The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

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4 hours ago, bflat said:

Agree 100%!

lf you agree, then how about you stop using the word 'retard' ?  

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4 hours ago, bflat said:

Which way does the water spin on the equator?!?!?!?!

lt doesn't spin either way..

[peter]

4 hours ago, zArk said:

Would you describe a skydiver as sinking? But as you used the term and used grains of sand , millions of grains.

 

Displacement doesn't occur

 

How can gravity pull heavy objects to the surface but fail to keep lighthelium balloons down? 

 

You got me there ,hang on let me think ,no you've got me

[peter]

4 hours ago, bflat said:

Come on, you have to be smarter than this.

 

1) Why do rain drops fall through air?

 

2) Why do air bubbles rise through water?

Rain drops fall through air due to gravity

Bubbles rise through water due to relative boyency  which is also governed by gravity

 

That's it I'm not playing any more  I have wasted enough time , we are obviously both wrong and nothing that you or I can say will change that

Edited July 9, 2020 by peter

[serpentine]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

 Why would you think this about people who are FE's. do you know how many of the genuine FE's have been de-platformed offa YouTube ?

Yes it's only the ones who work for the government (like  Mark Sargent) or the ones who debunk or ridicule FE who are left on there. Go check it out, type in flat earth on YouTube. Why are they always trying to to shut us up are they afraid of the truth?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6716533/Youtube-blamed-rise-Flat-Earthers.html

 

Most Christians do not dispute that the Earth like the Sun, Moon and the other major planets are all spherical in shape.

 

One suspects It is the lack of grip on the physical aspects of reality by certain citizens that the authorities are afraid of..

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On 5/26/2020 at 1:58 AM, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Never do aircraft deviate from level path. Where are the corrections for curvature. A plane maintaining level flight would soon leave the atmosphere.

 

On 5/26/2020 at 11:51 AM, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

 

That airplanes maintain level flight unless taking off or landing is fact not fiction.

 

On 5/27/2020 at 3:17 AM, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

I heard talk in this discussion about airliners correcting their level to accomodate a path over a curved surface. Airliners never correct for curvature. Nose level across the entire path.

l skimmed past these 2 days ago but something has compelled me to come back and address this complete misunderstanding /misinformation. 

l've flown on and off over the years in a wide variety of light aircraft. l almost went for and still might go through training for a UK PPL - private pilots licence. l already hold a basic glider pilots licence. l have hundreds of air hours.

Pilots do not simply fly at a certain level by holding the controls still, nor does auto-pilot maintain level flight by holding the controls still.
All flights and routes are planned and controlled by airspace controllers, who co-ordinate between various aircraft in any given vicinity. Pilots fly aircraft in specific directions at specific altitudes. Often changing both direction and altitude for any given airspace / route and environment. 

Plan your flight and fly you plan is pumped into new pilots in training.
 

Specific altitudes and changes are needed for each route and constant pilot input to the controls are needed to maintain any given level / height. Even when large passenger / cargo planes are on auto-pilot, the auto pilot system is constantly inputting adjustments to the controls to maintain a given altitude and direction.

Do you drive ?
When you are driving along a dead straight motorway / highway do you hold the steering wheel absolutely and completely still ?
Or do you constantly correct the steering according to bumps and cambers in the road surface and even possibly cross winds ? 

This very basic misunderstanding leads me to wonder just how far your misunderstandings go into this and other subjects.
BC
 

[serpentine]

A Touch of "Middle Earth" airways from the past.

Having two competing systems of measurement - gallons / litres - in the air industry and other critical applications may lead to accidents especially when transitioning from one to the other..

 

Having two competing systems in the perception consensus can causes a similar hiatus certainly in individuals.

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Basket Case
Clarification of on topic

[zArk]

7 hours ago, Messenger said:

Here you go. Coriolis effect proved real with a kiddie pool and food dye. The Earth is not flat. And yes we have lit off nuclear bombs. You shills are devoid of conscience, or you are aliens (greys are said to lack a soul) who need to go back to where you came from. You are not welcome on Earth. Pass that around to your alien friends. Or you are government agents desperately trying to keep people from waking up to the secret space program, and if that's the case, you aren't doing very well. 

 

just to point out that not all scientists are behind the coriolis effect being real or measurable other than in maths based upon spheres

Quote

 

Fred W. Decker, professor emeritus of oceanic and atmospheric science at Oregon State University notes, however, that the Coriolis effect may actually have little to do with the behavior of real-world sinks and tubs:

"Really, I doubt that the direction of the draining water represents anything more than an accidental twist given by the starting flow. The local irregularities of motion are so dominant that the Coriolis effect is not likely to be revealed. An empirical test could help."

 

 

 

so in 2001 after 170 years of the claimed accuracy and fact of sphere science there is no 'empirical test' to conclude the matter

my arse

theres no Coriolis effect because theres no proof of its existence other than on chalk boards and the mouths of the lunatic scientific cabal.

if there was any absolute proof these idiots would be ramming it down everyones throat

Edited July 9, 2020 by zArk

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21 hours ago, ink said:

Orwell's book 1984

 

Below is an excerpt where O'Brien explains to Winston how Big Brother uses its power to control the human mind.

 

O'Brien - "Power is power over human beings. Over the body and above all over the mind...Already our control over matter is absolute."

Winston - "But how can you control matter? You don't even control the climate or the law of gravity. And there are diseases, pain, death."

O'Brien - "We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. There is nothing we could not do. You must get rid of those 19th century ideas about the laws of nature. We make the laws of nature."

Winston - "But you do not! You aren't even masters of this planet! ...The world itself is only a spec of dust. And man is tiny. Helpless. How long has he been in existence? For millions of years the earth was uninhabited."

O'Brien - "Nonsense. The earth is as old as we are. No older. How could it be older? Nothing exists except through human consciousness."

Winston - "But the rocks are full of bones of extinct animals. Mammoths and mastodons and enormous reptiles which lived long before man was ever heard of."

O'Brien - "Have you ever seen those bones Winston? Of course not. 19th century biologists invented them. Before man, there was nothing. After man, if he could come to an end, there would be nothing. Outside man there is nothing"

Winston - "But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars. Some of them are a million light years away. They're out of reach forever."

O'Brien- "What are the stars? They are bits of a fire a few km away. We could reach them if we wanted to or we could block them out. The earth is the center of the universe. The sun and stars go around it. For certain purposes of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume the earth goes around the sun and the stars are millions upon millions of km's away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you ever gotten double think?...The real power, the power that we have to fight for night and day is not power over things, but power over men...How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?"

Winston - "By making him suffer."

O'Brien - "Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering how can you be sure that he's obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of our own choosing. Do you begin to see then what kind of world we are creating?"

 

20 hours ago, ink said:

To add my above post quoting 1984 .... and why not as it is on topic considering the title of this thread .... the conversation continues thus ....

 

O'Brien:

It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined.

A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain.

The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement.

Everything else we shall destroy-everything.

Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution.

We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman.

No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer.

But in the future there will be no wives and no friends.

Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm.

Our neurologists are at work upon it now.

There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party.

There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother.

There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy.

There will be no art, no literature, no science.

When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science.

There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness.

There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life.

All competing pleasures will be destroyed.

But always-do not forget this, Winston-always there will be the intoxication of power,constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler.

 

Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face for ever.’

Wow !!
l've watched the film a few times just to remind myself how utterly grim it is.
There seems to be no hint or suggestion of this level of manipulation and control in the film.
l know that films can never cover the depth of a book but this is a big omission.
Looks like l've got to make a bit more room on my overstuffed book shelf..
 

[serpentine]

32 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

Can you briefly explain how this fits into the discussion on this thread re; Globe / FE please ?
Thanks

 

Having two competing systems of measurement in the air industry and other critical applications may lead to accidents especially when transitioning fron one to the other..

 

Having two competing systems in the perception consensus can causes a similar hiatus certainly in individuals.

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by serpentine

[zArk]

8 minutes ago, serpentine said:

Having two competing systems of measurement in the air industry and other critical applications may lead to accidents especially when transitioning fron one to the other..

 

“We are asked by science to believe that the entire universe sprang from nothingness, and at a single point and for no discernible reason. This notion is the limit case for credulity. In other words, if you can believe this, you can believe anything.

It is a notion that is, in fact, utterly absurd, yet terribly important. Those so-called rational assumptions flow from this initial impossible situation. Western religion has its own singularity in the form of the apocalypse, an event placed not at the beginning of the universe but at its end. This seems a more logical position than that of science. If singularities exist at all it seems easier to suppose that they might arise out of an ancient and highly complexified cosmos, such as our own, than out of a featureless and dimensionless mega-void.”

Terence McKenna

 

 

[zArk]

or a bit more concise by Terence

 

Give us one free miracle, and we'll explain the rest

[serpentine]

1 hour ago, Basket Case said:

Perhaps you could add that text to the video post ?
lt's nearly 20 minutes long and it's not obvious what you're getting at.
Thanks.

 

Most of the clips I've posted in this thread are for those with time on their hands to enjoy and for the younger generation who may not know of such things.

 

Keeping posts short helps with the current forum idiosyncracies and it's preferable for forum members to work things out for themselves rather than have the the dots connected for them.

 

(I wanted to remove the 2nd s from causes in a recent post and couldn't and just worked out you can't edit when a moderator is editing the post previous to that at the same time )

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by serpentine

[serpentine]

5 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

“We are asked by science to believe that the entire universe sprang from nothingness, and at a single point and for no discernible reason. This notion is the limit case for credulity. In other words, if you can believe this, you can believe anything.

 

 

Science is not a belief system.

 

It runs with theories till they are exhausted and then disposes of them or changes them as is necessary.

 

 

[zArk]

2 minutes ago, serpentine said:

 

Science is not a belief system.

 

It runs with theories till they are exhausted and then disposes of them or changes them as is necessary.

 

 

lol , ok if you say so

[serpentine]

I do and people should be very wary when the work of scientists is being funded by large corporations and by politicians with an agenda.

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1 hour ago, serpentine said:

Keeping posts short helps with the current forum idiosyncracies and it's preferable for forum members to work things out for themselves rather than have the the dots connected for them.

A basic description does help us to decide if we want to watch a 20 minute video.
And lets us all know if it's on topic 

[serpentine]

22 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

A basic description does help us to decide if we want to watch a 20 minute video.
And lets us all know if it's on topic 

 

True but Middle Earth Airways operating out of Gimli airport has a certain Tolkienesque charm about it and as far as I'm aware there is no Flat Earth airlines in existence operating services for just a few passengers and carrying 200% fuel capacity on take off..

 

 

[oddsnsods]

1 hour ago, Basket Case said:

 

Wow !!
l've watched the film a few times just to remind myself how utterly grim it is.
There seems to be no hint or suggestion of this level of manipulation and control in the film.
l know that films can never cover the depth of a book but this is a big omission.
Looks like l've got to make a bit more room on my overstuffed book shelf..
 

 

 

[bflat]

17 hours ago, Basket Case said:

lf you agree, then how about you stop using the word 'retard' ?  

The two retards in that video were either that or nasa shills... which basically are one in the same.

 

17 hours ago, Basket Case said:

lt doesn't spin either way..

You know this how? Have you the video?

 

17 hours ago, peter said:

Rain drops fall through air due to gravity

Bubbles rise through water due to relative boyency  which is also governed by gravity

How so?

 

And is it really hard to understand the real reason? That relative density explains it all? And if not, how so?

[bflat]

15 hours ago, serpentine said:

Science is not a belief system.

If science smacked some people in the face, they wouldn't know it. A giant percentage of our world has been indoctrinated into a religion - totally based on faith - that they never even signed up for and it's pitiful. It is the religion of scientism... gravity is their god.

[bflat]

22 hours ago, Messenger said:

Notice how you deflect from the video by asking a new question now that I have provided a video of some guys conducting an experiment that proves the Coriolis effect is real due to the Earth being a sphere. Lol. You are in jeopardy of being demoted. Does your military boss know that you suck at disinfo? He needs to get someone better in place of you and put you back on scrubbing toilets in the barracks.

[bflat]

22 hours ago, zArk said:

Would you describe a skydiver as sinking? But as you used the term and used grains of sand , millions of grains.

 

Displacement doesn't occur

 

How can gravity pull heavy objects to the surface but fail to keep lighthelium balloons down? 

[Messenger]

19 hours ago, alexa said:

 Why would you think this about people who are FE's. do you know how many of the genuine FE's have been de-platformed offa YouTube ?

Yes it's only the ones who work for the government (like  Mark Sargent) or the ones who debunk or ridicule FE who are left on there. Go check it out, type in flat earth on YouTube. Why are they always trying to to shut us up are they afraid of the truth?

 

You've been deceived. Many flat Earth youtube channels are agents who give that 75% or 90% of truth such as they cover psyops like the staged shootings to gain people's trust, people who believe they are awake, but then the agent gives that last bit of large fallacy to deceive people away from the ultimate challenge that humanity have faced since Roswell which is getting the truth from the government about aliens, or rather what people in that community call, "disclosure". The government still have not given humanity disclosure despite the many whistle blowers within the military and aerospace industry.

 

One such youtube channel I used to watch around 2015 was called, aplainetruth. If I recall correctly the guys name was Jaime. At the time the California "wild" fires were taking place and he was covering them claiming that direct energy weapons were used to start them, which they very well may have been since the burn patterns were very bizarre.

 

Then I noticed one night that he changed his channel to aplanetruth and he suddenly had a few videos talking about flat Earth. This was right before "Pizzagate" hit the youtube airwaves, almost as if he was an agent preparing to counter people's awakening to the child trafficking/sacrifice/adrenochrome and missing persons and the link to alien abductions and underground bases.

 

So either that guy was deceived himself and then accidentally deceiving his viewers/subscribers who trusted him, or he was an agent deceiving his viewers on purpose. There are a lot of agents on youtube. I don't know how people don't realize this considering youtube is google which is run by the NSA which is part of the CIA. The obvious tip off to youtube being massively corrupt began back when the Sandy Hook psyop "shooting" took place in Connecticut and the few independent investigators who dissected that sloppy psyop and exposed major people, their videos and channels were deleted. One guy exposed the local sheriff whose son was the attorney general or state attorney who helped get some law passed that said no files pertaining to the "shooting" could be examined. Another guy was a firefighter and he was found to be a Mason. In one "news" report on TV the lady said that a man was found in the woods fleeing police and when police asked him where he was headed he said to a freemason lodge! I shit you not. Of course that footage has disappeared from the net shortly after that and it's one of those vids I still kick myself for not saving.

 

That guys youtube channel who was deleted for dissecting the Sandy Hook psyop was "HowISeeSandyHook". Thankfully at the time I saved his videos before youtube deleted them because they went missing for years after youtube began their heavy crack down of truth channels.

 

But guess whose channels did not get deleted over all these years.... the channels who dissected some pysops but not so much that they exposed any people, while they also had flat Earth vids on their channel.

 

Oh, Russianvids is another one. ! I totally forgot about him. He used to do tons of vids dissecting psyops and then one day I noticed he too was propagating flat Earth. But thankfully I had already become privy to the space program so I knew at that point that he was a bullshit artist.

 

Recently, when watching one of the video's from HighImpactVlogs dude, I noticed he was wearing a shirt promoting flat Earth, basically the shirt was trashing NASA. That guy has a huge following ever since he started covering corona virus and now BLM and antifa. And guess what, he is former military or army. Now, I'm not saying all military people are bad or deceivers but every time there is staged shooting and some ridiculous psyop is taking place there seem to be US army, or former military people involved. The amount of military who work to keep the secret space program secret is much much larger than the courageous guys and girls who in many cases reluctantly share their experience because they know that it instantly puts a target on them. Like Emery Smith for example.

 

Having said that, I would be willing to bet that you haven't spent the hours upon hours and weeks and months and years it takes to find genuine people who are talking about that sensitive information of the ET/UFO/aerospace topic and actually listen to them and stop the video and then do additional searches with multiple pages open to cross check information, and then to put the pieces together to discern what's fact and what's bs. Maybe you're afraid, or maybe you don't have the intellect to process it, and that's ok, but I'm telling you that you have been deceived by flat Earth. The Earth is not flat, not in this physical world and those guys who did the Coriolis effect test with the kiddie pools and food dye proved it with real science.

 

So you are either one of the deceived, or you are one of the agents. Those are the only two explanations for flat Earth people.

[Messenger]

44 minutes ago, bflat said:

Did you just get to work? It's about quarter after 6 am in the UK right now.

 

Which military base are you stationed at?