kj35 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) I think this whole topic was intentionally created by the 1% ers as another way to get those of us who are awake to argue with each other instead of keeping the spotlight firmly on them. It DOESN'T MATTER. Whether it is flat, round,or sky blue pink elephants on ice cubes.....it DOESN'T MATTER. We've been lied too. Whatever it is..We've been and are continually still LIED TO. About EVERYTHING. What matters is that we keep an eye and keep outing the 1%ers. Edited September 21, 2020 by kj35 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolandson Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 David icke had a qoute from Andy Kaufman on the Answer on Saturday about consciousness and can't find it anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 18 hours ago, dollazNdiamond said: We love, love, love this topic. Our astronomy club at school is looking at flat earth stuff. We just got done with 200 proofs. D I'm glad your not my teacher , I hope the crap memes and videos you have put up so far as evidence are not part of the 200 proofs and that your giving the kids a balanced view from both sides of the debate. Your aerospace engineer g flat (AKA amy G) hasn't got a clue what mars is anymore (his words) so what do you tell the kids when they are looking at mars , Jupiter or Saturn for that matter?. If you want to be taken seriously try coming up with a FE working model that takes into account all the observable artifacts we see in our solar system as an integrated homogeneous singular entity , but if all you can come up with are stupid memes and videos from u tube made by people with a vested financial interest that prey on the gullible, that's never going to happen. If this is all you are filling the students heads with you should be ashamed of yourself. If your not the teacher I apologize, however as kj35 has said ,it doesn't matter what shape the bloody earth is but at present the model we have at the moment explains it rather admirably so sharpen yourself up and come up with a better one that explains the flat Earth instead re hashing stuff that was put 40 or 60 pages ago, it's rather tedious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollazNdiamond Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 were students lolol why are you antiscience types so angry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Mate, I'm not angry I think your laughable and belong in the humor thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy G Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Well, this sure has escalated quickly. I may have some new information to ad, as I have not seen the Anthem Veterans Memorial discussed. I have been working with a few colleagues on three problems that we are trying to model. This is one of them because the explanation given for this in the heliocentric narrative can not be replicated based on the given evidence. The narrative claims their Great Seal will be illuminated at 11:11:11 AM every November 11th (11/11) and will only vary less than a second for the next century. They do love their numbers. Any suggestions on how we might be able to model this observation based io the heliocentric model without making astronomical assumptions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy G Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, dollazNdiamond said: were students lolol why are you antiscience types so angry? Good on you kids! I hope you have thick skin if you plan on being here long. Globe believers who post here (paid or not) really are angry. My globe believer friends in real life... not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, dollazNdiamond said: dollaz here. I am sorry about my BF 2 members - 1 account ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Basket Case said: 2 members - 1 account ? And still nothing to say. Can you advise them both that I live in England and would love a job with NASA - so if they are connected could they put in a word. Or alternatively they could STFU about it because it is personal bollocks? This was the thread I meant btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, amy G said: Good on you kids! I hope you have thick skin if you plan on being here long. Globe believers who post here (paid or not) really are angry. My globe believer friends in real life... not so much. No, don't be silly. They're not angry. Just frustrated at the appalling evasion exhibited by you and the other flat earthers. If you were honest in your posting you would be able to let in poroper information and dig yourself out of the quagmire of nonsense you are in. Now: which one of you flat earthers is kind enough to "educate" us all. 1. How far away is the Sun? 2. How can ANYTHING above the eyeline dip below the horizon without changing size? Or you can all run away and pretend you know something when you are as far away from the truth as you could get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, dollazNdiamond said: I also find it astonishing that it was his behavior that locked the thread and not the nasa employee who was previously banned, yet has been allowed to return and has been spamming the thread with the exact long winded cut and pastes throughout both of his forays. This is a technique used to stifle debates like this. You don't understand what the word "spamming" means. It isn't when somebody kicks your butt and you get all cross about it. It isn't when they tear your woeful arguments to shreds and you are afraid to respond. You can't even answer one single basic question. See above. The Sun. Two questions. Answer either one with the collective "insight" of your "astronomy club" Edited September 21, 2020 by Comedy Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 23 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said: Repetition of the same old mantras, like "research Flat Earth!" and posting the same memes and videos over and over again. When the topic becomes unlocked, lets please have some original discussion and debate about this, rather than just posting the same stuff over and over again same old questions are repeated with the addendum ..."and i still havent had an answer" .... which in turn gets a repeated response or the same question is asked that was answered (in some way ) 90 pages before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 hours ago, amy G said: I have been working with a few colleagues on three problems that we are trying to model. This is one of them because the explanation given for this in the heliocentric narrative can not be replicated based on the given evidence. The narrative claims their Great Seal will be illuminated at 11:11:11 AM every November 11th (11/11) and will only vary less than a second for the next century. They do love their numbers. Any suggestions on how we might be able to model this observation based io the heliocentric model without making astronomical assumptions? How can the explanation not be replicated? Apart from 'astronomical' what other assumptions can be made? As I see it the earth spins on its axis every 24 hours, and orbits the Sun once every 365 days. On that basis, it should be possible to calculate where the sun will be in the sky at a specific time every year. Of course, the Egyptians and other ancient civilisations also used the same principles when building their pyramids and other such temples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, zArk said: same old questions are repeated with the addendum ..."and i still havent had an answer" .... which in turn gets a repeated response or the same question is asked that was answered (in some way ) 90 pages before How about you urinate or get off the pot! You've been asked hundreds of questions all avoided and large posts that you completely bypassed, despite numerous requests to answer them. You are a flat earther. How does the Sun set with no size change? It's fairly straight forward. I did a quick analysis showing that the Sun according to flat earthers is 3000 miles up and MUST be 85,000 miles away when it is 2 degrees above the horizon, 4 sun widths. But hey, let's do 1 sun width 1/2 degree - just touching the horizon (ignoring refraction): http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm a=3000 A=0.5 From observer to the sun is............................................ 344,000 bloody miles!!!! Impossible at every level!! Or maybe one of the new comedy posters thinks it isn't 3000 miles but is actually only something like 50 ludicrous miles (a million facepalms!!). As the sun dips three quarters over the horizon it's 1/8 degree to its top: a=50 A=0.125 It's now 22,900 bloody miles away!!!! How can any flat earther not see the major problem here. Not one will answer this....and everyone who knows it is a globe can see why! OWNED - /THREAD @amy G @alexa @dollazNdiamond SHHHHHHH. Edited September 21, 2020 by Comedy Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, Comedy Time said: You've been asked hundreds of questions all avoided and large posts that you completely bypassed, despite numerous requests to answer them. You are a flat earther. absolute rubbish. i went through all your brain issues trying to assist you in recognising the incompatibility of sphere science with the solar eclipse and you deny deny deny but my point is validated by yourself it is the sphere fanatics who consistently repeat the same question and ignore the responses they dislike lets find a new issue. the sun size has been attended to many times in this thread, at least be bothered to go back and read the responses .. gah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) This use to be keystage 3 and up in UK schools. Lord knows what they're teaching now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDHnWptz5Jo&list=PLi01XoE8jYogOB4JQXn3rn2BviSupXUEA&index=7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3dIGJqRDU&list=PLi01XoE8jYogOB4JQXn3rn2BviSupXUEA&index=8&pbjreload=101 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbXVpdlmYZo&list=PLi01XoE8jYogOB4JQXn3rn2BviSupXUEA&index=9 Edited September 21, 2020 by serpentine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, zArk said: absolute rubbish. i went through all your brain issues trying to assist you in recognising the incompatibility of sphere science with the solar eclipse and you deny deny deny but my point is validated by yourself it is the sphere fanatics who consistently repeat the same question and ignore the responses they dislike lets find a new issue. the sun size has been attended to many times in this thread, at least be bothered to go back and read the responses .. gah! The questions are being repeated because not one of you people has the honesty to answer any of them! Your solar eclipse blunderings are hilarious and you have th audacity to claim that there is an invisible pizza causing it because you should be able to see a new moon, but strangely not the invisible pizza. How crazy is that! Show me where you answered anything relating to no size change, a sun above eye-line dipping below the damn horizon. The distance involved! The sun has NOT been attended to whatsoever. I entered this thread with some brainless youtube video that I tore apart - zero responses to that! Answer that last post. You people are a bunch of comedians aren't you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, zArk said: it is the sphere fanatics who consistently repeat the same question and ignore the responses they dislike lets find a new issue. the sun size has been attended to many times in this thread, at least be bothered to go back and read the responses .. gah! Show us a post, apart from the lame video with the piece of string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy G Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said: How can the explanation not be replicated? Apart from 'astronomical' what other assumptions can be made? As I see it the earth spins on its axis every 24 hours, and orbits the Sun once every 365 days. On that basis, it should be possible to calculate where the sun will be in the sky at a specific time every year. Are you familiar with the Earth's tensor of inertia and how we calculate it based on global gravity field solutions? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225778708_Estimation_of_the_Earth's_tensor_of_inertia_from_recent_global_gravity_field_solutions If you can get through the above work, I believe you will see one of the problems we are having with modeling this. Another problem that might be easier to understand has to do with light refraction which we know varies based on multiple factors that no one can determine beforehand. 6 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said: Of course, the Egyptians and other ancient civilisations also used the same principles when building their pyramids and other such temples. I am not sure what you mean here as far as "used the same principles." The ancients knew these things for sure, but they knew they were on a plane that was fixed and they had already figured out that the celestial objects were moving above us. Edited September 22, 2020 by amy G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, amy G said: The ancients knew these things for sure, but they knew they were on a plane that was fixed and they had already figured out that the celestial objects were moving above us. Thank you amy G, I've been saying this for a while now. Why is it that ppl always assume that the ancients were dumb & stupid ? They were far from it when it came down to the earth & the celestial skies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, serpentine said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbXVpdlmYZo&list=PLi01XoE8jYogOB4JQXn3rn2BviSupXUEA&index=9 Aa the teacher points out in the third video use of Kepler's 3rd law and knowing the gravitational constant allows for the calculation of the mass of the Earth and also the mass of the Sun. These later astronomers using technology more advanced than the Greeks, Egyptians etc made accurate celestial measurements and applied the trigonometric principles of the Greeks. Measurement's of the size of the Sun took slightly longer. Edited September 22, 2020 by serpentine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, amy G said: Are you familiar with the Earth's tensor of inertia and how we calculate it based on global gravity field solutions? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225778708_Estimation_of_the_Earth's_tensor_of_inertia_from_recent_global_gravity_field_solutions Are you familiar with how the paper collated the results!? It's like a comedy routine, with you suggesting that all of a sudden you are an academic and understand things when you have been presented with simple trigonometry detailing the motion of the Sun and ignored it. Your paper written by suitably clever people uses SATELLITES that orbit the planet to derive data in gravity variations. They also use VLBI in BOTH hemispheres to establish milliarcsecond variations for time references. That would suggest they aren't glued on to a frickin' dome!! They also are building a gravitational global reference. That suggests they believe in gravity and understand it a little. 5 hours ago, amy G said: If you can get through the above work, I believe you will see one of the problems we are having with modeling this. "We"? It's a problem of minutiae. The Earth is not an even planet and consequently gravitational variances alter its motion very slightly. 5 hours ago, amy G said: Another problem that might be easier to understand has to do with light refraction which we know varies based on multiple factors that no one can determine beforehand. There is no problem at all. Astronomers all know about light refraction and the only detrimental factor involved is observation of stars closer to the horizon. I posted a number of resources that gave brilliant mathematical constants and formulae to adjust refraction amounts. https://aty.sdsu.edu/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html https://aty.sdsu.edu/mirages/mirsims/std/std.html https://aty.sdsu.edu/mirages/mirsims/loom/loom.html 5 hours ago, amy G said: The ancients knew these things for sure, but they knew they were on a plane that was fixed and they had already figured out that the celestial objects were moving above us. They didn't have the technology available today. How ancient do you want to go? Copernicus established that things were how they are by simple observation! https://cseligman.com/text/sky/retrograde.htm Edited September 22, 2020 by Comedy Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 12 hours ago, zArk said: the same question is asked that was answered (in some way ) 90 pages before Yes I totally agree, the three words (in some way) speaks volumes as to the caliber of the replies , if they are answered at all and not ignored outright,usually one of three things will happen 1 answered with a dumb ass meme or video 2 answered with another question or something that is not related to the original query 3 answering a part of the original question that is taken completely out of context. I know there will be protests ,chest thumping and blustering , but for anyone interested go and look for yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 @thread new issue please 11 hours ago, Comedy Time said: I did a quick analysis showing that the Sun according to flat earthers is 3000 miles up and MUST be 85,000 miles away when it is 2 degrees above the horizon, 4 sun widths. But hey, let's do 1 sun width 1/2 degree - just touching the horizon (ignoring refraction): wow 4 sun widths ... nice assumption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 @thread still chuckling about the 'space video' glitching images of the earth https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5513-the-reality-of-our-physical-plane-v2/&do=findComment&comment=162827 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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