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1 hour ago, Yasmina said:

3 and a half days? How comes? 

Maybe he is trying to refer to the kundalini force, which is said to lay dormant in three and a half coils?

 

It could be that he is just afraid that even when he is dead his body will still feel pain. Some people have a fear of being buried alive also.

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19 minutes ago, Asmallperson said:

... Some people have a fear of being buried alive also.

 

Quite common in the past and just as common now bearing in mind the increase in population if the stories that occasionally appear in newspapers around the globe are true.

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3 hours ago, Asmallperson said:

What tosh. The medical world wont accept things to do with spiritual concepts officially, so why are they going to leave a body for long enough for the organs to be useless to another person?

 

Your comprehension skills are showing again.

 

There were several posts before yours explaining the reasons against organ donation; you clearly didn't read them as indicated by your post. Ink shared many informative texts. If you had read through them you would have your answer.

 

If the person isn't actually dead, there is a chance of survival, however "slim".

They aren't a "body". They are a human being.

 

This is nothing to do with "spiritual concepts". It is about respect and dignity.

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3 hours ago, Asmallperson said:

Its not body snatching if you give consent. Also, if its simply a matter of opting out its still not body snatching.

 

So the medical science behind it is not perfect but few things are. Things can take time to improve and evolve. Doesnt mean people shouldnt strive. 

 

I wrote informed consent.

 

People should sign up for it, if they truly want to be donors. They opt in, otherwise it is body snatching.

 

They do not own me.

My body is my own

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1 hour ago, Yasmina said:

Yeah, it was you..you snake 

 

Wouldn't dream of it even though some would say I might have good reason too and if the old forums were accessible there's a post in it about a family member who never got colds or flu suffering from Guillame Barre syndrome .after being administered a flu vaccine a few years ago.

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1 hour ago, A-chan said:

 

I wrote informed consent.

 

People should sign up for it, if they truly want to be donors. They opt in, otherwise it is body snatching.

 

They do not own me.

My body is my own

Its not if they have the choice. You just want to make out that it worse than it is

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1 hour ago, A-chan said:

 

Your comprehension skills are showing again.

 

There were several posts before yours explaining the reasons against organ donation; you clearly didn't read them as indicated by your post. Ink shared many informative texts. If you had read through them you would have your answer.

 

If the person isn't actually dead, there is a chance of survival, however "slim".

They aren't a "body". They are a human being.

 

This is nothing to do with "spiritual concepts". It is about respect and dignity.

So just keep people in machine for infinite periods on the off chance they might recover? you do realise there are limited bed, machines, staff, etc?

 

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10 minutes ago, Asmallperson said:

Its not if they have the choice. You just want to make out that it worse than it is

 

Why are you so supporting of this practice? It's just another piece in the PTB's plan, that everything is able to be turned into cash, that nothing is regarded as sacred anymore.

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I don't agree with them harvesting the organs of people who never opted out, but most people would want one if they needed one or more. If I ever needed one, I would rather have the organ or organs of somebody who opted in, that way it was their choice. Most people who do not opt out don't even think about it either way, so when they die they just take what they want.

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2 hours ago, JackJohnson said:

 

Why are you so supporting of this practice? It's just another piece in the PTB's plan, that everything is able to be turned into cash, that nothing is regarded as sacred anymore.

I think its every persons right to make that choice. I dont base my thinking on some persistent theme of thinking that bad guys are trying to force me into something I dont want to do.

 

Do you consider the dead body sacred? some cultures have used sky burial, which they consider sacred. What people think of as sacred depends on your viewpoint.

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1 hour ago, Kala Namak said:

Stealing organs from people who didn't explicitly say they wanted to have their organs recycled is bad form imo, and shouldn't have been changed.

 

OK, well lets look at it this way. If you donor haters had a close family member who was told they could live if they got an organ donation would you be grateful for that or would you tell that person its wrong and let them die? honest answers please.

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40 minutes ago, Asmallperson said:

OK, well lets look at it this way. If you donor haters had a close family member who was told they could live if they got an organ donation would you be grateful for that or would you tell that person its wrong and let them die? honest answers please.

My honest answer is...I believe "death" to be an illusion, so they're not going to "die" anyway.

 

Their soul will decide when it's time to leave this physical plane.

 

For me personally I will hopefully not be so desperate to "hang on" or be so shit scared of dying that I'd want imported cadaver organs either for myself or my loved ones.

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5 minutes ago, Asmallperson said:

OK, well lets look at it this way. If you donor haters had a close family member who was told they could live if they got an organ donation would you be grateful for that or would you tell that person its wrong and let them die? honest answers please.


lf it meant taking the organ from a live person who was fully aware and could feel the pain of the operation because they get no anesthetic, only a paralysis drug (as repeatedly explained in great detail by ink in several posts), then no.

From your comments after inks posts l see that you're either callous, stupid or lazy. IE:

You don't care about the implications of the info.
You cannot comprehend the info.
You didn't read all the info.

Which is it ? :classic_dry:

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1 minute ago, Kala Namak said:

My hones answer is...I believe "death" to be an illusion, so they're not going to "die" anyway.

 

Their soul will decide when it's time to leave this physical plane.

 

For me personally I will hopefully not be so desperate to "hang on" or be so shit scared of dying that I'd want imported cadaver organs either for myself or my loved ones.

How lovely that you would base another persons period on what you think is right.

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2 minutes ago, Basket Case said:


lf it meant taking the organ from a live person who was fully aware and could feel the pain of the operation because they get no anesthetic, only a paralysis drug (as repeatedly explained in great detail by ink in several posts), then no.

From your comments after inks posts l see that you're either callous, stupid or lazy. IE:

You don't care about the implications of the info.
You cannot comprehend the info.
You didn't read all the info.

Which is it ? :classic_dry:

But you wouldnt know where or how that organ became available. It wouldnt matter really if it came from a person who felt it in their final moment as they would be dead and they would still be a chance of somebody living. 

 

Any need to be offensive?

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1 minute ago, Asmallperson said:

But you wouldnt know where or how that organ became available. It wouldnt matter really if it came from a person who felt it in their final moment as they would be dead and they would still be a chance of somebody living. 

 

Any need to be offensive?

 

I find the attitude that it wouldn't matter what unanticipated agony another person suffered for your sake to be offensive.

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19 minutes ago, Asmallperson said:

I think its every persons right to make that choice. I dont base my thinking on some persistent theme of thinking that bad guys are trying to force me into something I dont want to do.

 

Do you consider the dead body sacred? some cultures have used sky burial, which they consider sacred. What people think of as sacred depends on your viewpoint.

 

As a matter of fact, I do. Not as something that can have it's organs plucked out just to satisfy some rich prick's wallet.

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1 minute ago, Asmallperson said:

But you wouldnt know where or how that organ became available. It wouldnt matter really if it came from a person who felt it in their final moment as they would be dead and they would still be a chance of somebody living. 

 

Any need to be offensive?


We, who have read this thread (and gone and done more reading to check) now know where / how these organs are obtained.

So the answer is - LAZY ?
You didn't read all that ink posted.
Or - Callous ?
You don't give a shit ?
Stupid ?
Cannot process the information ?
 

l ask again - Which is it ?

 

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3 minutes ago, Asmallperson said:

How lovely that you would base another persons period on what you think is right.

I'm not sure what menstruation has got to do with this....but anyway, it's not just "another persons period". Each soul chooses for themselves whatever experience they wish to have on this physical earthly plane. If they choose to remain with the help of a foreign organ then they will make that their physical reality.

At this moment in time I am not inclined to want a dead persons organ should I be sick and I don't want my organs removed after I have moved on.

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10 minutes ago, JackJohnson said:

 

As a matter of fact, I do. Not as something that can have it's organs plucked out just to satisfy some rich prick's wallet.

So what use are your organs when you are dead? does your spirit still need them to exist?

 

The point of organ donation is saving lives. People do get rich from it, but they do in so many ways. 

 

Its one thing to opt out because of some religious belief but I think saying no just because somebody might make cash out of it is bogus.

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