Finder Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) I'll keep it short. Because the topic was discussed in depth in a corresponding thread which is currently unavailable and which I hope will be restored. So, here it goes. Epstein didn't kill himself. And Brian Ross is not who he says and advertises he is. The guy is hypocritical and double faced. His money earning interests are irrelevant. He is afraid of David, he envies him, and he is in awe each time he meets him. David knows it, and during the last interview, at the very beginning he gave Brian a hint as he looked straight into his eyes, that if he wants to be in David's camp and in David's shoes, he can not afford a wavering position (paraphrasing). Brian's reaction during David's very matter of fact explanation was very revealing. Four years ago, someone called Zen Gardner who happened to be a paedophile, and who's role in a creepy organisation he worked for, was to manage the kids that he and others in that cult were repeatedly abusing, interviewed DI. Zen had been hiding his nasty past activities for as long as it was possible. He eventually left that creepy organisation, and became an author, a spiritual influencer, a conspiracy theories guru and a big supporter of DI. He built an audience and a reputation of a spiritual leader. At some point he interviewed DI, wrote a book presenting lots of info he himself knew (of course), that also supported nearly all DI ideas. He and DI endorsed each other until the truth came out about Zen (real name: Don Ferguson) and David parted his ways with him. Other prominent people who would regularly interview Zen Gardner and post his articles on their websites parted their ways with that hypocrite too. The story is still in shadows, David never mentioned that guy since. Nevertheless, before the truth about that Don Ferguson came out, both, he and David gave themselves a chance to have an interview with each other, shared their audiences and Zen Gardner's books still sell. For the record, Zen Gardner was often called "DI good friend" and you can still find this info in the i-net. After the nasty revelation, David, naturally, remained David, the unpleasant situation didn't taint him of course. At the time there was no way for DI to know who Zen Gardner was behind the scenes. David simply used his chance to speak like he always does, and he always gives others chances to be the best they can be, even though he sees people for who they are, esp now, pretty damn well. David is very aware who Brian is and what really motivates him. He gives him a chance. He is aware he takes some risk. But the fact that David gives others a chance to be the best they can be, does not guarantee they will, nor it means they are descent people who can be trusted. I submitted a video of Don Ferguson with DI below. For those who claim BR is just a nice guy and says the right things, I think you should watch this video, because Zen Gardner also "looks" like a very nice guy. Even to David. And those who somehow see charisma in BR and also see him committed to the good cause, watch Zen Gardner now. And imagine you never knew he was a paedophile. Just like with BR, what Don Ferguson says and presents to the public and his energy simply don't match. But feel free to dismiss it. And I want to highlight one more time, as a disclaimer, it wasn't just DI who picked the wrong guy to be associated with. Zen Gardner was fooling many prominent leaders in the spiritual circles and also those who were investigating the nefarious affairs of the religious and political elite morons. https://newspunch.com/david-ickes-friend-zen-gardner-confesses-he-ran-pedophile-cult/ https://hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/angela-gives-zen-gardner-a-free-pass/ https://wakeup-world.com/2016/04/24/david-icke-and-zen-gardner-talk-challenges-and-solutions-for-the-world-today/ https://aplanetruth.info/2016/08/22/hey-icke-rense-acivist-post-et-al-why-no-covering-of-the-outing-of-pedo-leader-zen-gardner/ https://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Awakening-Zen-Gardner/dp/1522897097 Now and Zen: Zen Gardner talks to David Icke 15 March 2016 VIDEO - https://hooktube.com/watch?v=I9t23GZ1vCE P.S. I fail to understand why after the topic of BR & LR was so extensively discussed relatively recently, the OP of this thread brought the damn thing back again and said he's tired of BR bashing. Really??? Statistically speaking, the amount of short videos produced by BR praising himself and bragging non-stop far exceeds the amount of videos produced by others that criticise him and his motives. I am tired of hearing a bunch of commenters only seeing one aspect of the picture and completely ignoring the rest of it that should be considered. Especially in the light of what I've said above. My guess is, based on a few weeks of observation of the OP, is that he desperately wanted to chat away about anything, so he picked up and slightly rephrased one of the most popular topic (of the recently hacked forum) that quickly became an interesting debate, -to a certain point, after which it was just a mindless repetition of opinions, not an intelligent debate any more. The only contribution of the OP of this thread to the original version of this topic was a pasted copy of the Wikipedia page with info about subrosa and meaning of rose as a symbol, that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic and its aspects that were then discussed. A show off? What would it take you to be yourself and to be original? Paste and copy requires no IQ, a kid can do it. Edited May 21, 2020 by Finder 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentient Being Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 One thing I've learned a long time ago is bad publicity can actually turn into good publicity... exponentially. You only need a spark to light a fire. Even if a few people decide to look into it and red-pill then that will spread. Strongest weapon at the moment is the internet. So, people have the gun... choose your bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueSon Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) Bryan Rose is already taking hits because he is raising money for broadcasting David Icke and doctors who expose COVID-19 plandemic. Rebel Wisdom might be an enemy of freedom. He is selfish, but he is also a good man. True prosperity supports selfish individuals. He shouldn't have to unnecessarily sacrifice for freedom because if he did so, he wouldn't have basic resources to fight for freedom in the first place. It's important to make selfishness serve selfless fights. Selfishness is required to even have basic resources to fight for freedom. A self is selfish, and a self is necessary to survive and thrive in this physical universe. Without a self, you would die in days. Making money in the process of fighting for freedom is a great way to fight for freedom. He is selfish in a way that serves the greater good. If you wanted to really fight for others and have a chance at winning, money is absolutely necessary. There is no other way. Just to survive as an average person requires money in this age. To fight in an information war requires far more money than mere surviving does. No one is going to livestream and broadcast banned videos to millions of people for free, darling. Blaming him for making money is like blaming him for being able to fight for freedom. He actually is putting videos on digital freedom platform. He is preparing signatures for legal battles. He is taking actions. What actions are you taking to help others other than asking other people to investigate dirts on freedom fighters? What's important is to stop the COVID-19 train from killing millions of people. You can already see the train approach you. Asking other people to investigate dirts on others like Dr. Judy Mikovits and Bryan Rose who are loyal to the cause is really a waste of precious time resource. We don't have much time before the train runs over millions of people. The primary priority is to save millions of people from dying. We can play blame games later. Whoever is an enemy of freedom will try to deceive others by asking them to investigate dirts on freedom fighters who stick their necks out. Edited May 21, 2020 by TrueSon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Retriever Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Finder said: The story is still in shadows, David never mentioned that guy since. There was a long thread on the original forum about Zen Gardener which I was involved with. Your above quote is not absolutely accurate. DI did come out to say he had never met Zen Gardner and only once did an interview with him, which can be verified here. https://www.davidicke.com/article/382143/hatred-sean-adl-tabatabai-y Edited May 21, 2020 by Golden Retriever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piripiriman Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) The idea that Brian Rose gets a £million + in his bank account to start 'Digital Freedom Platform' is ridiculous. Free platforms already exist, why isn't he using them? The DFP is his, he decides what does and doesn't go on it. Brian Rose is consistently deleting questions and criticisms of him and the 'platform' ...that is censorship. Instead of Youbtube deciding what goes on, it's put into the hands of Brian Rose, there's no difference, it's not freedom. He's putting copyright and community strikes out against other Youtube channel who cities him, he's a massive hypocrite. Edited May 21, 2020 by piripiriman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piripiriman Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBglnc_YKS4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finder Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 22 hours ago, Golden Retriever said: There was a long thread on the original forum about Zen Gardener which I was involved with. Your above quote is not absolutely accurate. DI did come out to say he had never met Zen Gardner and only once did an interview with him, which can be verified here. https://www.davidicke.com/article/382143/hatred-sean-adl-tabatabai-y Thanks for the link, I've read an excerpt from this DI reply on another site and have just read the entire article. Agree with David. My quote is close to accurate, what I meant was the entire Zen Gardner story is still in the shadows across the i-net, meaning everyone who Zen had previously interacted with scrubbed his articles and videos from their platforms and just abruptly stopped mentioning his name and activity, like the creepy guru had never existed. David did state he had never met him in person, but it's not really the point here, the point is he allowed himself to interact with that bastard. Just like many others in his and overlapping fields did. Not blaming David in any way, he took the risk and opportunity to speak with someone who had a good and noticeable presence on the web at the time and who also had a big enough audience and following. I watched that interview btw, and couldn't help but notice that David did have his doubts about Zen, pretty much continuously, he had a rather strong awareness on the matter from the very start but was arguing with it. I appreciate your ability to notice things and be meticulous when it comes to being accurate and exact. We need more people like you on the forum)). Also, I adore your intelligence and attention to details. Keep it up mate, you are good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) On 5/20/2020 at 8:45 AM, Stride said: Hi guys it’s getting boring seeing all this maybe people are seeing a conspiracy too far? Ok he is making some money out of this but is it really so bad? We all need to put food on the table and chicks in our sack. On 5/20/2020 at 8:47 AM, Stride said: To be honest any big doubting Thomas's should sit in the interview chair like David did and pitch their case. Question is are they brave enough ? It's easy enough for you to ignore the "boring" BR hate and concentrate on stuff that interests you. Alternatively you could also counter with some positive stuff, of your own whatever takes your fancy. The hacked forum already had a long ass thread of mostly Rose bashing, and some of the chief bashers appeared to get a bit arsey and tetchy with anyone that doesn't support their view, including the "I'll keep it short" fella creating a (mostly irrelevant) 900+ word followup hammering home his point while complaining about the subject getting bumped again, lol Too funny. Anyway, here he is responding to some of the criticisms that appeared in the Vice article and where he admits to being a peedo......no wait... https://youtu.be/uwFZlzGXYjI (embedded youtubes not working at the moment) ...so there you have it. BR admits that he is a money grabbing peedo sleazeball, the evidence is right there for all to see and anyone who disagrees with that is a turdgoblin. Well, you never know how things are going to turn out, sometimes you think you know someone, then it turns out they are not who they seemed to be. There are many examples of this out there in the "real" world. David himself has been bitten in the arse and taken blows in the past by some of his own entourage and is still standing strong. I personally don't have any issues with either BR or DI. Does that mean that they are perfect? No it doesn't, but then who is? I will continue to support BR's efforts to get "alternative" information out there and also David's sterling efforts to speak his truth in the face of stiff opposition. If in the fullness of time it turns out that either or both of them are shitbags, then I'll take the "L". (I don't think that's going to happen) In summary, I do understand your frustration at some of the LR/BR hate and that you may find it a bit tiresome,however, if you can, just let it slide and don't let it bother you. There does seem to be a vociferous core of critics who feel very strongly about this and are sure that they are right and get a bit emotional when their point of view is challenged. Just forgive them. Edited May 23, 2020 by Kala Namak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 He isn't perfect and i expect this is a simple cash and grab. He has censored people on his own platform and on youtube. He looks like what he is. A conman. How people cant see that is bewildering to say the least. The bloke ozzes slime. If you want to donate I am not going to feel sorry for you. Its the only way some people learn and stop being naive. I was there once. The pokerdot hanker gives it away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgecrusher Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/20/2020 at 11:13 AM, Stride said: There’s no doubt Brian had made a tidy pile of cash. Personally I do not care, as he has done a lot to raise David’s message. On 5/20/2020 at 11:18 AM, Tinfoil Hat said: I agree. There's a difference between making an income, which we all need to do to pay our bills, and ripping people off. I wasn't keen on his self-aggrandising in his last video, referring to himself as, 'a leader', but that's just a personality thing that rubs me up the wrong way. It's fair to say he stuck his neck out to get censored info presented, so he doesn't deserve all the hate imo. I'm not keen on him but the three videos on London Real with David have no doubt woken loads of people up. Regardless of what people think of his new platform and how he's raised the money (I donated mainly as I think it's raises Mr Ickes exposure if he goes on there again - it's not the same being on Bitchute and Lbry etc). Who else has tried to do anything like that. He could well turn out to have been really important in how what's coming plays out, you don't really have to like him, or how he comes across. I actually laugh when he's got his top off and puffing his chest out. Makes me cringe to be honest. I don't really watch London Real, I don't like those "power talk" improve yourself type things they do as they're just about money in my eyes but fair play to Brian through this I think. And he clearly works very hard. Some people can't win whatever they do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Fluke said: He looks like what he is. A conman. How people cant see that is bewildering to say the least. The bloke ozzes slime. Funny that. A lot of people also believe that Icke is a conman and is only in it for the money and that he's absolutely rolling in it. It must be a bit bewildering to them how any of us can be giving so much attention to an "obvious" shill and controlled opposition. I don't believe them either. Now it could be that you super smart people with your super special "spidey senses" are genuinely onto something, but, naaaaah, I don't think so. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Alert Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Fluke said: He isn't perfect and i expect this is a simple cash and grab. He has censored people on his own platform and on youtube. He looks like what he is. A conman. How people cant see that is bewildering to say the least. The bloke ozzes slime. If you want to donate I am not going to feel sorry for you. Its the only way some people learn and stop being naive. I was there once. The pokerdot hanker gives it away I like Brian, I think he is so 1980s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Kala Namak said: Funny that. A lot of people also believe that Icke is a conman and is only in it for the money and that he's absolutely rolling in it. It must be a bit bewildering to them how any of us can be giving so much attention to an "obvious" shill and controlled opposition. I don't believe them either. Now it could be that you super smart people with your super special "spidey senses" are genuinely onto something, but, naaaaah, I don't think so. No its not funny. David Icke doesn't strike me as a narcissist. This man does. And there is evidence (see first page) that he has not only lied about the cost of a live stream, but that he is censoring actual "followers" who have donated to his so called freedom platform. Meanwhile he is still on youtube and David has been banned. Funny that. And then he plays the victim saying he is getting videos getting taking down and that he needs our help. He then tribalises his audience by naming them "the london real army". He also said that donations would stop early may. I could be wrong but i think they are still going. No doubt a lot of it went to advertising on youtube. I wasn't interested until he started this new project. As i said before i really could care less, he is not even charasmatic. But hopefully it will be a lesson in those that have given this man their money. Unless of course they enjoy being scammed. But he is successful in that he is making a killing off the backs of well meaning naive people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Orange Alert said: I like Brian, I think he is so 1980s. The geezer with the bunny in the trilby 'at Reckons he's legit but he ain't all that Arthur Daley, a little dodgy maybe, but underneath, 'E's alright. https://youtu.be/ExAjQUXuVCI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piripiriman Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) I've watched Brian Rose from the start when he used to do interviews in his kitchen with his mate, never a 'follower' as such, just kept my eye out for good guests. He changed massively when he went on Dan Penas course, then turned London Real into a business, by selling a load of shite, exceptionally over priced courses through the marketing shite he learned from Dan. I could see straight away when the first Icke interview was banned that he's seen an opportunity and basically decided to highjack the conspiracy audience to grow his business and make as much money as he could, the comments sections of his videos at the time were all sucking his cock. Not anymore, thanks to channels like CoffeeZilla, Rebel Wisdom and a bunch of smaller ones calling him out, and Brians public meltdown, the comment section seems to have done a 180, see below. Edited May 23, 2020 by piripiriman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Here's Brian's response to Vice Magazines 'axe job'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Alert Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kala Namak said: The geezer with the bunny in the trilby 'at Reckons he's legit but he ain't all that Arthur Daley, a little dodgy maybe, but underneath, 'E's alright. https://youtu.be/ExAjQUXuVCI Thank you for the link to the splendid song from Chas and Dave, it has put a smile on my face today. Some wise words from Arthur on the subject of getting ahead in business, which I think is appropriate for the topic of this thread - "You make contact with your customer. Understand their needs. And then flog them something they could do well without" "You only get out of life what you put in and a bit more if you can find a couple of mugs" Edited May 23, 2020 by Orange Alert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Basket Case said: Here's Brian's response to Vice Magazines 'axe job'... Yeah, I posted it above but my youtube embed wasn't working at the time. I thought his response could have been a bit better and was a bit fumbly in places, but regardless, I still appreciate his assistance with helping to get the message out there, and despite the intensity and persistence of his detractors in here, I think he's done a good job in that regard, and I believe the Icke team also appreciate it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Brian Rose, "You cannot 'live-stream' on bitchute.." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrA Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Stop giving random people on the internet your money and then you have nothing to complain about Its like fat people complaining that Mcadonalds.sold them.a.burger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Kala Namak said: Yeah, I posted it above but my youtube embed wasn't working at the time. Ah, sorry........l whizzed through the thread to look for it as l just finished watching. l immediately came here to post. A reasonable response and explanation by Brian IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Orange Alert said: Thank you for the link to the splendid song from Chas and Dave, it has put a smile on my face today. No worries, it brought back a few memories for me too. Just one small detail, even though they do sound similar, it's not Chas'N'Dave, it's a group called The Firm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Basket Case said: Ah, sorry........l whizzed through the thread to look for it as l just finished watching. l immediately came here to post. A reasonable response and explanation by Brian IMO. No problem, it wasn't obvious because it was a plain ol' URL. Yeah I though his response was reasonable too, I think he covered most of the points that people have been complaining about, and I also understand that he's playing cat and mouse a bit with people who really don't want these ideas and messages to get out so kudos to him for blazing the trail with David which has also imo encouraged other content creators to interview these folk. The more the ptb try to ban and silence, i think the more people will get curious and want to find out more about what is being banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrA Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Ive been listening to Icke since he was selling VHS from his website , before that even when it was just books My VHS copy of the Credo Mutwa interview is still on my shelf even though I dont have a VHS player.anymore Basically Ive only ever given.money for a product I can hold in.my hands I did not fund any TV projects and because I dont believe that TV is a healthy past time Im not going to be funding anything of the sort but thats my choice and people can make theirs But sorry if you give money to.people like Brian Rose no.matter the reasoning.behind him asking or.you giving then you really have nobody to complain to other than yourself Just let him get on with what he is doing and if he raises some.awareness while he is doing it I personally.dont care how.much.money he manages to raise If he makes himself a millionaire it doesnt matter .a.bit to.me personally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, MrA said: Just let him get on with what he is doing and if he raises some.awareness while he is doing it I personally.dont care how.much.money he manages to raise If he makes himself a millionaire it doesnt matter .a.bit to.me personally Exactly. 5 minutes ago, MrA said: My VHS copy of the Credo Mutwa interview is still on my shelf even though I dont have a VHS player.anymore l do. Send it to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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