zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, peter said: I have done that twice already ,nothing has changed, if you can't understand what I'm saying or don't like what I'm saying I can't help that Oh ,now you are talking about all the other models ,I thought you wanted me to explain it , I must have hit a nerve as once again the goal posts have been shifted, sorry old mate but as I said before my explanation fits snugly within the parameters of the globe model as you put it . Try thinking in 3D . Would you like me to explain this (10^-17 torr vacuum) as well because your lot keep banging on about it as if it is something miraculous , I don't even have to think about this one The old saying .If you see every problem as a nail ,your only solution is a hammer ( insert flat earth for nail ) But I know I'm wasting my time as, after the explanation for the vacuum is given you will be looking for your 8lb slegie theres no goal posts, there is the solar eclipse west to east observed the earth spins towards the east the moon orbits towards the east the earth spins at 15 degrees per hour the moon orbits at 0.5 degrees per hour explain how the eclipse is observed west to east its not a trick, everything is as the globe science explains. i am not making anything up the moon is travelling at 3000 km/h -- 0.5 degrees /hr = 29 days full orbit -- month the earth is spinning at 1600 km/h --15 degrees / hr = 24 hrs full spin -day the moon appears to move east to west the sun appears to move east to west its very very simple solar eclipse is the perfect alignment of the moon size, moon position to sun and earth, it is first observed in west and then is observed in east finally after 5hrs this is wonderful but the science falls apart the moon is orbiting >>>>> this way round the earth the earth is spinning >>>>> this way how does the solar eclipse observation move from west to east???? it cant. its impossible based upon globe theory. the theory falls apart Edited August 7, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, zArk said: theres no goal posts, there is the solar eclipse west to east observed the earth spins towards the east the moon orbits towards the east the earth spins at 15 degrees per hour the moon orbits at 0.5 degrees per hour explain how the eclipse is observed west to east its not a trick, everything is as the globe science explains. i am not making anything up the moon is travelling at 3000 km/h -- 0.5 degrees /hr = 29 days full orbit -- month the earth is spinning at 1600 km/h --15 degrees / hr = 24 hrs full spin -day the moon appears to move east to west the sun appears to move east to west its very very simple solar eclipse is the perfect alignment of the moon size, moon position to sun and earth, it is first observed in west and then is observed in east finally after 5hrs this is wonderful but the science falls apart the moon is orbiting >>>>> this way round the earth the earth is spinning >>>>> this way how does the solar eclipse observation move from west to east???? it cant. its impossible based upon globe theory. the theory falls apart Haven't we already gone over this very page ,nothing has changed in the interim and asking me to explain addnorsium won't change the answer ,but what it will do is bury a valid explanation in pages of repeating dribble so genuine interested parties may indeed miss it and by your actions that is the only conclusion I am able to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, peter said: Haven't we already gone over this very page ,nothing has changed in the interim and asking me to explain addnorsium won't change the answer ,but what it will do is bury a valid explanation in pages of repeating dribble so genuine interested parties may indeed miss it and by your actions that is the only conclusion I am able to make no you havent recognised angular velocity while your moon is on its 2 million kilometer journey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, zArk said: no you havent recognised angular velocity while your moon is on its 2 million kilometer journey sounds good ,but that was all taken into consideration in the explanation which you are well aware of ,if you don't recognize that or wont ,that's not my problem ,you appear to be someone clutching at straws at this very moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, peter said: sounds good ,but that was all taken into consideration in the explanation which you are well aware of ,if you don't recognize that or wont ,that's not my problem ,you appear to be someone clutching at straws at this very moment how does the shadow (observed solar eclipse ) beat the spin of the earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Read my explanation I explained that very thing, or am I right you are trying to fill the pages with dribble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 46 minutes ago, peter said: Read my explanation I explained that very thing, or am I right you are trying to fill the pages with dribble The moon at angular velocity of 0.5 degrees per hour How does that beat the earth's spin at angular velocity 15 degrees per hour ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 as I said, it was explained? how many times are you going to ask me the same question,If you can't comprehend my explanation sorry ,this feels like a police interview ask the same question over and over again to see if the story changes ,or you are doing as I said a really good job of hiding the explanation in pages of dribble and with experience your lot wouldn't do that now ,would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) On 7/27/2020 at 4:27 PM, Messenger said: This guy is a fool, haha. Humans are tiny in comparison to the size of the earth and even the most high powered lense will not show the curvature of the Earth while standing on it. You need to elevate high enough to where you can see the curvature. If that guy had a brain he would have filmed a ship on water traveling away from him to towards the horizon. This experiment was done and shown in that vid I posted of youtube channel Professor David. He included a short clip of a ship disappearing on the horizon which would not be possible if the Earth were flat. IF the Earth were flat the ship would stay in the same spot but shrink in size to a small spec, only reappearing if a more high powered lense were used. In the other vid, the ship disappears and we can watch it happen because the Earth is a sphere and so the ship disappears from the bottom first up to the top. That right there destroys flat Earth THEORY. First, one would have to ask, could you really see a flashlight in the middle of the day at 14 odd miles? also the shrubs are a different colour slightly when the old man pans his position and when doing the sync test weather that has any bearing I don't know and due to the fact that it is a split screen it would be easy to sync the two videos in post production Just saying the people that do these type of things generally have a vested interest in perpetuating these theory's , I would be interested in seeing a close up of where the old man is standing in a completely separate still by a different photographer ,as apposed just him focusing in and out so we could compare if the bottom of the rocks sink below the horizon or not as we only have this jokers word as to whats going on . He says we are looking down the barrel of the laser, really?ccd cameras generally don't like getting hit with a laser or very bright light as it overloads the circuitry , well it did in my day , maybe they have more sophisticated protection now I also like the fact that he goes on about the mirror effect, insinuating there is no other explanation for the hull of a ship disappearing over the horizon ,so as to give credence to his up coming experiment Edited August 8, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 hours ago, peter said: as I said, it was explained? how many times are you going to ask me the same question,If you can't comprehend my explanation sorry ,this feels like a police interview ask the same question over and over again to see if the story changes ,or you are doing as I said a really good job of hiding the explanation in pages of dribble and with experience your lot wouldn't do that now ,would you? yet your answer is in conflict with globe science the shadow doesnt travel faster than the moons linear speed, globe science says its the same or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Bullshit says who, you? well I must be wrong then, keep clutching at straws your bound to grab one eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) no straws, just stick with the globe model shadow cant move faster than moon earth is still spinning at 2000km/h it doesnt work out fella but it works very simply for flat earth model Edited August 8, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messenger Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 13 hours ago, peter said: First, one would have to ask, could you really see a flashlight in the middle of the day at 14 odd miles? also the shrubs are a different colour slightly when the old man pans his position and when doing the sync test weather that has any bearing I don't know and due to the fact that it is a split screen it would be easy to sync the two videos in post production Just saying the people that do these type of things generally have a vested interest in perpetuating these theory's , I would be interested in seeing a close up of where the old man is standing in a completely separate still by a different photographer ,as apposed just him focusing in and out so we could compare if the bottom of the rocks sink below the horizon or not as we only have this jokers word as to whats going on . He says we are looking down the barrel of the laser, really?ccd cameras generally don't like getting hit with a laser or very bright light as it overloads the circuitry , well it did in my day , maybe they have more sophisticated protection now I also like the fact that he goes on about the mirror effect, insinuating there is no other explanation for the hull of a ship disappearing over the horizon ,so as to give credence to his up coming experiment With a very expensive high powered telescope, yeah. I would have to go back and check the video, I don't remember the shrubs and the man. I walked away from this topic because it's so ridiculous, we know the Earth is a sphere in this physical world, we have photographs of it from space, and then there is the Coriolis effect that flat Earther's will not acknowledge, water draining counter clockwise in the southern hemisphere. Same with magnetics and a compass pointing to the north pole, flat Earth clowns won't address this, if they do they come up with some word-twisting crap to try and sound intelligent or to confuse people exactly like "doctors" do when they are trying to sound smart and manipulate their patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 10 hours ago, zArk said: but it works very simply for flat earth model Your only solution is the hammer once again fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Messenger said: then there is the Coriolis effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Maybe you could borrow a hammer of Zark , you put this up as evidence ? or maybe you are just trying to be smart ,in both accounts you have failed Mr flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 @Messenger Coriolis? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messenger Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Not up high enough. Really mate? The average hot air balloon only reaches between 1000 and 3000 ft. That's not even a mile off the ground. We dig deeper underground bases than that, some seven miles below. Probably deeper in some areas which makes me question the size of agarta (sp?) The balloon height record is over 69,000 feet. Or 21 Km or 13 miles. There's a lead for any sleuths if they really want to see curvature. There might be photos of that somewhere. Something must have triggered you to post that pic. lol Have you ever been in a hot air balloon before, bflat? I have not but I would as long as I had a chute just in case. They do go up pretty high, but still not high enough to see curvature. I'm sure that height can give people butterflies in their stomach from that small basket. Bflat, what is the highest you've been on land? I have driven up to Mt. Haleakala HI and biked down it. It's about 10,000 ft, so definitely higher than the average hot air balloon. I stood among the clouds, and have the 90's photo to prove it. Did you skip fifth grade math class, bflat? Kidding. Sort of. Ok spill the beans bflat, what planet are you from? I'm really curious as to how your perception of Earth's shape came about. Did you learn that at a university? Have you always thought that? I'm curious. There was a race to space that was raging back in the 70's and 80's, I watched it happen, it was a big thing all over the country. We advanced so rapidly that the tech had to be hidden from most people. Clearly, look how they react to a psyop such as a fake virus with a suggested 98% recovery rate... People go ape-shit buying toilet paper. I could rest my case on that alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messenger Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, bflat said: @Messenger Coriolis? The "smoke" doesn't spin, it disperses. "Smoke"? Really? You mean particles, molecules, and gas and atoms? That "smoke"? Coriolis happens in the southern hemisphere. Where is that photo taken? You don't know. It could be photoshopped, looks like it. You working early today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) It looks like water vapor to me from a power station or is this what we find on top of the 1000 ft ice wall Edited August 9, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) On 8/8/2020 at 5:50 PM, zArk said: yet your answer is in conflict with globe science the shadow doesnt travel faster than the moons linear speed, globe science says its the same or less You have obviously not read my explanation carefully as I didn't say the shadow travels faster than the moons linear speed , but you know that, keep muddying the waters ,a sign of a desperate person, you are obviously a great proponent of Bflat's debating style ,If you can't impress them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit Edited August 9, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Baynham Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 This is very interesting,shocking in parts and mindblowing in others.Once again pleasant articulate folk doing their own research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The itinerant shrubber Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 So is it just the earth that's flat? What about Mars? Jupiter? Uranus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The itinerant shrubber Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Messenger said: The "smoke" doesn't spin, it disperses. "Smoke"? Really? You mean particles, molecules, and gas and atoms? That "smoke"? Coriolis happens in the southern hemisphere. Where is that photo taken? You don't know. It could be photoshopped, looks like it. You working early today? It has nothing to do with speed. Earth rotates at something like 00.7 rpm. In other words, once per day. A record rotates at 45 rpm. Dunno how many times a day that is but you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) On 8/8/2020 at 10:12 PM, peter said: Your only solution is the hammer once again fella recorded speeds of solar eclipse does not support globe model of earth spin, moon speed, sun distance etc etc your only solution is falsely claim victory , ignore parts of globe science and refuse to deal with the issue the eclipse in globe model has to go faster than the moons angular velocity and faster than the earths spin to cover the distance observed the data doesnt match globe model, spherists are deliberately ignoring their own science to shove, heave and squash the solar eclipse into their model but ... it doesnt fit the speeds are too much the distance covered is too far no way, no how can Globe science account for Solar Eclipse within their theory flat earth offers the best fit theory to account for movement and speed, the end time stamped video Edited August 10, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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