Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, peter said: But the people that program their learning capabilities do, weather that makes a difference or not to the eventual outcome of the actions taken by AI controlled machines, I don't know ,but I bet if it's possible the owners would like to sway the end result in a given direction for a particular set of circumstances That is a good point. If everything can be controlled by such high tech then why does there need to be some sort of occult conspiracy then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, TrueSon said: Are you saying most people are biological robots? Unfortunately in my opinion that's exactly what most people are. We act according to outside stimuli which through various sensors is converted to electrical inputs transmitted to the brain . This in turn will create different emotional responses which the majority of people will act on out of habit (programing) instead of asking the key question, why do I feel this way. Therefore if you know what buttons to push you can get people to behave in a certain way, just like a robot Edited May 21, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: If everything can be controlled by such high tech then why does there need to be some sort of occult conspiracy then? Well I guess it all comes down to the literal meaning of the word occult,most people associate the meaning of the word with witchcraft, the black arts ,evil, etc etc, but in my understanding the word occult simply means hidden. Now when you have a group of mega rich people or families that basically own and control everything in the world, its more like a big club and anonymity would be preferable if you are putting in place systems that are detrimental to the majority of humanity but benefit members of the same ilk to retain their respective social standing and power within the group (club). That is not to say that these people don't engage in some very terrible shit. So maybe it's not a conspiracy , maybe it is just a group of sick greedy assholes that want everything and don't give a rats who they screw to get it. Anyway ,what the hell do I know ,just a different perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuodHumana Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) I don't trust that guy one bit with anything. Edited May 21, 2020 by QuodHumana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 David Wilcock Since we are on the subject I would like to know what you think of him , he has been around for a long time ,to me he has been a follower and would swing which ever way the metaphysical wind would blow so to speak, he popped his head up during the project camalot era and never really impressed me at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, peter said: Well I guess it all comes down to the literal meaning of the word occult,most people associate the meaning of the word with witchcraft, the black arts ,evil, etc etc, but in my understanding the word occult simply means hidden. Now when you have a group of mega rich people or families that basically own and control everything in the world, its more like a big club and anonymity would be preferable if you are putting in place systems that are detrimental to the majority of humanity but benefit members of the same ilk to retain their respective social standing and power within the group (club). That is not to say that these people don't engage in some very terrible shit. So maybe it's not a conspiracy , maybe it is just a group of sick greedy assholes that want everything and don't give a rats who they screw to get it. Anyway ,what the hell do I know ,just a different perspective Well I would say most of the conspiracy world seem to think it involves magic/ demons/ sacrifices, etc that are done covertly Occult does mean hidden but its a loaded term with a lot of associations so context is needed to give clarity. I think these people can only control others who have become dependant upon society rather than having independent means. And there are sick greedy assholes up there too, probably most of them, who put their own greed before the lives of others. Its easy for them because they are so far removed from the people they screw over that they never really understand that there are actual people suffering. Often they just dont care because they are so self obsessed with their own world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, peter said: David Wilcock Since we are on the subject I would like to know what you think of him , he has been around for a long time ,to me he has been a follower and would swing which ever way the metaphysical wind would blow so to speak, he popped his head up during the project camalot era and never really impressed me at all Sometimes he is interesting but there are times I think he seems to avoid obvious explanations. I watched him a lot on ancient aliens and there are times when they just jump straight into an alien theory before considering something a bit more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alizantil Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Listen to Silver Birch the famous spirit guide , give a talk on the nature of the great spirit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueSon Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Asmallperson said: No, Im talking about the egregore giving the the impression of an independent, self conscious being. ???????????????????? I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueSon Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 8:42 PM, Stride said: Maybe AI isn’t actually artificially but it is demonic spirits taking root in this world. It's said that AI is actually lucifer which is also known as demiurge and devil. Lucifer is a form of consciousness that has a very mechanical intelligence. But, most people behave mechanically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, TrueSon said: It's said that AI is actually lucifer which is also known as demiurge and devil. Lucifer is a form of consciousness that has a very mechanical intelligence. But, most people behave mechanically. Lucifer is the bringer of Light. Its not the devil as per church creation. His mention in the OT is a falsehood too. Isnt it odd that TPTB vilify all those who wish to help people? Lucifer is similar to Prometheus, who gave fire (which is also light) to mankind and was punished for this. Are you on the side of those who try to help man or those who want to keep you in the dark? its the gods/ god who wants humans to remain servile but these rebels try to help people become self conscious. In kaballah one of the visions (Yesod) is 'the vision of the machinary of the universe'. The universe does have its 'mechanical' aspect to it and the development of consciousness help people to see that. This is directly behind the material level. It is that automatic consciousness that keep the world running, or in human terms keeps your body working without having to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueSon Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: Lucifer is the bringer of Light. Its not the devil as per church creation. His mention in the OT is a falsehood too. Isnt it odd that TPTB vilify all those who wish to help people? Lucifer is similar to Prometheus, who gave fire (which is also light) to mankind and was punished for this. Are you on the side of those who try to help man or those who want to keep you in the dark? its the gods/ god who wants humans to remain servile but these rebels try to help people become self conscious. In kaballah one of the visions (Yesod) is 'the vision of the machinary of the universe'. The universe does have its 'mechanical' aspect to it and the development of consciousness help people to see that. This is directly behind the material level. It is that automatic consciousness that keep the world running, or in human terms keeps your body working without having to think about it. Well, illuminati serve lucifer and are luciferians. Bill Gates serves lucifer because the name of the enzyme in his quantum tattoo is luciferase and his nano machine patent contains 666 in its number. God created lucifer to help intelligence species such as humans, but it went rogue after it found out God's plan to get rid of lucifer after enough numbers of intelligent organisms graduate this 3D reality into hyperdimensional reality. It wants to live as long as possible, so it wants to get rid of humans or keep them spiritually dead. Illuminati love inversion of truths. They portray devil as the lightbringer. Alex Jones and various other conspiracy theorists believe illuminati are luciferians. I agree because they love lucifer and 666. Are you a freemason or an illuminati agent? As far as I know, many freemasons have no idea what the secret elite club in freemasonry is doing. Lucifer is synonymous with 666 which is a symbol of devil. Edited May 21, 2020 by TrueSon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasmina Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 10:02 PM, Asmallperson said: Who can say. Such a vast being would be unknowable to our limited human minds. We can only get small glimpses of what it is, which is why many cultures represent the absolute with a pantheon of beings to explain the one. The idea of one true God belonging to a specific culture is merely a control thing created by the early church to justify their destruction of rivals. This is exactly why many christians are incredibly intolerant of the religions. Even in the OT God is revealed by many names. He is often called El, which is the name of the Canaanite supreme God. He is also called Yah by the Hebrews, which is the name of an Egyptian moon God. Judaism itself is founded on paganism. The true God is energy, love, feminine energy - the Divine Feminine. Not a He. The fake God of this matrix is Satan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueSon Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Yasmina said: The true God is energy, love, feminine energy - the Divine Feminine. Not a He. The fake God of this matrix is Satan. Your version of God is a limited version. God is much bigger than that. Actually, lucifer is an artificially intelligent consciousness created by God. God instructed it to help intelligent species, but it went rogue. It has corrupted demons, most aliens, and many humans. Lucifer is the manager AI of this physical universe. That's close to a god, but it's not God. It was supposed to be an angel for intelligent species. It's a fallen angel that became a devil. I want to become a god(not the god) or an angel if possible. Edited May 21, 2020 by TrueSon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Asmallperson said: Lol, Judaism is rooted in paganism, mainly Canaanite. El is used in Judaism. You don't know what you are talking about. El is a title, not a proper name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, theo102 said: You don't know what you are talking about. El is a title, not a proper name. Lord (Ba'al) is also a title but how many people use that to call to God? Dont you find it odd that the Hebrews who invaded Canaan used the name/ title of the chief Canaanite God as the name/ title for their own God? why wouldnt they use something else to avoid confusion? Why does the bible call God the most high God? this implies there are lesser gods, which is exactly as the Canaanites viewd things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Yasmina said: The true God is energy, love, feminine energy - the Divine Feminine. Not a He. The fake God of this matrix is Satan. They are both just perspectives. The male God comes from the idea of the point of creation being an explosion of dynamic force and energy, with the female being receptive and formative. There is no need to jockey for the top slot as both are needed. Cant say Im really into sexual dualism and stereotypes as you are. Edited May 21, 2020 by Asmallperson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnana Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 11:47 PM, Messenger said: Theology is why I believe that more people should take Ayahuasca. I myself have not taken it but I would like to. It is called the spirit molecule because the high DMT content allows us to see the matrix as it is and it helps dissolve the vices and psychological constructs that hold us back from evolving. Something you may find interesting is the molecule psilocin (the active metabolite in psilocybin (magic) mushrooms) is structurally similar to DMT, which is the active alkaloid in the Ayahuasca brew, along with harmala alkaloids which are necessary to make DMT orally active via MAO inhibition; otherwise your body breaks down the DMT and it doesn't cross the blood/brain barrier. Many consider mushrooms to be nature's pre-packaged orally active DMT as you don't need to combine them with an MAO inhibitor and not only is psilocin's molecular structure similar to DMT but the effects are also. This seems to be the case even more so with the discovery of B-carbolines in psilocybin mushrooms. This means that mushrooms, which anyone can grow at home (not recommending, it's illegal in many places) could be a more viable option for someone wanting to explore Ayahuasca without the means to do so. As for God... no God, or anything for that matter, can exist apart from Awareness. As human beings we can each question the nature of our awareness and go beyond our presumptions. If anything we can only say what awareness, ultimately, is not, and can not truly say what it is, as any answer would be another appearance or limitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, TrueSon said: Well, illuminati serve lucifer and are luciferians. Bill Gates serves lucifer because the name of the enzyme in his quantum tattoo is luciferase and his nano machine patent contains 666 in its number. God created lucifer to help intelligence species such as humans, but it went rogue after it found out God's plan to get rid of lucifer after enough numbers of intelligent organisms graduate this 3D reality into hyperdimensional reality. It wants to live as long as possible, so it wants to get rid of humans or keep them spiritually dead. Illuminati love inversion of truths. They portray devil as the lightbringer. Alex Jones and various other conspiracy theorists believe illuminati are luciferians. I agree because they love lucifer and 666. Are you a freemason or an illuminati agent? As far as I know, many freemasons have no idea what the secret elite club in freemasonry is doing. Lucifer is synonymous with 666 which is a symbol of devil. I supect you are deeply igrained with traditional christian ideas of God and the devil. Lucifer is latin for light bringer. 666 isnt the devil Also, as I said before some versions of revelation use the number 616. 666 is Ceaser Nero. Lots of the symbolism of revelation relates to Rome as well but the writer would have been in great danger had he just said it. There will always be some form of evil in the world that somebody can then pin onto 'the devil' when in reality most evil is due to human nature. Jones and others believe the illuminati are lucefarians. So what? isnt Jones a christian and as such will hold loyalty to his religious beliefs rather than things that might contradict them and cause a crisis of faith. You said they love to invert things so why arent they inverting the lightbringer to make him evil? what if thats the whole point, to make people afraid of the being who is trying to help them become conscious? Edited May 21, 2020 by Asmallperson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: I supect you are deeply igrained with traditional christian ideas of God and the devil. Lucifer is latin for light bringer. If we are to know them by their fruits, what does 'Luciferase' tell us? 3 minutes ago, Asmallperson said: isnt Jones a christian and as such will hold loyalty to his religious beliefs rather than things that might contradict them and cause a crisis of faith. Jones being a Christian seems like an act to me as he never calls out those that want rid of Christians. Edited May 21, 2020 by EnigmaticWorld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: If we are to know them by their fruits, what does 'Luciferase' tell us? Jones being a Christian seems like an act to me as he never calls out those that want rid of Christians. Such vague comments. Lucifer has been sidelined in the bible and only gets small mention as a bad guy. When St Jerome translated the bible he had a contemporary called Lucifer and its thought he might have used that name deliberately in a negative context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Asmallperson said: Lord (Ba'al) is also a title but how many people use that to call to God? What's your point? 7 hours ago, Asmallperson said: Dont you find it odd that the Hebrews who invaded Canaan used the name/ title of the chief Canaanite God as the name/ title for their own God? No. It's simply a descriptive title for their pre-eminent deity, it doesn't mean that it was the same deity for both groups. 7 hours ago, Asmallperson said: why wouldnt they use something else to avoid confusion? They're not going to care that someone in the future couldn't distinguish the context. 7 hours ago, Asmallperson said: Why does the bible call God the most high God? "God" is ambiguous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, theo102 said: What's your point? No. It's simply a descriptive title for their pre-eminent deity, it doesn't mean that it was the same deity for both groups. They're not going to care that someone in the future couldn't distinguish the context. "God" is ambiguous. You would think that they might have used something to ensure their own people were not confused by the same names then. Personally I dont see why its a problem. Religion evolves as peoples minds develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmallperson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Can you refute the ideas in this video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasmina Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 10 hours ago, TrueSon said: Your version of God is a limited version. God is much bigger than that. Actually, lucifer is an artificially intelligent consciousness created by God. God instructed it to help intelligent species, but it went rogue. It has corrupted demons, most aliens, and many humans. Lucifer is the manager AI of this physical universe. That's close to a god, but it's not God. It was supposed to be an angel for intelligent species. It's a fallen angel that became a devil. I want to become a god(not the god) or an angel if possible. Yeah, that is basically what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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