all the fakery, people walking along then suddenly collapsing and convulsing like they are being electrocuted/break dancing all caught by the cameras or CCTV, roads being closed off with boulders, squads in white overalls and masks picking up the dead, more squads in white suits and trucks disinfecting streets, officials shown locking people into their appartments and all the close-quarter external and internal coverage of hospitals built in 8 days and the media and politicos tell us now the Chinese were hiding it. ?

 

Yeah the videos of the chinese (crisis actors) face-planting the pavement are surreal.

 

6 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

 

Funny that those type of terror incidents have stopped like at a flick of a switch and now we have the COVID terror ops.  The audiance only gets to see one show at a time at the Theatre of Terror.

 

 

ISIS are too worried about catching COVaids to continue their reign of terror on foreign shores. :classic_rolleyes:

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I vaguely remembered reading some time ago that they were going after Abedi's brother too, so I've just done a search and found this from 17th March 20 - I hadn't realised this had happened! 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/17/brother-of-manchester-arena-bomber-hashem-abedi-guilty-murder

 

Brother of Manchester Arena bomber found guilty of murder

Hashem Abedi was accused of helping to plan terror attack in which 22 died at Ariana Grande concert

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1 hour ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I vaguely remembered reading some time ago that they were going after Abedi's brother too, so I've just done a search and found this from 17th March 20 - I hadn't realised this had happened! 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/17/brother-of-manchester-arena-bomber-hashem-abedi-guilty-murder

 

Brother of Manchester Arena bomber found guilty of murder

Hashem Abedi was accused of helping to plan terror attack in which 22 died at Ariana Grande concert

And he was aged.....22

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1 hour ago, Athenry04 said:

The official story for this is pure shittery......

 

True, but what do you expect with the intelligence services and covert news management teams (no so covert now of course) operating.

 

If it were Baghdad with bombs going off left, right and centre a while back no one would bat an eyelid to the carnage but such events have been a rarity in the UK since the war.

 

So.

 

A)No extremely graphic pictures will make it to the msm print shop (inciting possible civil disorder v minorities or copycat events).

 

B)So keep members of the public well away from any enquiry /inquest (no difficult questions and some in authority  can't cope with the powerful emotional responses of the bereaved - see Tony Blair)

 

C)Hush up intelligence service operations even if the suspect was "known" to them..

 

D)MoP are easier to brief than MotP so obvious questions will never get asked.

 

In this case we have the offspring of a man who had been historically used by the UK to unseat Gaddafi. The motives of the man may have been personal or idealistic maybe seeing a better future for his country without Gaddafi. Now fast forward to post Gaddafi Libya where having destroyed the regime the West just apparently sits back and watches anarchy ensue and hopes of that better future evaporate. Dangerous business taking away hope.

 

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2 hours ago, Athenry04 said:

The official story for this is pure shittery, but coming from Manchester even questioning it is a massive no-no and likely to end in a fight. The branded slaves with the mark of the bee won't concieve that they've been duped.

 

I have never seen the sense in talking to any folks who really don't want to listen. A total waste of good energy.

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I watched it and thought it was really good.

 

Why would someone put that much effort into something that could potentially make him look like a complete and utter tool, and also open to attack from relatives. If he was that far off the mark, who would ever listen to him about anything else going forward?

 

You only have to watch it and the body language in some of the interviews that there's more to it. Those two photos of the foyer are, quite frankly, not what they are made out to be.

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I just watched the documentary and it is an eye opener and raises many questions, lack of suicide bomber, the car chase, security guards turning people around before explosion, the time capture data from photographs etc.. if you ask me it smells fishier than Grimsby dock on a summer catch day

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In case anyone hasn't noticed, the 'inquiry' into the Manchester attack began yesterday.

 

Manchester Arena Inquiry: Terror attack investigation opens

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54025242

 

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The public inquiry into the Manchester Arena terror attack has begun.
The hearing comes more than three years after Salman Abedi set off a bomb as people left a concert on 22 May 2017, killing himself and 22 others.
It was due to start in June, but was delayed by the trial of Abedi's brother Hashem, who was jailed for at least 55 years for 22 murders on 20 August.
The inquiry is being held at Manchester Magistrates' Court, less than a mile away from where the bombing happened.
The Manchester Arena Inquiry was established on 22 October 2019 by Home Secretary Priti Patel with the aim of investigating the victims' deaths.
Ms Patel said it was "vital that those who survived or lost loved ones... get the answers that they need and that we learn the lessons, whatever they may be".
It will have a much wider scope than Lord Kerslake's review of the "preparedness for and emergency response to" the attack, which in March 2018 concluded that there had been some failings in the response.

What is the Manchester Arena Inquiry?

The inquiry, which will be chaired by Sir John Saunders, will "explore the circumstances leading up to and surrounding the terror attack", according to its website.
It will look at whether the attack could have been prevented, what happened on 22 May 2017, the security arrangements around the arena, the emergency response to the bombing and the radicalisation of Salman Abedi.
The inquiry will also hear how each of the individual victims died and hear personal evidence about them from their families.
Speaking in October, Ms Patel said she established the inquiry after carefully considering advice from Sir John, who concluded that due to legal constraints, a "full, fair and fearless" investigation could not be "achieved through the inquests and must be done by establishing a statutory public inquiry".
It will take place in two courtrooms in Manchester Magistrates' Court, which will mostly be filled with legal teams and "core participants", defined as "individuals, organisations or entities with a significant interest in an important aspect of the matters to which the inquiry relates".
Social distancing guidelines mean a further two courtrooms will be available for members of the public - the majority of whom will be victims' families - and a small number of journalists to use. Further hubs will established in nearby buildings.

Why is it being held?

The inquiry's website said the focus would first be on determining "exactly what happened" and then on working out "what must be done to prevent it from happening again".
Public inquiries cannot determine criminal or civil liability, but do have the capacity to highlight where failings have occurred.
In the aftermath of the attack, the police conducted a criminal investigation, which culminated in Hashem Abedi being convicted earlier this year and jailed last month, while the coroner opened inquests into the deaths.
However, following a ruling by Sir John that evidence from MI5 and the police should be kept secret on national security grounds, he called for a public inquiry, which would allow such testimony to be heard in closed sessions.

Who will give evidence?

The inquiry, which is expected to last for about four months, will hear testimony from a wide variety of witnesses, including some who were at the arena on the night of the attack and some who helped in the emergency response.
It will also hear, in those closed sessions, from the security services about what was known about Salman Abedi and what steps were taken in relation to him.
Those giving evidence will be questioned by legal representatives for the inquiry and for those with "core participant" status, which includes the emergency services, the Home Office, the victims' families, the arena owners and Kyle Lawler, an arena steward who Sir John previously said "may have played a significant role or may be subject to explicit or significant criticism".

Why has it been controversial?

More than 900 people were injured in the blast and a group of those survivors made a legal challenge to be given "core participant" status.
In April, Sir John ruled they would not be given that status and two months later, following an appeal and a judicial review, his ruling was upheld.
Martin Hibbert, who was the closest casualty to survive, said the group were "perplexed as to the ruling, given what we've seen, what we've heard and what we've been through".
"We were there and we survived... so we've got a lot of information that we feel is imperative for a thorough investigation," he said.
At the time, counsel to the inquiry Paul Greaney QC said many survivors would give evidence at the hearing and they were being encouraged to raise any issues with the inquiry team.

 

Manchester Arena Inquiry: One paramedic at scene for 40 minutes after blast

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54071621

 

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Only one paramedic was at the scene of the Manchester Arena bombing for the first 40 minutes after the explosion, an inquiry into the attack was told.
Twenty-two people were killed and hundreds more injured when Salman Abedi detonated a suicide bomb as 14,000 fans left the arena in May 2017.
The inquiry heard the sole paramedic had arrived in the arena foyer 18 minutes after the bomb went off.
But at least eight ambulances had arrived nearby after 40 minutes.
Lead counsel Paul Greaney QC said the public inquiry would have to consider whether lives were lost as a result of a failure to co-ordinate the response of emergency services.
Within 10 minutes of the bomb exploding at 22:31 BST, 12 British Transport Police (BTP) officers had run into the arena foyer carrying first aid.
Casualties were carried out on makeshift stretchers and only one actual stretcher was used on the night of the attack.

 

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The inquiry was told BTP had primary responsibility for policing in the arena foyer and Greater Manchester Police (GMP) was not aware "at an organisational level" of the Ariana Grande concert.
"On the face of it that may seem surprising," Mr Greaney added.
He said BTP had "primacy" in this area due to the proximity of Victoria Station and the inquiry must consider whether that affected preparedness for any terror attack.
"There is a legitimate question about whether it was appropriate that BTP, who specialise in the railways, should take the lead," he added.
Following the blast, BTP declared a major incident at 22:39 but they did not communicate this to GMP and there was no attempt to integrate communications at the arena.
The inquiry heard the BTP officer, who thought he was acting as operational commander, was in Blackpool when the bomb went off.
He took a taxi to Manchester but "by the time he arrived the need for an immediate response had long since passed".

 

It all stinks so far, doesn't it?

 

I can't wait to hear what Richard Hall makes of all this!

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