Guest Gone Fishing... Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Given To Fly said: WINGSUIT ! i had a vivid dream of me 'wingsuiting' a year ago. i went over the grand canyon and somewhere mountainous. was so real. i think i crashed but got back up being a TI, thing is though i wouldn't trust anyone in the business of such activity. My UK mates went to the USA skydive school called LODI to train. Cheaper than Europe. https://skydivelodiparachutecenter.com/ (what's TI ? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Given To Fly Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Basket Case said: My UK mates went to the USA skydive school called LODI to train. Cheaper than Europe. https://skydivelodiparachutecenter.com/ (what's TI ? ) i'd want a full tandem dive for longer than 60 seconds or something like from the films point break or drop zone TI = Targeted Individual. in this context means i wouldn't trust anyone with my pull cord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Given To Fly said: Targeted Individual. in this context means i wouldn't trust anyone with my pull cord Yep. That'd be a big problem. Would you trust clipping onto a zip wire ? You can watch the clips being attached and check them yourself. Zip lining is becoming a huge past time / hobby. Next best thing to freefall / paragliding.. l was up in Wales zip lining old slate mines last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Given To Fly Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Basket Case said: Yep. That'd be a big problem. Would you trust clipping onto a zip wire ? You can watch the clips being attached and check them yourself. Zip lining is becoming a huge past time / hobby. Next best thing to freefall / paragliding.. l was up in Wales zip lining old slate mines last year. sounds sweet. yeah i'd give it a go. as i say if i had the means i'd be game for such activities. must look into it more here. if you wanted to be in the air alone for so long do you need any legal documentation ? i mean you'd be flying over certain buildings and might be deemed a threat or something. oh and did you have coffee stained undies during the zip Edited July 27, 2020 by Given To Fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Given To Fly said: if i had the training and means i'd spend most of my life in the air like that. one of my wishes is to parachute jump of a plane. Claim your a flat earther and @Messenger will arrange it for free Edited July 27, 2020 by alexa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messenger Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/11/2020 at 12:41 AM, zArk said: So as i watch this video, are my eyes wrong? is the telescope tricking my eyes? wheres the curvature gone??? This guy is a fool, haha. Humans are tiny in comparison to the size of the earth and even the most high powered lense will not show the curvature of the Earth while standing on it. You need to elevate high enough to where you can see the curvature. If that guy had a brain he would have filmed a ship on water traveling away from him to towards the horizon. This experiment was done and shown in that vid I posted of youtube channel Professor David. He included a short clip of a ship disappearing on the horizon which would not be possible if the Earth were flat. IF the Earth were flat the ship would stay in the same spot but shrink in size to a small spec, only reappearing if a more high powered lense were used. In the other vid, the ship disappears and we can watch it happen because the Earth is a sphere and so the ship disappears from the bottom first up to the top. That right there destroys flat Earth THEORY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Messenger said: This guy is a fool, haha. Humans are tiny in comparison to the size of the earth and even the most high powered lense will not show the curvature of the Earth while standing on it. so where has the theoretical 100ft gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Why is it possible to see the french coastline from Dover and Folkestone beaches on a clear day? 21miles over the English channel. I never felt the need to question it until people started questioning spherical Earth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Chef said: Why is it possible to see the french coastline from Dover and Folkestone beaches on a clear day? 21 miles over the English channel. I never felt the need to question it until people started questioning spherical Earth. Good question Chef. Due to earths supposed said curvature , by rights we should lose sight of France but we don't & it can be seen quite clearly on a clear day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Chef said: Why is it possible to see the french coastline from Dover and Folkestone beaches on a clear day? 21miles over the English channel. I never felt the need to question it until people started questioning spherical Earth. Probably because the cliffs are high enough to look over the curvature. By FE logic you should be able to see the US with a powerful telescope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 If the distance from Dover to France is 21 miles then the curvature will be 294ft. The Dover cliffs are 350ft in height so will be visible. http://earthcurvature.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Chef said: Why is it possible to see the french coastline from Dover and Folkestone beaches on a clear day? 21miles over the English channel. I never felt the need to question it until people started questioning spherical Earth. Chef! Thanks for posting. This yet another of the six million examples of impossible horizons for the ball gobblers. The loud little handful appears to have very few options here. This is what will happen: 1) This will be ignored. 2) They will claim that these people are only seeing a mirage. 3) They will claim that the Dover and Folkestone beaches are much higher than sea level where they actually are. 9 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: If the distance from Dover to France is 21 miles then the curvature will be 294ft. The Dover cliffs are 350ft in height so will be visible. LOL The Dover cliffs are 350ft, but the beaches where the observations take place ARE AT SEA LEVEL! This is from point one of the OP, @MarpatV2 You can see that the camera and laser are both just a short distance from the water. Watch it at least until the father shoots a laser directly into his son’s camera lens from 13.7 miles away! Now get back to earth curve calculator and explain. Thanks in advance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said: Probably because the cliffs are high enough to look over the curvature. But you can see the cliffs of of Dover from France and your not on any cliffs over there?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 RE: Never mind... I got this... @MarpatV2 I used the earth curve calculator that you posted above and input the 13.7 miles. The result is here: 0.02371 miles = 125.17 feet Due to the plethora of trolling, I have gone ahead and used a notorious nasa shill's calculator that pretends to account for his imagined standard refraction. I used six feet for the height of the camera, although it was clearly lower. As usual, I am giving all possible chances for your sphere. Now, check this out. : Distance = 13.7 miles (72336 feet), View Height = 6 feet (72 inches) Actual Radius = 3959 miles (20903520 feet) <---I am sure we agree here, fair? Refracted Horizon = 3.24 miles (17107 feet) <---The horizon we see in the video is clearly beyond this imagined refracted horizon of just over three miles, fair again? Refracted Drop= 107.28 feet (1287.35 inches) <---107 feet! Refracted! Is this making any sense to you yet? Refracted Hidden= 62.54 feet (750.45 inches) <--- Over 62 feet NEEDS to be hidden! Or a six freakin story building! Are we there? Geometric results (no refraction) Geometric Horizon = 3 miles (15838 feet) Geometric Drop = 125.16 feet (1501.9 inches) <---Just as your link indicated! Geometric Hidden= 76.35 feet (916.21 inches) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, bflat said: Chef! Thanks for posting. This yet another of the six million examples of impossible horizons for the ball gobblers. The loud little handful appears to have very few options here. This is what will happen: 1) This will be ignored. 2) They will claim that these people are only seeing a mirage. 3) They will claim that the Dover and Folkestone beaches are much higher than sea level where they actually are. LOL The Dover cliffs are 350ft, but the beaches where the observations take place ARE AT SEA LEVEL! This is from point one of the OP, @MarpatV2 You can see that the camera and laser are both just a short distance from the water. Watch it at least until the father shoots a laser directly into his son’s camera lens from 13.7 miles away! Now get back to earth curve calculator and explain. Thanks in advance. In that vid there are large hills in the background so it could be possible that the other person was a bit higher up on the hill. How do you know the vid has not been faked to create the illusion of flat earth? If the earth were flat then you would be able to see France from more than just the Dover cliffs, especially using binoculars. Stranraer to Belfast is 20 miles. Do people say they can see across here at sea level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, alexa said: But you can see the cliffs of of Dover from France and your not on any cliffs over there?? It doesnt work like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: How do you know the vid has not been faked to create the illusion of flat earth? Because this is just one example of the 1000s that have been posted from all over our world. Youtube, facebook and the rest of them cannot delete them and ban the account owners fast enough. Our tech today is so good and getting better. We simply are seeing miles and miles and miles too far. 3 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: If the earth were flat then you would be able to see France from more than just the Dover cliffs, especially using binoculars. How do you know that you can't? Have you even tried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bflat said: Because this is just one example of the 1000s that have been posted from all over our world. Youtube, facebook and the rest of them cannot delete them and ban the account owners fast enough. Our tech today is so good and getting better. We simply are seeing miles and miles and miles too far. How do you know that you can't? Have you even tried? TBH Its of zero interest to me. I have a house that overlooks the north sea. If I used my scope then I should be able to see ships at all times according to you. I am prepared to do that BUT I reckon you wouldn't believe me if I said you are wrong. I should even be able to see Peterhead. I expect it wont work. Edited July 27, 2020 by MarpatV2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 come on people, its getting ridiculous now the experiments are becoming more elaborate, higher tech is being used, the math is solid, we've been swizzled from an early age. even the stalwart of eclipse is being shown to be a trick of theory i expected a rebuttal by spherists, video evidence using very very expensive equipment and the ability to conduct experiments with minimum contamination but i only find fraud, cheating, downright lying. i expected more from spherists and rather than be disappointed with them i am disappointed with myself for not twigging on years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, MarpatV2 said: Probably because the cliffs are high enough to look over the curvature. By FE logic you should be able to see the US with a powerful telescope I'm not talking about from the cliffs of Dover. The French coast is visible from Folkestone beach on a clear day. As is the Calais shoreline when on the ferry from Dover albeit from the elevation of a boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said: I have a house that overlooks the north sea. If I used my scope then I should be able to see ships at all times according to you. Well I have a house that overlooks the Gower Peninsula so there And ships always focus back in....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, alexa said: Well I have a house that overlooks the Gower Peninsula after googling it i have ti say "pictures or it didn't happend " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chica Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Could it be that this whole discussion is pointless? Since we are on a DI forum and presumably somewhat inspired by his writings and speeches, we can see that once we start looking at this reality as a holographic illusion, flat earth etc. becomes somewhat irrelevant. As David has said once when asked about FE, that the projection from a holographic surface appears dome shaped and a 2D flat surface will project spherically when curved. I don't remember verbatim what he said. But I found a random link on internet discussing this- https://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8847863/holographic-principle-universe-theory-physics There are other sites as well discussing this. If it's like being inside a virtual reality matrix, there is no point in discussing FE etc. in physical terms- perhaps we should focus on understanding why the FE theory is so stoutly denied and why the matrix exists at all. It is to delineate the boundaries of our prisons. And it is easier perhaps to drill in this limitation with a spherical earth with unreachable stars and (now) miniscule particles like viruses, both making us feel small and helpless. Even if we study all we can about our physical dimensions, we will still only be studying our prisons rather than trying to lift the veil from our eyes that there is no prison and we are 'free'. Accepting FE will open up a Pandora's box about what exists at the edge of it- firmament in Christianity for the believers for instance- but really the main risk is that accepting FE will expose the weaknesses in the holographic reality and make it easier to step out of it. For those who literally believe in a giant ball hanging in mid space, it offers a womb-like feeling of home, a security, that we have an actual physical location with limitless possibilities stretching into the infinity of space and thus a pretext to keep striving to reach outwards towards some illusory goal- reaching Mars, moon, galactic travel, colonising space etc. This way we remain invested in the illusory matrix. These are just my thoughts and of course I may be wrong on these points.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, screamingeagle said: after googling it i have ti say "pictures or it didn't happend " 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, alexa said: Well I have a house that overlooks the Gower Peninsula so there And ships always focus back in....... I'l be sure to wave next time I'm in Ilfracombe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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