The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[peter]

3 hours ago, zArk said:

calculations based upon assumptions

But in the clownspace thread you assume he's looking at a monitor, it seems assumptions are only valid from a certain side of the fence

[Campion]

5 hours ago, zArk said:

calculations based upon assumptions

 

Maybe there are assumptions involved in any line of enquiry. However I was responding to the statement that everyone believed the earth was flat before 1543. They did not, I learned about Eratosthenes at school. However I don't know about the other claims about the earth being motionless and the centre of the universe. 

 

On 12/2/2022 at 11:40 PM, Campion said:

 

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Campion

[zArk]

Just now, Campion said:

 

Maybe there are assumptions involved in any line of enquiry. However I was responding to the statement that everyone believed the earth was flat before 1543. They did not, I learned about Eratosthenes at school. However I don't know about the other claims about the earth being motionless and the centre of the universe. 

 

 

 

odd aint it, hundreds of years ago (so they say) the sun, moon, earth and universe was spherised and calculated but it was only 100 years ago Sir George Airy created a simple experiment to prove a spinning earth and instead proved it to be stationary

 

 

[alexa]

 

 

 

[alexa]

 

[peter]

7 hours ago, zArk said:

 

odd aint it, hundreds of years ago (so they say) the sun, moon, earth and universe was spherised and calculated but it was only 100 years ago Sir George Airy created a simple experiment to prove a spinning earth and instead proved it to be stationary

 

 

You have been told more than once what that experiment was for, if you are unable to comprehend the explanation or refuse to accept it that's on you and no matter how many times you regurgitate your assumption  it doesn't change a thing, odd aint it

 

 

 

Airy’s Failure was an experiment performed in 1871 in which Sir George Biddell Airy failed to confirm the aether theory by measuring stellar aberration. The phenomenon of stellar aberration, in itself, was the first direct evidence of Earth’s motion around the sun.

Flat-Earthers claim that the “failure” in “Airy’s Failure” is the failure of proving the motion of Earth. In reality, the experiment aimed to confirm the aether theory. The “failure” was in proving the aether theory. The experiment relied on the already accepted knowledge that Earth is in orbit around the sun.

 

The aether drag hypothesis predicted that a water-filled telescope should produce a different value of stellar aberration compared to an air-filled one. The change was not observed, hence the name “Airy’s failure.” The experiment helped in ruling out the aether theory.

Meanwhile, the phenomenon of stellar aberration is the annual shift of the apparent positions of stars. It was the first direct evidence of Earth’s motion around the sun, first observed in 1727 by James Bradley.

Sir Airy himself was very much aware of this fact, quite obviously. This is from the first paragraph of his publication:

“The subject to which attention is particularly called is the effect that will be produced on the apparent amount of that angular displacement of a star or planet which is caused by the Earth’s motion of translation, and is known as the Aberration of Light.”

 

Now here is a simple experiment that proves the earth is rotating ,which you seem to ignore or fail to grasp , anyone with a telescope that has a non tracking mount can attest to this fact . If you look at the moon ,or any other object for that matter they will always move out of your field of view in an arc to the right and it doesn't matter if you are looking at a close object ( moon) or one light years away the time it takes for the object to move out of your field of view is constant ( we are doing line of sight) because the rotation of the earth is constant.

This experiment also disproves the flat earth model of the sun and moon rotating over a flat earth(with it's pretty green circle of sunlight) ,which I have mentioned before and explained why but seems to get ignored as well for some reason.

Edited December 4, 2022 by peter

[alexa]

 

https://www.deanodle.org/videos-sermons2022

Edited December 4, 2022 by alexa

[webtrekker]

1 hour ago, peter said:

This experiment also disproves the flat earth model of the sun and moon rotating over a flat earth(with it's pretty green circle of sunlight) ,which I have mentioned before and explained why but seems to get ignored as well for some reason.

 

Strange that, isn't it?

 

Whenever we demolish their FE theory they either ignore us or regurgitate old posts which have themselves been debunked many times already.

 

I'm still waiting for a link to a Flat Earth Nautical Almanac which I know will never appear here because such a thing has never existed and never will.

 

FLAT EARTH - DEBUNKED!

 

 

 

 

 

[zArk]

18 hours ago, peter said:

But in the clownspace thread you assume he's looking at a monitor, it seems assumptions are only valid from a certain side of the fence

i didnt say the shape of the monitor, did i !

 

again you rush in, unthinking, like with all your snide digs 

 

 

 

[peter]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

i didnt say the shape of the monitor, did i !

 

again you rush in, unthinking, like with all your snide digs 

 

 

 

funnily enough I didn't mention the shape of a monitor either , anyone can see what you were trying to infer with that statement  so stop trying to reach for the moral high ground you always fall way short

Sorry but I always think about my snide digs, wrong again

 

I see you forgot to comment on my telescope experiment AGAIN  and the correct interpretation of Airy’s Failure

Edited December 5, 2022 by peter

[webtrekker]

Smiple question to Flat Earthers that I can't find the answer to on the internet ...

 

What is the diameter or the circumference of Flat Earth?

 

Surely this has been measured. We know the diameter of our Globe Earth to a high degree of accuracy.

 

 

 

[alexa]

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Edited December 6, 2022 by alexa

[peter]

I didn't know that god was a black guy with glasses,who would of thought,I hope he does a better job with that one

Edited December 6, 2022 by peter

[hardtruthspitta]

On 12/1/2022 at 7:41 AM, webtrekker said:

There's nothing at all 'hard' about this topic.

can you direct to a post or a link that shows where they measured the curve?

 

On 12/1/2022 at 7:41 AM, webtrekker said:

I still haven't received any answers as to where I might find a Nautical Almanac pertaining to Flat Earth, an essential tool for navigators. So, in my opinion, FE is just a fabricated nonsense.

good question, but you seem angry about this stuff. fwiw, you need to look at what happens with magnetic declination

 

especially the further south you travel

 

and historically, there have always been great problems and terrible tragedies south of the equator at sea since they ramped up the globe propaganda. this was posted on stolen history... pretty good site for this stuff.

 

[zArk]

On 12/4/2022 at 9:33 PM, peter said:

You have been told more than once what that experiment was for, if you are unable to comprehend the explanation or refuse to accept it that's on you and no matter how many times you regurgitate your assumption  it doesn't change a thing, odd aint it

 

 

 

Airy’s Failure was an experiment performed in 1871 in which Sir George Biddell Airy failed to confirm the aether theory by measuring stellar aberration. The phenomenon of stellar aberration, in itself, was the first direct evidence of Earth’s motion around the sun.

Flat-Earthers claim that the “failure” in “Airy’s Failure” is the failure of proving the motion of Earth. In reality, the experiment aimed to confirm the aether theory. The “failure” was in proving the aether theory. The experiment relied on the already accepted knowledge that Earth is in orbit around the sun.

 

The aether drag hypothesis predicted that a water-filled telescope should produce a different value of stellar aberration compared to an air-filled one. The change was not observed, hence the name “Airy’s failure.” The experiment helped in ruling out the aether theory.

Meanwhile, the phenomenon of stellar aberration is the annual shift of the apparent positions of stars. It was the first direct evidence of Earth’s motion around the sun, first observed in 1727 by James Bradley.

Sir Airy himself was very much aware of this fact, quite obviously. This is from the first paragraph of his publication:

“The subject to which attention is particularly called is the effect that will be produced on the apparent amount of that angular displacement of a star or planet which is caused by the Earth’s motion of translation, and is known as the Aberration of Light.”

 

Now here is a simple experiment that proves the earth is rotating ,which you seem to ignore or fail to grasp , anyone with a telescope that has a non tracking mount can attest to this fact . If you look at the moon ,or any other object for that matter they will always move out of your field of view in an arc to the right and it doesn't matter if you are looking at a close object ( moon) or one light years away the time it takes for the object to move out of your field of view is constant ( we are doing line of sight) because the rotation of the earth is constant.

This experiment also disproves the flat earth model of the sun and moon rotating over a flat earth(with it's pretty green circle of sunlight) ,which I have mentioned before and explained why but seems to get ignored as well for some reason.

you persist in failing to link Sagnacs experiment which destroyed relativity and thus proved the earth and Stars are independent of each other. The Stars move, the earth is stationary

 

additionally you fail to mention that Airy, like the vast majority of scientists, assumed the earth was rotating and assumed the earth was orbiting the Sun as his jumping off point to devise his experiment . His , and their, motivation is based upon unproven theories and attempting to frame the experiments results within a theorectical paradigm doesnt alter the results.

 

there was a slight deviation but nowhere near the amount theorised.

like with the Lake Ijssel experiment, there was a slight measured deviation but no where near the theorised curvature

like with Jerans hole box street experiment there was a slight deviation but no where near the theorised amount

 

 

So while you plagarise/or straight cut and paste the fake- Flat Earth Societies's hit piece you cannot avoid the results and you cannot avoid Sagnacs result.

 

i accept experiment results and i am still waiting for the theorectical curve to be measured and a spinning earth to be measured. It will never happen because Airy, Sagnac and Lake Ijssel show the data and that the theorectical spinning sphere is a myth.

Edited December 8, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

On 12/6/2022 at 10:37 AM, peter said:

I didn't know that god was a black guy with glasses,who would of thought,I hope he does a better job with that one

thats right,  ignore the white haired white woman and the bald white men

the black man needed the bigger picture because he is fat

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

On 12/5/2022 at 9:37 AM, webtrekker said:

Smiple question to Flat Earthers that I can't find the answer to on the internet ...

 

What is the diameter or the circumference of Flat Earth?

 

Surely this has been measured. We know the diameter of our Globe Earth to a high degree of accuracy.

 

 

 

jesus wept, big tears

 

this was done pages back. i attended to your needs with a few speculative figures and you just left that conversation dead. from what i remember i stated the dome/firmament would prevent getting high enough to see the entire earth. This is why NASA has to stitch photo strips together and CGI a globe to dazzle the believers.

 

You (jeeze, as if it was you that did it) have a theorectical diameter with calculated decimal places.

 

WE? why is it that heliocentrists when discussing the earth and space refer to all the work of past scientists as 'we'. Its like the football fan, sat home but claiming "we won the cup"

you did nowt. you just cut and paste other peoples theorectical calculations and postulations

 

i think it would be better that YOU reference your statements. I do.. I state Airy or Sagnac or FE CORE

if youre gonna say "we" ... tell us who actually calculated it.

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by zArk

[alexa]

I reckon all the obelisks around the world are all representations of the black magnetic rock which resides at the center of our earth, the north pole.

This statue resides at the Vatican, I know this obelisk is pictured on a sphere lol'z,  but they have to else it would give the game away.

 

 

Also you can just make out the pot holes which I reckon are entrances to the underworld, you'll also notice that these pot holes are only pictured on the top half of the sphere.

Edited December 8, 2022 by alexa

[alexa]

My thoughts on the greasy poles events held world wide.

 

Greasy pole, grease pole, or greased pole refers to a tall pole that has been made slippery with grease or other lubricants and thus difficult to grip. More specifically, it is the name of several events that involve staying on, climbing up, walking over or otherwise traversing such a pole. This kind of event exists in several variations around the world. It says that it is also used as a metaphor for the difficulty in achieving the top of one's career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greasy_pole

 

We know that this black magnetic  rock a the north pole is very smooth, very high & 33 miles in circumference, so are these events really representing the north pole, these events have been held for centuries & notice the wheel at the top of the pole.

 

 

[webtrekker]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

jesus wept, big tears

 

this was done pages back. i attended to your needs with a few speculative figures and you just left that conversation dead. from what i remember i stated the dome/firmament would prevent getting high enough to see the entire earth. This is why NASA has to stitch photo strips together and CGI a globe to dazzle the believers.

 

You (jeeze, as if it was you that did it) have a theorectical diameter with calculated decimal places.

 

WE? why is it that heliocentrists when discussing the earth and space refer to all the work of past scientists as 'we'. Its like the football fan, sat home but claiming "we won the cup"

you did nowt. you just cut and paste other peoples theorectical calculations and postulations

 

i think it would be better that YOU reference your statements. I do.. I state Airy or Sagnac or FE CORE

if youre gonna say "we" ... tell us who actually calculated it.

 

 

Another non-answer. Laughable!

 

Anyway, my question wasn't aimed specifically at YOU, I did say 'any Flat Earthers' and it seems none have the answer.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by webtrekker

[webtrekker]

2 hours ago, hardtruthspitta said:

good question, but you seem angry about this stuff. fwiw, you need to look at what happens with magnetic declination

 

especially the further south you travel

 

No, I don't need to look at magnetic declination, I know exactly what magnetic declination is.

 

What I was asking, and you Flat Earthers seem to be avoiding this question, is where can I obtain a copy of the Nautical Almanac for Flat Earth, either online or as a hard copy?

 

Navigators WORLDWIDE use the Nautical Almanac for the globe Earth to steer their vessels and they do this with extreme accuracy, so if the Flat Earth is to be believed then there MUST be many Nautical Almanacs available WORLDWIDE. So, where are they?

 

This is such a simple question that I can't understand why none of you can answer it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[peter]

2 hours ago, zArk said:

thats right,  ignore the white haired white woman and the bald white men

the black man needed the bigger picture because he is fat

 

Actually he was the only one with an unfinished terrarium,in case you didn't see ,funny how you only noticed he was fat

[peter]

2 hours ago, zArk said:

i accept experiment results and i am still waiting for the theorectical curve to be measured and a spinning earth to be measured. It will never happen because Airy, Sagnac and Lake Ijssel show the data and that the theorectical spinning sphere is a myth.

I have answered plenty of your questions,  answer one of mine for a change ,explain my telescope experiment and comment on the perceived problems I have with regards to your lasers and lakes ,and if you don't mind a little more than quote " moving right along" like last time would be appreciated

Edited December 8, 2022 by peter

[peter]

4 hours ago, zArk said:

jesus wept, big tears

 

this was done pages back. i attended to your needs with a few speculative figures and you just left that conversation dead. from what i remember i stated the dome/firmament would prevent getting high enough to see the entire earth. This is why NASA has to stitch photo strips together and CGI a globe to dazzle the believers.

 

You (jeeze, as if it was you that did it) have a theorectical diameter with calculated decimal places.

 

WE? why is it that heliocentrists when discussing the earth and space refer to all the work of past scientists as 'we'. Its like the football fan, sat home but claiming "we won the cup"

you did nowt. you just cut and paste other peoples theorectical calculations and postulations

 

i think it would be better that YOU reference your statements. I do.. I state Airy or Sagnac or FE CORE

if youre gonna say "we" ... tell us who actually calculated it.

 

  tell us who actually calculated it.

 

No worries ,right after you give me the FE working hypothesis ( one that makes sense )

[Origin]

On 12/6/2022 at 8:19 AM, alexa said:

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This model does not match the reality of Experiencer.