zArk Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 @peter I can't figure that the western point of USA gets sight of eclipse first , Then the sighting occurs eastward But the earth is spinning east So the moon that's apparently slower somehow gets inline with the sun faster than the spin The alignment is perfect for moon size, distance, sun size and observer The earth/moon together would have to perform a 'drift' on the camber of the solar system (fast and furious tokyo style) and then flip back to normal sun ellipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) No, the moon is actually traveling faster than the earth, and that is the whole crux of the matter right there ,however from where we are standing that doesn't appear to be the case, since the moon is the one that is casting the shadow and in actual fact is traveling faster than the earth the shadow will only ever appear from left to right 1 hour ago, zArk said: The alignment is perfect for moon size, distance, sun size and observe Yes correct, but the point of observation needs to be from the moon ,in your head picture your self standing on the moon now look at the shadow cast on the earth. in actual fact if the moon is traveling twice as fast as the earth the shadow can only travel from west to east, no matter what we think it should be , in fact the earth spinning faster than the moon is actually an optical illusion created from our unique perspective or point of observation. Edited August 4, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, peter said: the moon is actually traveling faster than the earth Where's the moon traveling too exactly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) is that a joke ,or are you serious , I hope its not the latter as I will have to bang my head against the wall for a few minuets then I will drop into a chair, my eyes will close, my head will flop down so my chin is on my chest then start to rock from side to side, slowly but uncontrollably all the while mumbling for fuck sake under my breath Edited August 4, 2020 by peter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, alexa said: Where's the moon traveling too exactly ? To Coles , it has run out of cheese and the man there is feeling a tad peckish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 The mask depleted him of oxygen? or his 5g neuralink transponders wernt functioning properly........// 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 9 hours ago, peter said: No, the moon is actually traveling faster than the earth 9 hours ago, alexa said: Where's the moon traveling too exactly ? 9 hours ago, peter said: is that a joke ,or are you serious It's a fair enough question as it certainly dun't travel with the earth around the sun, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 hours ago, oddsnsods said: The mask depleted him of oxygen? or his 5g neuralink transponders wernt functioning properly........// This reminds me of O'bummer when his auto-ques fucked up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, alexa said: It's a fair enough question as it certainly dun't travel with the earth around the sun, that's for sure. At the moment my bloody forehead hurts ,and it's all your fault,I told you what would happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, peter said: No, the moon is actually traveling faster than the earth, and that is the whole crux of the matter right there ,however from where we are standing that doesn't appear to be the case, since the moon is the one that is casting the shadow and in actual fact is traveling faster than the earth the shadow will only ever appear from left to right Yes correct, but the point of observation needs to be from the moon ,in your head picture your self standing on the moon now look at the shadow cast on the earth. in actual fact if the moon is traveling twice as fast as the earth the shadow can only travel from west to east, no matter what we think it should be , in fact the earth spinning faster than the moon is actually an optical illusion created from our unique perspective or point of observation. yes the observer point of the eclipse moves east (California moves eastward on axis) , away from the central sun and the moon moves apparently west as it is apparently slower on its orbit of the earth due to the orbital distance the sheep can turn around in a second but the sheep dog takes 10 seconds to circle the sheep yet the sheep dog is moving twice as fast as the sheep so the earths west point is now turning into the sun and the moon is following the suns apparent direction the rare alignment cannot be viewed at a more easterly point as the special circumstances is only available at the more westerly point now the sphere model collapses linear speed angular speed Edited August 5, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Hang on a minute we were talking about the the apparent direction of the shadow should move on the earth and the actual direction that the shadow moves on the earth during a solar eclipse The diagram that you put up looks impressive but it is incorrect ,light rays do not travel from the sun to the earth in that fashion ,light rays travel in a straight line unless they encounter a body that is large enough to cause gravitational lensing and the earth or moon are not large enough to cause that,however the rest of the diagram of the moon and earth are absolutely brilliant to describe what I'm saying. So from the perspective of the moon that is traveling faster than the earth ,a solar eclipse will always show a shadow that travels from west to east and with that diagram it becomes absolutely self evident. I'm sorry the sphere model hasn't collapsed at all ,you have just strengthened it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, peter said: So from the perspective of the moon that is traveling faster than the earth ,a solar eclipse will always show a shadow that travels from west to east and with that diagram it becomes absolutely self evident. ******* the moon apparently travels east to west over the sky the earth spins to the east so that the Sun apparently travels east to west over the sky ******** the heliocentric model cant claim, in the case of a solar eclipse, that model should be ignored the sphere model has collapsed for it to explain solar eclipse claiming the linear speed of the moon is greater than the earths axial spin but ignoring angular velocity, circumference and orbit would claim that the moon travels across the sky west to east it doesnt. the moon doesnt rise in the west and set in the east the observable fact cant be ignored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlaw Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/08/22/flat-earthers-declare-solar-eclipse-just-proved-earth-flat/#66db117f6921 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, bradlaw said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/08/22/flat-earthers-declare-solar-eclipse-just-proved-earth-flat/#66db117f6921 No, it disproves the sphere model but can't prove flat earth as the unknown extra disc is not observed other than claim during eclipse However, it's important to understand the speed at which the Earth and moon travel. According to NASA, the moon travels to the east as it orbits Earth at approximately 3,400 km per hour. This is compared to the Earth rotating to the east at 1,670 km per hour at the equator. This would mean the moon's shadow will move from west to east at 1,730 km per hour at the equator. 2 YEARS AGO IT WAS DUN AND DUSTED spherist are hanging on by way of silence, ignoring the issue and obsfucation CHECK MATE it is Edited August 5, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 To all the oz's down under...... Hi there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, zArk said: claiming the linear speed of the moon is greater than the earths axial spin but ignoring angular velocity, circumference and orbit would claim that the moon travels across the sky west to east it doesnt. the moon doesnt rise in the west and set in the east the observable fact cant be ignored and your ignoring the fact that the moon has a lot longer to travel, I thought we were talking about the direction of shadow cast on the earth during a solar eclipse and why of, course the moon doesn't rise in the west and set in the east ,that's self evident To help you understand eg Land speed record is 1000K an hour now or close to it ,it would look like it was going like the clappers if it went past only a few feet away but if you were miles away it would seem like it was going a lot slower from your point of observation Edited August 5, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, zArk said: claiming the linear speed of the moon is greater than the earths axial spin but ignoring angular velocity, circumference and orbit would claim that the moon travels across the sky west to east They have not been ignored and all these parameters fall within the frame work of my explanation, your assumption that what I said would cause the moon to travel from west to east is incorrect but no doubt sounds good from your side of the argument , unfortunately you seem to be able to look at a problem from only one angle and that being the earth is flat so I must be wrong , me I like to look at things from all different angles then come to a conclusion ,weather that conclusion is correct of not is an entirely different matter. What I gave you was a valid explanation to the direction of the shadow during a solar eclipse, and even though I didn't look up websites for the info ,I believe it to be correct and quite simple really once the point of observation is taken into account. As I said, picture it in your mind, take into account direction, rotational speed distance etc, then imagine what you would observe from different points or perspectives 6 hours ago, zArk said: However, it's important to understand the speed at which the Earth and moon travel. According to NASA, the moon travels to the east as it orbits Earth at approximately 3,400 km per hour. This is compared to the Earth rotating to the east at 1,670 km per hour at the equator. This would mean the moon's shadow will move from west to east at 1,730 km per hour at the equator. Of course it wouldn't, as distance from the observer has not been taken into account , the moon has to travel 1.4 million miles every month to orbit the earth at I distance of on average 380,000Km see what happens when you factor that into the mix You can call check mate any time to like ,however premature, because I fear the game will be going a lot longer , but not by me Edited August 6, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Don't say I one eyed,I'm just trying to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 10:08 PM, peter said: and your ignoring the fact that the moon has a lot longer to travel, I no, the moon is faster than the earth but its orbit is longer so it travels east to west across the sky the solar eclipse was observed west to east Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 25 minutes ago, zArk said: no, the moon is faster than the earth but its orbit is longer so it travels east to west across the sky the solar eclipse was observed west to east and I explained why ,you are discreetly ignoring the distance of 380,000km and point of observation again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 On 8/6/2020 at 12:19 AM, peter said: What I gave you was a valid explanation to the direction of the shadow during a solar eclipse it was invalidated On 8/5/2020 at 8:55 AM, peter said: So from the perspective of the moon that is traveling faster than the earth ,a solar eclipse will always show a shadow that travels from west to east and with that diagram it becomes absolutely self evident. this diagram On 8/5/2020 at 7:12 AM, zArk said: righty ho fella, the moon is travelling --------->>> orbit the earth is spinning --------->> spin the moon is travelling 0.5* per hour the earth is spinning 15* per hour the eclipse is observed west to east @peter explain how the eclipse is observed west to east in the 5 hour period ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, peter said: and I explained why ,you are discreetly ignoring the distance of 380,000km and point of observation again no i am taking all the spherists models together and the observed solar eclipse west to east doesnt fit the model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 hours ago, zArk said: the eclipse is observed west to east @peter explain how the eclipse is observed west to east in the 5 hour period ta I have done that twice already ,nothing has changed, if you can't understand what I'm saying or don't like what I'm saying I can't help that 6 hours ago, zArk said: no i am taking all the spherists models together and the observed solar eclipse west to east doesnt fit the model Oh ,now you are talking about all the other models ,I thought you wanted me to explain it , I must have hit a nerve as once again the goal posts have been shifted, sorry old mate but as I said before my explanation fits snugly within the parameters of the globe model as you put it . Try thinking in 3D . Would you like me to explain this (10^-17 torr vacuum) as well because your lot keep banging on about it as if it is something miraculous , I don't even have to think about this one The old saying .If you see every problem as a nail ,your only solution is a hammer ( insert flat earth for nail ) But I know I'm wasting my time as, after the explanation for the vacuum is given you will be looking for your 8lb slegie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, peter said: I have done that twice already ,nothing has changed, if you can't understand what I'm saying or don't like what I'm saying I can't help that Oh ,now you are talking about all the other models ,I thought you wanted me to explain it , I must have hit a nerve as once again the goal posts have been shifted, sorry old mate but as I said before my explanation fits snugly within the parameters of the globe model as you put it . Try thinking in 3D . Would you like me to explain this (10^-17 torr vacuum) as well because your lot keep banging on about it as if it is something miraculous , I don't even have to think about this one The old saying .If you see every problem as a nail ,your only solution is a hammer ( insert flat earth for nail ) But I know I'm wasting my time as, after the explanation for the vacuum is given you will be looking for your 8lb slegie theres no goal posts, there is the solar eclipse west to east observed the earth spins towards the east the moon orbits towards the east the earth spins at 15 degrees per hour the moon orbits at 0.5 degrees per hour explain how the eclipse is observed west to east its not a trick, everything is as the globe science explains. i am not making anything up the moon is travelling at 3000 km/h -- 0.5 degrees /hr = 29 days full orbit -- month the earth is spinning at 1600 km/h --15 degrees / hr = 24 hrs full spin -day the moon appears to move east to west the sun appears to move east to west its very very simple solar eclipse is the perfect alignment of the moon size, moon position to sun and earth, it is first observed in west and then is observed in east finally after 5hrs this is wonderful but the science falls apart the moon is orbiting >>>>> this way round the earth the earth is spinning >>>>> this way how does the solar eclipse observation move from west to east???? it cant. its impossible based upon globe theory. the theory falls apart Edited August 7, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, zArk said: theres no goal posts, there is the solar eclipse west to east observed the earth spins towards the east the moon orbits towards the east the earth spins at 15 degrees per hour the moon orbits at 0.5 degrees per hour explain how the eclipse is observed west to east its not a trick, everything is as the globe science explains. i am not making anything up the moon is travelling at 3000 km/h -- 0.5 degrees /hr = 29 days full orbit -- month the earth is spinning at 1600 km/h --15 degrees / hr = 24 hrs full spin -day the moon appears to move east to west the sun appears to move east to west its very very simple solar eclipse is the perfect alignment of the moon size, moon position to sun and earth, it is first observed in west and then is observed in east finally after 5hrs this is wonderful but the science falls apart the moon is orbiting >>>>> this way round the earth the earth is spinning >>>>> this way how does the solar eclipse observation move from west to east???? it cant. its impossible based upon globe theory. the theory falls apart Haven't we already gone over this very page ,nothing has changed in the interim and asking me to explain addnorsium won't change the answer ,but what it will do is bury a valid explanation in pages of repeating dribble so genuine interested parties may indeed miss it and by your actions that is the only conclusion I am able to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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