Yasmina Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, serpentine said: Has someone hacked the NHS? Yeah, it was you..you snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Yasmina said: 3 and a half days? How comes? Maybe he is trying to refer to the kundalini force, which is said to lay dormant in three and a half coils? It could be that he is just afraid that even when he is dead his body will still feel pain. Some people have a fear of being buried alive also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: ... Some people have a fear of being buried alive also. Quite common in the past and just as common now bearing in mind the increase in population if the stories that occasionally appear in newspapers around the globe are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A-chan Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Asmallperson said: What tosh. The medical world wont accept things to do with spiritual concepts officially, so why are they going to leave a body for long enough for the organs to be useless to another person? Your comprehension skills are showing again. There were several posts before yours explaining the reasons against organ donation; you clearly didn't read them as indicated by your post. Ink shared many informative texts. If you had read through them you would have your answer. If the person isn't actually dead, there is a chance of survival, however "slim". They aren't a "body". They are a human being. This is nothing to do with "spiritual concepts". It is about respect and dignity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A-chan Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Asmallperson said: Its not body snatching if you give consent. Also, if its simply a matter of opting out its still not body snatching. So the medical science behind it is not perfect but few things are. Things can take time to improve and evolve. Doesnt mean people shouldnt strive. I wrote informed consent. People should sign up for it, if they truly want to be donors. They opt in, otherwise it is body snatching. They do not own me. My body is my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Yasmina said: Yeah, it was you..you snake Wouldn't dream of it even though some would say I might have good reason too and if the old forums were accessible there's a post in it about a family member who never got colds or flu suffering from Guillame Barre syndrome .after being administered a flu vaccine a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, A-chan said: I wrote informed consent. People should sign up for it, if they truly want to be donors. They opt in, otherwise it is body snatching. They do not own me. My body is my own. Its not if they have the choice. You just want to make out that it worse than it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, A-chan said: Your comprehension skills are showing again. There were several posts before yours explaining the reasons against organ donation; you clearly didn't read them as indicated by your post. Ink shared many informative texts. If you had read through them you would have your answer. If the person isn't actually dead, there is a chance of survival, however "slim". They aren't a "body". They are a human being. This is nothing to do with "spiritual concepts". It is about respect and dignity. So just keep people in machine for infinite periods on the off chance they might recover? you do realise there are limited bed, machines, staff, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackJohnson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: Its not if they have the choice. You just want to make out that it worse than it is Why are you so supporting of this practice? It's just another piece in the PTB's plan, that everything is able to be turned into cash, that nothing is regarded as sacred anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) I don't agree with them harvesting the organs of people who never opted out, but most people would want one if they needed one or more. If I ever needed one, I would rather have the organ or organs of somebody who opted in, that way it was their choice. Most people who do not opt out don't even think about it either way, so when they die they just take what they want. Edited May 21, 2020 by Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Stealing organs from people who didn't explicitly say they wanted to have their organs recycled is bad form imo, and shouldn't have been changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, JackJohnson said: Why are you so supporting of this practice? It's just another piece in the PTB's plan, that everything is able to be turned into cash, that nothing is regarded as sacred anymore. I think its every persons right to make that choice. I dont base my thinking on some persistent theme of thinking that bad guys are trying to force me into something I dont want to do. Do you consider the dead body sacred? some cultures have used sky burial, which they consider sacred. What people think of as sacred depends on your viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Kala Namak said: Stealing organs from people who didn't explicitly say they wanted to have their organs recycled is bad form imo, and shouldn't have been changed. OK, well lets look at it this way. If you donor haters had a close family member who was told they could live if they got an organ donation would you be grateful for that or would you tell that person its wrong and let them die? honest answers please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: OK, well lets look at it this way. If you donor haters had a close family member who was told they could live if they got an organ donation would you be grateful for that or would you tell that person its wrong and let them die? honest answers please. My honest answer is...I believe "death" to be an illusion, so they're not going to "die" anyway. Their soul will decide when it's time to leave this physical plane. For me personally I will hopefully not be so desperate to "hang on" or be so shit scared of dying that I'd want imported cadaver organs either for myself or my loved ones. Edited May 21, 2020 by Kala Namak typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: OK, well lets look at it this way. If you donor haters had a close family member who was told they could live if they got an organ donation would you be grateful for that or would you tell that person its wrong and let them die? honest answers please. lf it meant taking the organ from a live person who was fully aware and could feel the pain of the operation because they get no anesthetic, only a paralysis drug (as repeatedly explained in great detail by ink in several posts), then no. From your comments after inks posts l see that you're either callous, stupid or lazy. IE: You don't care about the implications of the info. You cannot comprehend the info. You didn't read all the info. Which is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Kala Namak said: My hones answer is...I believe "death" to be an illusion, so they're not going to "die" anyway. Their soul will decide when it's time to leave this physical plane. For me personally I will hopefully not be so desperate to "hang on" or be so shit scared of dying that I'd want imported cadaver organs either for myself or my loved ones. How lovely that you would base another persons period on what you think is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Basket Case said: lf it meant taking the organ from a live person who was fully aware and could feel the pain of the operation because they get no anesthetic, only a paralysis drug (as repeatedly explained in great detail by ink in several posts), then no. From your comments after inks posts l see that you're either callous, stupid or lazy. IE: You don't care about the implications of the info. You cannot comprehend the info. You didn't read all the info. Which is it ? But you wouldnt know where or how that organ became available. It wouldnt matter really if it came from a person who felt it in their final moment as they would be dead and they would still be a chance of somebody living. Any need to be offensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: How lovely that you would base another persons period on what you think is right. That statement works for either answer. Yes or No. (you missed 'minded' from the middle of your user name xx ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinfoil Hat Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Asmallperson said: But you wouldnt know where or how that organ became available. It wouldnt matter really if it came from a person who felt it in their final moment as they would be dead and they would still be a chance of somebody living. Any need to be offensive? I find the attitude that it wouldn't matter what unanticipated agony another person suffered for your sake to be offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackJohnson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: I think its every persons right to make that choice. I dont base my thinking on some persistent theme of thinking that bad guys are trying to force me into something I dont want to do. Do you consider the dead body sacred? some cultures have used sky burial, which they consider sacred. What people think of as sacred depends on your viewpoint. As a matter of fact, I do. Not as something that can have it's organs plucked out just to satisfy some rich prick's wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Asmallperson said: But you wouldnt know where or how that organ became available. It wouldnt matter really if it came from a person who felt it in their final moment as they would be dead and they would still be a chance of somebody living. Any need to be offensive? We, who have read this thread (and gone and done more reading to check) now know where / how these organs are obtained. So the answer is - LAZY ? You didn't read all that ink posted. Or - Callous ? You don't give a shit ? Stupid ? Cannot process the information ? l ask again - Which is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: How lovely that you would base another persons period on what you think is right. I'm not sure what menstruation has got to do with this....but anyway, it's not just "another persons period". Each soul chooses for themselves whatever experience they wish to have on this physical earthly plane. If they choose to remain with the help of a foreign organ then they will make that their physical reality. At this moment in time I am not inclined to want a dead persons organ should I be sick and I don't want my organs removed after I have moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Basket Case said: (you missed 'minded' from the middle of your user name xx ) That made me laugh mate :) No reactions left .... but lmfao :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, ink said: That made me laugh mate :) lmfao :) Glad to be of service We all need a good laugh, innit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, JackJohnson said: As a matter of fact, I do. Not as something that can have it's organs plucked out just to satisfy some rich prick's wallet. So what use are your organs when you are dead? does your spirit still need them to exist? The point of organ donation is saving lives. People do get rich from it, but they do in so many ways. Its one thing to opt out because of some religious belief but I think saying no just because somebody might make cash out of it is bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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