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It seems to me that the best option for the Palestinians is for a new city or cities to be built for them somewhere in the Islamic world.  Perhaps Egypt, Libya, Oman.

The USA / Israel can pay huge amounts, and with large contributions from the EU and from the Oil Nations it could be done successfully.

I think it would also be a good idea to dismantle and move the Dome of the Rock and take the Rock with them, and any other Islamic shrines in the region and just leave.  Then the new cities can have a new Islamic centre and relocate the Dome of the Rock (and the Rock) and other shrines around them.

I think this is financially possible given the amount of interested parties.

And I see no other solution.

 

The viscous evil coming from Israel / USA/ UK on the subject cannot be really opposed, it is the dark wound that they carry.

Do not oppose evil.

 

I think that there are not so many muslim shrines in the area - most are simply stone houses.  They could be dismantled stone by stone along with the topsoil and graves and relocated quite easily.

 

Dome of the Rock would need more work but not that much, it's full of bullet holes anyway.  It would be better for it to be re-located somewhere far away from the evil there.  And the people too.

 

 

 

 

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erm, wtf, no.   put aside the immorality of displacement, genocide, colonialism, land theft and letting israel off the hook for their crimes against humanity you also have to put into the eq

Woah.. So we just allow evil to take over the world? What are we all doing here then, if not to discover the real truth and together find ways of changing the evil that persists in the world? The pl

Yep, like I alluded to in another post, every four years they can choose either the red flavor or the blue flavor, but at the end of the day it's the same agenda with different coloring.

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erm, wtf, no.

 

put aside the immorality of displacement, genocide, colonialism, land theft and letting israel off the hook for their crimes against humanity you also have to put into the equation that zionist bastards want to manufacture an end of times scenario with their anti-christ with jerusalem and greater israel being point and centre of that evil project.

 

the 1967 borders should be pre-conditional.

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Well obviously you are completely right.

 

But at the same time, life is the art of what is possible given the insanity and cruelty of various groups.  Certainly the Palestinians and Islamic world just suffer due to this issue.  And I think a very large amount of money could be extracted with this deal.

And from the point of view of the Palestinians, just thinking about them, it is time for them no longer to be used as "cause" in the same way charities use dead babies for their causes, so they can project their issues on the wrold.

The people need to see the end of it.

In Libya they have access to a very large aquifer with thousands of years of water in it .. and there is land aplenty.  Or lower egypt down the red sea it is sparsely populated (although there may be farms) ... or other places.

The art of what is possible.

Moving the shrines into a new Holy city and simply ceasing all communication to Israel and cutting your loses.

You have to know when to cut your losses on this planet.

 

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13 minutes ago, rideforever said:

The people need to see the end of it.

In Libya they have access to a very large aquifer with thousands of years of water in it .. and there is land aplenty.  Or lower egypt down the red sea it is sparsely populated (although there may be farms) ... or other places.

The art of what is possible.

Moving the shrines into a new Holy city and simply ceasing all communication to Israel and cutting your loses.

You have to know when to cut your losses on this planet.

 

 

How do you know Palestinians want to leave their homeland?

 

Have you done a poll?

 

I suggest the vast majority want their keys back pronto, and so would I.

 

Kick out the invaders from 1967 borders and resist the oppressive Israeli regime.

 

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19 minutes ago, Given To Fly said:

erm, wtf, no.

 

put aside the immorality of displacement, genocide, colonialism, land theft and letting israel off the hook for their crimes against humanity you also have to put into the equation that zionist bastards want to manufacture an end of times scenario with their anti-christ with jerusalem and greater israel being point and centre of that evil project.

 

the 1967 borders should be pre-conditional.

 

Plus one, out of likes. Agree the OP is crazy. Move the Dome of the Rock??????

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One strange thing that I held onto when I was young ... was a mortal fear of ... well I noticed that people would never change.  If they did something for 10 years, then they would never change it ... because it was like losing 10 years.

If you do something for 20 years and somehow you realise it was not good ... it's hard to be honest.  Because to be honest means you feel the crushing grief that you lost 20 years.   And if you've done it for 30 years .... even worse.

It's this ever tightening noose around your neck.

I was terrified of that.

 

This world is full of evil.

And the way I see it, everyone takes a beating once in a while.

You have to accept that, and cut your loses.

 

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The viscous evil coming from Israel / USA/ UK on the subject cannot be really opposed, it is the dark wound that they carry.

Do not oppose evil. 

Woah.. So we just allow evil to take over the world? What are we all doing here then, if not to discover the real truth and together find ways of changing the evil that persists in the world? The plight of the Palestinians is the model by which we will all be living before too long, if we do as you suggest. They have been heroically standing their ground against overwhelming odds, with very little help from our zionist governments in the ‘west’. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forcibly removed from their homes in 1947 and subsequently their homeland has been systematically reduced in size continuously to this day. Their homes and crops are constantly being destroyed, their children are being injured, arrested, imprisoned and monitored. Have the Palestinian people at any stage thought of giving up their ancestral land, where they belong, to move to ‘safety’? Is that what you would have us all do?

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2 hours ago, rideforever said:

One strange thing that I held onto when I was young ... was a mortal fear of ... well I noticed that people would never change.  If they did something for 10 years, then they would never change it ... because it was like losing 10 years.

If you do something for 20 years and somehow you realise it was not good ... it's hard to be honest.  Because to be honest means you feel the crushing grief that you lost 20 years.   And if you've done it for 30 years .... even worse.

It's this ever tightening noose around your neck.

I was terrified of that.

 

This world is full of evil.

And the way I see it, everyone takes a beating once in a while.

You have to accept that, and cut your loses.

 

 

I noticed you said on another thread you would like the "re-establishment of Christianity in the US" Are you are Christian Zionist?

 

Because that would explain your ideas on this thread, matching your religious dogma.

 

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57 minutes ago, Lore said:

Woah.. So we just allow evil to take over the world? What are we all doing here then, if not to discover the real truth and together find ways of changing the evil that persists in the world? The plight of the Palestinians is the model by which we will all be living before too long, if we do as you suggest. They have been heroically standing their ground against overwhelming odds, with very little help from our zionist governments in the ‘west’. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forcibly removed from their homes in 1947 and subsequently their homeland has been systematically reduced in size continuously to this day. Their homes and crops are constantly being destroyed, their children are being injured, arrested, imprisoned and monitored. Have the Palestinian people at any stage thought of giving up their ancestral land, where they belong, to move to ‘safety’? Is that what you would have us all do?

 

Bravo and well said. Out of reactions atm.

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"Resist not evil"
"Vengeance is mine"

 

This reminds me of a lot of British mythology of the glorious Captain Scott and his "heroic" death riding ponies on glaciers ... hmm great plan.  Meanwhile Amundsen sledded his way to and back from the pole with no problems.   Let's all clap for our heroes.  Something a bit dumb about all that.

 

If I was Palestinian, should I stay in rubble with festering darkness on the other side ?  What for ?  To please the white man who wishes to project his insecurities on me ?  Defeat the virus, Defeat the middle east, Defeat "terror" .... it's boring now.

 

I would be very grateful to walk in to a new city of my nation in the Islamic lands with all the holy relics ... and for the first time in my get a good night's sleep.

 

Resist evil ?
Well it's worth a shot, but what is the point in continuing to fight a war that you will lose when you can walk into a house in your own land ?  This world is full of evil, have no illusions, better to be practical.

Evil is not really resisted through war, only rarely.  It is resisted through wisdom, through choosing well with what is at hand ... with no thought to how you look.

Same with the current degeneracy, those who are practical do much better in my opinion.

Others simply drown in the swamp, and others imagine they are fighting it.

 

 

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On 5/17/2020 at 10:56 PM, Golden Retriever said:

I noticed you said on another thread you would like the "re-establishment of Christianity in the US" Are you are Christian Zionist?

  

Every Christian I've ever personally met has been a rabid Zionist. 

 

I know this is not representative of every Christian but I assume those who are exceptions must be rare. Christianity, whether you like it or not, is inextricably linked with Judaism.

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4 hours ago, entelechy said:

Every Christian I've ever personally met has been a rabid Zionist. Criticize Israel or question dearly held and protected assumptions about WWII, they immediately start frothing-at-the-mouth and wildly shouting, 'Nazi, Nazi'.

 

I know this is not representative of every Christian but I assume those who are exceptions must be rare. Christianity, whether you like it or not, is inextricably linked with Judaism.

 

I think in the main you are correct about Christians in the USA, but not necessarily elswhere.

 

Who wants to be a Friend of Israel when they have people like this representing them? Sadly it's the majority of British Jews, but I know

there are a minority of Jewish people who don't want to be a part of the deception.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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To understand the Palestinian viewpoint and therefore understand why the OP's plan wouldn't be a runner, you'd really need to "walk a mile in their shoes" so to speak.

In my country our ancestors went from being free to enduring 700 years of oppression and foreign rule.

It's not just a case of land or buildings or religious artifacts, it's a matter of culture, history and a sense of belonging. It's their home.

The OP may believe that it's the logical thing to do, but in these type of situations logic doesn't enter into the equation. 

If we didn't bow to the might of the British empire in 700 years, I doubt the Palestinian people will.

We became such a pain in the ass to the British over such a long period of time that they simply got tired of dealing with a bunch of loonies.

The sad thing is that after fighting for freedom for such a long time we're now walking like sheep into global slavery by weapons no more powerful than the iphone and facebook.

Maybe that's what they should do if they want to defeat the Palestinians.

Give them all iphones, social media and a cushy life and within a couple of generations they may forget about their ancestors and their history and simply sleepwalk into oblivion.

It would appear that the ipad is indeed mightier than the sword (or in this case the Uzi)

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On 5/18/2020 at 2:49 PM, Storm in the garden said:

It's not just a case of land or buildings or religious artifacts, it's a matter of culture, history and a sense of belonging. It's their home.

 

Sometimes life is telling you something ... listen or you are doomed.

Of course it's an evil situation in the Levant, but what can you do.

It happens to everyone, the festering darkness expands in an area ... and you can fight and fight hard, but if it fails you should leave.  You can't "just leave" at the first sign of trouble, but if the writing is on the wall then you should in fact leave.

Life is much better if you are simply practical .. take care of filling bellies, of having a roof over your head ... that comes first before ideologies.

Once you are in a conflict like that ... when will end ?  Everyone hates everyone.  Everyone knows people who died, they are religiously existentially angry.  Everyone wants to kill, to take revenge.  
In this situation between Palestinians and the other groups, the justice of the matter is clear to see ... but ... 

This is a difficult world, it's not a perfect world, and there is an art to knowing when it's time to leave.

Even Julius Caesar rejected many battles, and refused to fight, because the conditions were poor ... because he would have lost needlessly.

Practically and financially speaking I think it's all very do-able.

And if not my forecast is simply for the death of Palestinians, and already many are living in other countries ... they will be absorbed into other nations, and Palestinians will cease to exist.  Isn't that what is going to happen?  For decades I campaigned on the issue for justice ... but ...

The area has become a cancer on the planet full of violent and evil energies and dark people involved.  Get out now is my advice.   Yes you will "lose" ... but you will also "win".  Otherwise you will actually "lose" everything.

 

Knowing little about Islam I have looked it up and it seems that Islam / Muhammed's connection with the Temple Mount is of only slim relevance to Islam, it's not important at all really ... Muhammed may have been there briefly in a dream journey and met other saints there ... all fine, but no particular need to plant a giant mosque there.  Better take the whole lot to Saudi Arabia, all the Islamic artifacts ... and just make a new city - that seems inspirational to me ... you could have the Dome of the Rock as the centre piece of a new city with the artifacts in a large gardens for visiting, sure to be popular for visitors and the city spread out around there.

 

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11 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Sometimes life is telling you something ... listen or you are doomed.

Of course it's an evil situation in the Levant, but what can you do.

It happens to everyone, the festering darkness expands in an area ... and you can fight and fight hard, but if it fails you should leave.  You can't "just leave" at the first sign of trouble, but if the writing is on the wall then you should in fact leave.

Life is much better if you are simply practical .. take care of filling bellies, of having a roof over your head ... that comes first before ideologies.

Once you are in a conflict like that ... when will end ?  Everyone hates everyone.  Everyone knows people who died, they are religiously existentially angry.  Everyone wants to kill, to take revenge.  
In this situation between Palestinians and the other groups, the justice of the matter is clear to see ... but ... 

This is a difficult world, it's not a perfect world, and there is an art to knowing when it's time to leave.

Even Julius Caesar rejected many battles, and refused to fight, because the conditions were poor ... because he would have lost needlessly.

Practically and financially speaking I think it's all very do-able.

And if not my forecast is simply for the death of Palestinians, and already many are living in other countries ... they will be absorbed into other nations, and Palestinians will cease to exist.  Isn't that what is going to happen?  For decades I campaigned on the issue for justice ... but ...

The area has become a cancer on the planet full of violent and evil energies and dark people involved.  Get out now is my advice.   Yes you will "lose" ... but you will also "win".  Otherwise you will actually "lose" everything.

 

Knowing little about Islam I have looked it up and it seems that Islam / Muhammed's connection with the Temple Mount is of only slim relevance to Islam, it's not important at all really ... Muhammed may have been there briefly in a dream journey and met other saints there ... all fine, but no particular need to plant a giant mosque there.  Better take the whole lot to Saudi Arabia, all the Islamic artifacts ... and just make a new city - that seems inspirational to me ... you could have the Dome of the Rock as the centre piece of a new city with the artifacts in a large gardens for visiting, sure to be popular for visitors and the city spread out around there.

 

It was the first place to face and pray towards, before Mecca.

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On 5/17/2020 at 10:03 PM, Scott Kirkland said:

Israel could of been set up in any desert, there is plenty of space,

Instead it was just dropped on top of the poor Palastinians.

 

Israel was going to be set up in Madagascar originally. 

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I can't get behind moving Palestinian homes and graves, the Dome either. There is more to it. There are energy vortexes there which is why the Zionists want the land so bad.


In my research of 9-11 and all things related I came across this presentation with Michael Tellinger and Jim Marrs a few years ago where he gives a basic run down of what happened with 9-11 and Saddam, israel, the real Semitic people, etc, and it's very fascinating IMO.

 

Apparently Saddam found a portal to another dimension in the Ziggurat of Ur and the only people who could enter it were the Palestinian priests. He says, two went in, after putting on their robes, and three came back! 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat_of_Ur

 

Marrs comes on the stage at Part 5.
 

 

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Why should we let the Israeli government have their way and let people move to some other place/country? What should be done is very simple, sanctions for all the land that they occupy and the homes they bulldoze. It can be done today if political leaders had the balls.

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On 5/19/2020 at 1:20 PM, song said:

Why should we let the Israeli government have their way and let people move to some other place/country? What should be done is very simple, sanctions for all the land that they occupy and the homes they bulldoze. It can be done today if political leaders had the balls.

 

... and if they dont, what then will you do?

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If politicians don't listen and companies and the masses aren't prepared to boycot Israel themselves, the occupation continues like it has been since forever sadly. But, the last thing that should be done is to give Israel green light with a plan of moving Palestinians to another place and let Israel take over. That would be absolute betrayal.

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