The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[Diesel]

9 hours ago, truther79 said:

Interesting topic. My own experience over the last few years towards believing in a flat earth came from stumbling upon different videos and then looking into things for myself from a Biblical point of view.

 

Celebrate Truth have some very interesting videos from a Christian/Bible perspective on YouTube, but also show experiments that 'prove' a flat earth. There is one documentary by them in particular which answers things that many on here have asked re: seasons, sunrise and sunsets etc.

 

 

 

 

Hi hi thanks just watched the videos you posted 

 

They make an interesting point about the position of the stars. And it made me think of a question to globe believers

 

How was it possible that people navigate by the stars on a spinning globe?

[sickofallthebollocks]

12 hours ago, bflat said:

Yes.

 

The shape really is not that important
 

These connections may not make immediate sense to you, but I assure that if you take an honest look at this subject, it soon will.

 

This video shoots a horizon at over 20 miles above earth. Yes, as the balloon swings, there are moments of both concavity and convexity, but when level and still, we see our beautiful flat horizon as far as we can go and always rising to eye/camera level which surely is impossible on a ball.

 

Feel free to watch the entire vid as it's less than 12 minutes, but I have timestamped here to show you something even more important:

 

Here is a still of approximately where I timestamped the vid:

 

Please tell me you notice the hot spot on top of the clouds and ask yourself if it is even possible that that was created from a Sun that is over 100 times the size of our supposed ball, and 93 million miles away as modern astronomy claims.

Many thanks for getting back so assidiously Bflat, I did notice the hot spot on the clouds and although it's unusual (I think) -  I can't comment on wether this is a natural reflection of the sun on the surface of the clouds or not.

You know what we need to end this argument/discussion/theory once and for all don't you?

We need someone with the expertise to get a suitable camera up and beyond what has gone before - the balloons all burst at 107,000 feet or whatever - flat earthers need to get together and design and develop a camera/balloon/rocket combo to go ALL the way out to space way way above 107K miles - to record in no uncertain terms wether the earth is infact a globe or the flat earth - whatever it is.

With respect:
If you guys are so confident then why don't you all club together - design - or buy yourself a suitable 'vehicle of propulsion - with camera attached' and shoot the fucker up there - and like you say - end this argument and also blow the hidden hand out of the water?
Agreed?



 

Edited August 12, 2020 by sickofallthebollocks
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[bflat]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

How was it possible that people navigate by the stars on a spinning globe?

It isn't.

 

Let alone we see the exact same skies, constellations, etc., year in and year out since humanity first looked to the sky.

 

The wheel in the sky is what is turning... it is just as it appears!

[bflat]

1 hour ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

Many thanks for getting back so assidiously Bflat, I did notice the hot spot on the clouds and although it's unusual (I think) -  I can't comment on wether this is a natural reflection of the sun on the surface of the clouds or not.

Yeah, just a trick prolly from some delusional flat earther. Oh, wait a sec, we have it live on video... maybe you should watch it from the video.

 

As far as the sun's distance?

 

1 hour ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

You know what we need to end this argument/discussion/theory once and for all don't you?

We need someone with the expertise to get a suitable camera up and beyond what has gone before - the balloons all burst at 107,000 feet or whatever - flat earthers need to get together and design and develop a camera/balloon/rocket combo to go ALL the way out to space way way above 107K miles - to record in no uncertain terms wether the earth is infact a globe or the flat earth - whatever it is.

Thanks for the advice, but over 20 miles is high enough. The 360 degree horizon that rises to eye/camera level proves everything.

 

Anyways, here is the highest anything has likely ever gone. Decide for yourself what happens here:

 

I don't ever talk about a dome, alexa refers to what the bible calls a firmament, but I do know that a barrier must exist for the simple fact that we wake up and breathe.

[peter]

Just before I go I thought I would leave  a parting gift to the FE crowd

and just to cover my ass the opinions expressed in this video are not necessarily  the opinions of the poster

Edited August 13, 2020 by peter

[bflat]

Ok, just for fun, let's try a hypothetical.

 

You are a freak golfer, likely with alien blood, you consistently hit perfectly straight 350 yards off the tee.

 

Put yourself anywhere on the equator and see yourself driving the ball directly north at a hole that is 350 yards away. You have lined up your shot...

 

QUESTION: From the time you begin your backswing until the ball stops moving, how far has the hole moved?

[Chef]

On 8/12/2020 at 12:52 PM, zArk said:

 

Great picture we are priviledged to see. 

 

[Lady Baynham]

I re watched the dogcam video.I slowed it right down .At 7.41 there is an image I cannot understand. On the slowest setting at 7.41 what do others see ? You have 3 images that fall within that 1 sec. 

[peter]

18 hours ago, bflat said:

Ok, just for fun, let's try a hypothetical.

 

You are a freak golfer, likely with alien blood, you consistently hit perfectly straight 350 yards off the tee.

 

Put yourself anywhere on the equator and see yourself driving the ball directly north at a hole that is 350 yards away. You have lined up your shot...

 

QUESTION: From the time you begin your backswing until the ball stops moving, how far has the hole moved?

Great question here's another , if your in a train traveling a 160mph and you jump into the air and your hat flew off and went straight up where would it land, the answer is the same for both questions ,all Mr flat is doing here is trying to confuse the issue between actual speed and relative speed between two objects and is total bullshit with regards  to proving the earth is flat

You were right that was fun

 

[Diesel]

The one thing no one can fake is the sky at night. According to flat earth books Polaris can be viewed from the Southern Hemisphere (this would be impossible on a globe), however there is no documented evidence of this online.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

7 minutes ago, Diesel said:

The one thing no one can fake is the sky at night. According to flat earth books Polaris can be viewed from the Southern Hemisphere (this would be impossible on a globe), however there is no documented evidence of this online.

 

When I toured Australia I couldn't see Polaris. 

The entire night sky and all the constellations were totally alien to me as someone who grew up in the UK and toured Europe and the Mediterranean coast line. 

Strange eh..? 

 

[bflat]

1 hour ago, Basket Case said:

 

When I toured Australia I couldn't see Polaris. 

The entire night sky and all the constellations were totally alien to me as someone who grew up in the UK and toured Europe and the Mediterranean coast line. 

Strange eh..? 

 

Well, a couple strange things here I guess.

1) You claimed you were going to come back on here and finally provide facts that are true in reference to your discussion with alexa and then myself. I felt we had a real teachable moment there and it's a shame you chose to simply move on. Alexa's point was not only valid, but actually HUGE... bottom line.

 

2) To the above, I am guessing a) that you never really spent that much time looking at your sky in the UK nor "down under," and b) "down south," you honestly had no idea what you were seeing, possibly because of perspective.

 

Specifically, here is what I mean:

Vulpecula can be seen from 90 degrees North to 55 degrees South

Taurus, Pisces, Leo can all be seen from 90N to 65S

Virgo can be seen from 80N to 80S

Orion from 85N to 75S

Aquarius and Libra from 65N to 90S

 

[bflat]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

The one thing no one can fake is the sky at night. According to flat earth books Polaris can be viewed from the Southern Hemisphere (this would be impossible on a globe), however there is no documented evidence of this online.

Observations even below 20 degrees south have been recorded multiple times by navigators and some of these observations have been documented by the Royal Astronomical Society. The Zetetics were frequently in contact with the RAS and if you really want to search online, these discussions can be found in their literature and notations.

 

Also, be aware that it is known that Ursa Major (near Polaris) can be seen from 90 degrees North to 30 degrees South.

 

Lastly, even modern astronomy claims that Polaris can bee seen below the equator (at least slightly).

 

[zArk]

1 hour ago, Basket Case said:

 

When I toured Australia I couldn't see Polaris. 

The entire night sky and all the constellations were totally alien to me as someone who grew up in the UK and toured Europe and the Mediterranean coast line. 

Strange eh..? 

 

Not really strange.

 

It depends upon ones expectation based upon perspective of land shape

 

A flat earth with dome ...it's perfectly normal visual angle due to apparent horizon

 

For a globe earth with universe ....it's perfectly normal due to position on the sphere

 

 

Edited August 14, 2020 by zArk

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

18 minutes ago, bflat said:

You claimed you were going to come back on here and finally provide facts

 

I got very busy and distracted with more important stuff. 

Quote me the post again please. 

Thanks 

BC 

[bflat]

5 hours ago, peter said:

Great question here's another , if your in a train traveling a 160mph and you jump into the air and your hat flew off and went straight up where would it land, the answer is the same for both questions...

First off, I have never tried it. Have you?

 

Secondly, I have pretty much begged y'all to familiarize yourselves with some of the most widely understood logical fallacies. You still have not grasped the one concerning false equivalence.

 

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.^[1] A colloquial expression of false equivalency is "comparing apples and oranges".

 

Lastly, just a page back I responded to similar questions from @Grumpy Owl.

Again, what you both are talking about are CLOSED SYSTEMS!

 

Modern astronomy claims our atmosphere that gravity can spin perfectly with our world exists at some point (which THEY STILL REFUSE TO DEFINE) next to a 10^-17 torr vacuum. I have begged many times for y'all again to understand the implications here.

 

Think!

 

5 hours ago, peter said:

all Mr flat is doing here is trying to confuse the issue between actual speed and relative speed between two objects...

Here, you once again rely on the reification fallacy and combine it with the false equivalence you established for yourself prior.

 

I wasn't really trying to confuse you. All this paranoia aside, I was actually trying to see if any of the heliocentrists even realized how far that hole MUST move if heliocentrism is to be believed.

 

For fun, do the math... I will bet you will be amazed.

 

And let's make it even easier and just consider the hang time of the ball or let's say on a massive drive, the ball has been known to be in the air for 20 seconds. Do the math on just 10 seconds and amaze the whole family.

 

We can call this little subsection of the discussion: nasa math101

Edited August 14, 2020 by bflat

[screamingeagle]

17 minutes ago, bflat said:

heliocentrism is to be believed.

nothing to belive....you can see it on all sorts of videos,.....ah wait?!!!

[bflat]

2 hours ago, Basket Case said:

 

I got very busy and distracted with more important stuff. 

Quote me the post again please. 

Thanks 

BC 

Sure I'm not busy, lol.

 

Posted Tuesday at 12:42 PM

l'm busy now.
Let's talk later.

 

This was relating to this meme showing the most basic concepts that must be true if we are to believe in heliocentrism:

 

This goes back a page prior where alexa had simply asked for your facts to be true. I asked you about the first one. You didn't reply. I asked you to try the second and the same thing happened.

 

This is especially odd since these are literally the two most basic concepts THAT MUST BE TRUE - axial and orbital speeds!

 

I then asked you to choose any of them, just one, and that is where your reply about handling it later that I bolded above came in.

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

14 minutes ago, bflat said:

I then asked you to choose any of them, just one,

You want to go 1 by 1 from the top ?

 

[bflat]

1 minute ago, Basket Case said:

You want to go 1 by 1 from the top ?

 

That would be awesome! Thank-you!

 

Please begin...

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

Before we get to No 1. l'd like to clearly state that l believe this whole reality as we perceive it is something like a virtual reality / 3D hologram.

In this virtual reality / 3D hologram we have been given to act our lives out in, we live on a spinning globe, going around the nearest Star, our Sun...etc, etc...

1) Spinning at 1000mph. Almost correct but not quite.
1,500mph at the Equator, around 750mph in the UK and virtual 0mph at the Poles. lt varies.
This is shown by the different amount of time the Sun is in the sky, from different points north of the Equator up to the Pole. (added to the Earths tilt - roughly 22 / 23 degrees)

(EDIT - I just checked,  l'm wrong - 1,000mph at equator meaning around 500mph in the UK)

[bflat]

5 hours ago, Basket Case said:

Before we get to No 1. l'd like to clearly state that l believe this whole reality as we perceive it is something like a virtual reality / 3D hologram.

In this virtual reality / 3D hologram we have been given to act our lives out in, we live on a spinning globe, going around the nearest Star, our Sun...etc, etc...

1) Spinning at 1000mph. Almost correct but not quite.
1,500mph at the Equator, around 750mph in the UK and virtual 0mph at the Poles. lt varies.
This is shown by the different amount of time the Sun is in the sky, from different points north of the Equator up to the Pole. (added to the Earths tilt - roughly 22 / 23 degrees)

(EDIT - I just checked,  l'm wrong - 1,000mph at equator meaning around 500mph in the UK)

With all due respect, you have offered no proof of any axial speed at all. What you have done is googled it and repeated the claim.

 

Modern Astronomy claims that the earth rotates at approximately 1000 mph on the equator. It is because they claim we live on a sphere that speeds reduce the farther north or south that you go, that at every single latitude, whether north or south, spins at the same speed (ie. 45n and 45s or 30n and 30s, etc.).

 

All you have done is repeat the claim, fair? Are we on the same page thus far?

 

What alexa asked for and what I have been begging for are for these CLAIMS to be shown to be TRUE.

 

Can you do that or not? That is the question... we all know the claim now (hopefully).

[peter]

6 hours ago, bflat said:

Lastly, just a page back I responded to similar questions from @Grumpy Owl.

Again, what you both are talking about are CLOSED SYSTEMS!

You have been talking about a closed system the whole time , remember the dome .There is no such thing as a closed system in reality,however laws in physics are generally written with the assumption of a closed system for ease of math and explanation

 

Still not one of my  questions  answered , what a joke

 

6 hours ago, bflat said:

And let's make it even easier and just consider the hang time of the ball or let's say on a massive drive, the ball has been known to be in the air for 20 seconds. Do the math on just 10 seconds and amaze the whole family.

 well why don't you work out the distance traveled in the train and where the hat would land , as I said you are muddying the waters between actual speed and relative motion between two objects,.

If you think your little trick will amaze me and my family , sorry you don't know us very well. 

Be the first to come up with a working model of the flat earth ,now that would amaze me.

[sickofallthebollocks]

On 8/12/2020 at 11:13 PM, bflat said:

Thanks for the advice, but over 20 miles is high enough. The 360 degree horizon that rises to eye/camera level proves everything.

 

?.................. but - 20 miles obviously isn't high enough? 

It proves diddly squat?  

Need to have a camera that travels right out into space - it needs to pan RIGHT OUT there to see if earth is a ball or a flat thing?

 

[peter]

7 hours ago, bflat said:

Modern astronomy claims our atmosphere that gravity can spin perfectly with our world exists at some point (which THEY STILL REFUSE TO DEFINE) next to a 10^-17 torr vacuum. I have begged many times for y'all again to understand the implications here.

Maybe if you understood how pressure differentials work  you wouldn't be so confused as to this point ,and wouldn't treat it as some magical artifact that will drive a nail into the coffin of the globe theory, if you would like me to explain it to you I will as there are no implications here at all .

But first I can't resist using your method , do your own research, but I will give you a hint to start you on the right path, A VACUUM DOESN'T SUCK unlike the FE theory.

As I said I will explain it to you if you like , but you have to be nice for a change and ask properly