Carlos Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 7 hours ago, zArk said: lol fella, i have said how i started looking at the inconsistencies in the sphere/globe thoery the inconsistencies are not dependent upon observer, the inconsistencies are the fault of the globe model Horseshit. The "inconsistencies" are caused by poor education, closed mindedness to actual science, wishful thinking and the old favourite a consistent need to ignore simple and provable explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) Challenge to zArk that of course you will not take up. Flat earthers say the Moon and Sun are up around 3000 miles high and that the Moon simply moves across the face of the Sun. Now for the Sun to be 1/2 a degree across the sky and 3000 miles away, this is the case: http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm Now punch in the figures, edge c is 3000, angle A is 0.25 degrees. Gives edge a as 13.1 miles. Multiply by 2 to get 1/2 degree. The Sun is 26.2 miles wide. But weirdly, the dumbasses at the flat earth society don't appear to be able to do simple geometry!! https://wiki.tfes.org/Moon "The Moon is a revolving sphere. It has a diameter of 32 miles and is located approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the earth." "The Sun is a revolving sphere. It has a diameter of 32 miles and is located approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the Earth." LMFAO!! My first thought is GTFO, my second is show me how close the Moon must be to cast the appropriate shadow size! For 2017 that would be 60km wide!! The Moon MUST be smaller than the Sun to cast a shadow, yet according to the knuckle draggers at the FE society they are the same size. The maximum size shadow is the same size as the Sun. IMPOSSIBLE!! Edited August 23, 2020 by Carlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) Music to my ears Edited August 24, 2020 by alexa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Carlos said: Flat earthers say the Moon and Sun are up around 3000 miles high and that the Moon simply moves across the face of the Sun. Diameter of the earth = 7919 miles, so circumference = 7919 * pi miles. For a flat earth the maximum distance between any two points is the diameter, which is the same as the circumference as a spherical earth. The minimum angle of the sun above the horizon = arctan 3000/(7919 * pi) = 6.87 degrees. At that distance the angular size of sun = arctan (32 / 7979 * pi) = 0.07 degrees (the true angular size of the sun is 0.5 degrees) So... the sun can never set on a flat earth. Edited August 24, 2020 by theo102 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 4 hours ago, alexa said: Music to my ears Wow, even flat earth songs are total shite. This video below represents proper research and in depth analysis. It is so comprehensive it tears the arse from your useless and evasive argument. Why are to so afraid to be wrong? Your "Lord" built the most beautiful thing imaginable and you think it's a crackpot flying pizza! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Carlos said: Why are to so afraid to be wrong? Your "Lord" built the most beautiful thing imaginable and you think it's a crackpot flying pizza! I've explained all this in The reality of our physical plane Look it up ................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) Edited August 24, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RE:fresh Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Stop being dumbasses. What a waste of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 4:48 PM, Carlos said: Flat earthers say the Moon and Sun are up around 3000 miles high and that the Moon simply moves across the face of the Sun. i thought the FE believe the moon to be above the sun in distance from the land? 3000 miles....hmm dunno fella i have seen many FE explanations showing a number of lands separated by a dome type structure in each of the separate lands there exists different sky objects i have even seen explanation that the sun is outside this lands dome and this causes the night/day seasonal difference across all the lands it is spherists who are absolutists not FE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 16 hours ago, alexa said: I've explained all this in The reality of our physical plane Look it up ................. Nice dodge. You are lying, you have explained nothing and neither has the thread starter. He has merely cobbled together some videos that confuse him. You are the reason why flat earthers are laughed at. Instead of debating and easily explaining your case with diagrams, references and simple explanations you run away. Instead of explaining huge posts that show you are wrong you just ignore them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 14 hours ago, zArk said: "trolling video" The irony. You put up a video saying "No amount of evidence will convince an idiot". Not when they ignore it - like you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 14 hours ago, zArk said: i thought the FE believe the moon to be above the sun in distance from the land? Do they? Tell me how that works for a solar eclipse! Explain my diagram. The higher the elevation for the Sun the absolute crazy worse it gets to explain what we see. 14 hours ago, zArk said: 3000 miles....hmm dunno fella i have seen many FE explanations showing a number of lands separated by a dome type structure in each of the separate lands there exists different sky objects A total provable crock of shite. Multiple domes now - I refer you to the video you just posted. The Sun passes from dome to dome does it? 14 hours ago, zArk said: i have even seen explanation that the sun is outside this lands dome and this causes the night/day seasonal difference across all the lands No, you haven't seen anything of the sort. You have seen nonsense and lack the intelligence to be able to work out why you are being hoodwinked. Multiple domes - you can't make up this level of delusion. Explain: The Sun moves 15 degrees an hour everywhere on Earth. It never changes size no matter what elevation or how "far away" on the "flat earth". It sets, it rises. When you see the Sun set, if you gain elevation you can still see the Sun and watch it set again. Now draw me the light path on a flat earth to explain that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, Carlos said: Nice dodge. You are lying, you have explained nothing and neither has the thread starter. On 8/18/2020 at 11:30 PM, oddsnsods said: You explain to me how the sun sets on a flat plane in your own words. Alexa said: The sun doesn't actually set it carries on going through what is called the 6 portals or Gates throughout the night. There are 12 portals in total in which the sun travels through in 24 hrs. The sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east. PS Edit Edit It just seems like the sun is setting but in actual fact it is still traveling around. This is on page 79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, alexa said: On 8/18/2020 at 11:30 PM, oddsnsods said: You explain to me how the sun sets on a flat plane in your own words. Alexa said: The sun doesn't actually set it carries on going through what is called the 6 portals or Gates throughout the night. There are 12 portals in total in which the sun travels through in 24 hrs. The sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east. PS Edit Edit It just seems like the sun is setting but in actual fact it is still traveling around. This is on page 79 GIBBERISH! Explain it properly that is just total meaningless nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, Carlos said: Do they? Tell me how that works for a solar eclipse! because the spherists theory doesnt work out! lmao 31 minutes ago, Carlos said: A total provable crock of shite. Multiple domes now - I refer you to the video you just posted. The Sun passes from dome to dome does it? brilliant thanks for that insight 32 minutes ago, Carlos said: No, you haven't seen anything of the sort. You have seen nonsense and lack the intelligence to be able to work out why you are being hoodwinked. Multiple domes - you can't make up this level of delusion. oh yes i have 33 minutes ago, Carlos said: Explain: The Sun moves 15 degrees an hour everywhere on Earth. It never changes size no matter what elevation or how "far away" on the "flat earth". It sets, it rises. When you see the Sun set, if you gain elevation you can still see the Sun and watch it set again. i think the observable size does change especially as the line of sight is lower to the apparent horizon due to density of air do you feel it should nt change size? do you think its ok to apply 'visual effect' in some circumstances but in others visual effects are bunkum? i.e the sun travelling across the sky observed east to west but in your philosophy the sun is central and it is the spinning earth that creates the effect but then you switch tactics and in the case of the Sun you claim it never changes size because it is observed to be the same very odd how you compartmentalise observed fact and visual trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, zArk said: because the spherists theory doesnt work out! lmao Nice dodge, answer the question! If the Moon is higher than the Sun how does it move across the face of the Sun? If it is the same elevation as the Sun as Flat earthers claim how the hell does it cast a 60km shadow!? 6 minutes ago, zArk said: i think the observable size does change especially as the line of sight is lower to the apparent horizon due to density of air do you feel it should nt change size? You think that do you? So some bizarre and provably inaccurate thing crosses your mind and you feel the need to write it down? I know it doesn't change size. Air density doesn't alter the size at the horizon or anywhere else it's around 0.5 degrees. Again you dodge the question! How is it remotely possible that it does this in the first place. Fun fact for kids: Things get smaller as they move away. But not the Sun?? How come - explain properly! 6 minutes ago, zArk said: do you think its ok to apply 'visual effect' in some circumstances but in others visual effects are bunkum? Do you mean the refraction of light around the horizon? Or the way heat and pressure vary this? It's basic physics. 6 minutes ago, zArk said: i.e the sun travelling across the sky observed east to west but in your philosophy the sun is central and it is the spinning earth that creates the effect but then you switch tactics and in the case of the Sun you claim it never changes size because it is observed to be the same I'm reading it but it is just more nonsensical observation. None of this is "my philosphy". It is proven beyond EVERY shadow of doubt. The Earth rotates once every 24hrs. The Sun is 93 million miles away. As the Earth rotates the Sun comes into view(rises), travels across the sky and disappears from view(sets). It never changes size(tiny changes from orbital distance notwithstanding). Nor should it. None of this is possible on a flat Earth. The Sun could never set or rise, an object above eyeline cannot drop below eyeline! A receding object always gets smaller. How can you be so dumb not to see this? 6 minutes ago, zArk said: very odd how you compartmentalise observed fact and visual trick Not odd that this stunning non compartmentalised thing confuses you. No visual trick, just your piss poor observation and understanding of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Carlos said: If the Moon is higher than the Sun how does it move across the face of the Sun? ahh another assumption regarding the object that causes the solar eclipse 27 minutes ago, Carlos said: The Earth rotates once every 24hrs. The Sun is 93 million miles away. As the Earth rotates the Sun comes into view(rises), travels across the sky and disappears from view(sets). and yet the solar eclipse real disavows these assumptions and calculations give up the nonsense Carlos, the eclipse cant be explained using 24hrs, 15degrees an hour, sun , moon 0.5 degree , east west ... the real has disproven the theory. its sunk. wipe the board clean and start from scratch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, zArk said: ahh another assumption regarding the object that causes the solar eclipsees Wait, what? I mean WHAT? So you are saying it's not the Moon now? But some invisible other object that follows the exact path of the Moon in the sky? REALLY? https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=6RycG3oh&id=CECB2433027480DB9D06630A72553B18904D8E8E&thid=OIP.6RycG3ohR6lIVv8PZyA9lwHaE2&mediaurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mreclipse.com%2FSEphoto%2FTSE2006%2Fimage%2FT06-cmp207mw.JPG&exph=500&expw=763&q=Solar+Eclipse+Of+July+11%2c+2010&simid=608013880019848107&ck=7E96591110955CF31ABDD12AAF04C6F2&selectedindex=2&form=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&pivotparams=insightsToken%3Dccid_TcZhNOX0*cp_DD29881085AFEB3C65EDC7247C156A11*mid_8468C025F301B386252F4773D6CA1D4294F39913*simid_607988823100950801*thid_OIP.TcZhNOX0TnrhGzKxdgqAKQHaE7&vt=2&iss=VSI&sim=1 43 minutes ago, zArk said: and yet the solar eclipse real disavows these assumptions and calculations No it doesn't. You see the world has people called physicists, astronomers, cosmologists and they explain things perfectly. Some dickhead on youtube who doesn't understand reality and makes numerous incorrect assumptions and observations doesn't actually count. The eclipse does exactly what it should do, exactly as predicted and exactly as the Moon moves. 43 minutes ago, zArk said: give up the nonsense Carlos, the eclipse cant be explained using 24hrs, 15degrees an hour, sun , moon 0.5 degree , east west ... the real has disproven the theory. its sunk. Hot air from your backside. You evade and squirm but cannot answer any of the questions posed. Explain on a flat earth how the Sun moves always the same size and speed and disappears. You cannot Explain exactly how an eclipse works - it's the Moon. If it is an imaginary object prove it!! Looks like the Moon to me. Edited August 25, 2020 by Carlos added link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Baynham Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I posted this a few pages back,I post again because here is an explanation of how the sun moves. A talk filled with things that you will not of heard before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Lady Baynham said: I posted this a few pages back,I post again because here is an explanation of how the sun moves. A talk filled with things that you will not of heard before. Yep, I can confirm that I have not heard that immense pile of dog-do before. I flicked through it hoping to catch a bit that is referenced, accurate, fully explains things but couldn't find anything. Can you save people the absolute blackboard nail scratching chore of wading through this 2hrs plus of toilet-rinse and offer a summary as to how the Sun moves as taken from this video? How does the Sun set? Why does it stay the same size? Why does it move the same speed? That sort of thing. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Polite notice Can all members please mind their tone when posting? Insults and abuse just add credence to the belief that this whole 'flat vs globe debate' is a distraction and yet another divisive device. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Baynham Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 @ 44.45 theres a point of interest. You can have fun with that to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Lady Baynham said: @ 44.45 theres a point of interest. You can have fun with that to begin with. Big Diomede Soviet "owned": Anadyr Standard Time Time zone in Big Diomede (GMT+12) Wednesday, 26 August 2020, 02:03 Little Diomede US "owned": Alaska Daylight Time Time zone in Little Diomede Island (GMT-8) Tuesday, 25 August 2020, 06:04 There was no fun to be had. One has a different time zone determined by the owning government( and on opposite times of the International Date Line - bizarre but true). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands I watched her video and laughed at her basic mistake in failing to determine the variance in sunrise times of 4hrs and 3hrs was caused by the time zones! Edited August 25, 2020 by Carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Baynham Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 she clearly states not time difference,she says sunrise difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Lady Baynham said: she clearly states not time difference,she says sunrise difference. Yes, I know what she clearly states. The sunrise is reported in local time!! Big one Russian owned: https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@65.7893,-169.0659 Little one Alaska owned: https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@5867516 Look at the daylight hours - identical. Edited August 25, 2020 by Carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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