DaleP Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, alexa said: Well if your good at it, please can you put us all out of misery, is the earth flat or a ball ? Although I am improving on other area of skills (my recent achievements.... erasing clouds, requesting winds to clean out leaves, yes they were fantastic, the yard was spotless ), my astral projection skill needs to be refined further first luv. Edited November 8, 2022 by DaleP 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 9:38 AM, webtrekker said: The FE model has been completely debunked without the need for any scientific explanation by the simple fact that it is impossible in that model for the southern constellations to appear inverted in the sky, unlike in the REAL globe model. So, nothing more to be discussed from my standpoint. Anyone care to refute this is and provide solid evidence? In this day and age of mass deception. Are you not ashamed the way you and your ilk are coming across on this thread? Debunking this, shill shite that. It's all so tiresome. Use your critical thinking and not just regurgitate msm, blindly following what the "experts" say. The onus is not on the people who pull apart narratives to answer all your questions. The onus should be on the ones peddling this BS. It's very similar to when I try and talk to a normie about 911, 77, convid19. It's almost as if you have purposely forgotten about how they lie to us. Your question has been answered many times. But I will endeavour to try and explain once again. Stand in a room at one end. Where the light fixture is on the ceiling, stick a image of the number 6. Now walk to the other end of the room and look back to the ceiling. It's not a number 6 anymore but a number 9. It's that simple. What I find incredulous is the amount of time people dedicate to something that they don't believe in. The same names day in day out. It's such a negative way of living. Tbh it cones across as shill like. If you really want to believe in the cosy world that TPTB give you, then carry on. You might as well get jibbered jabbered too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/7/2022 at 8:50 PM, Bombadil said: I was looking for an answer not a guess. That is not becoming of a gentleman mate. All that does is stiffle worthy debate. Why and how is Zark supposed to answer everything with such clarity and conviction? After all we are mere pawns on the grand chess board. Ask the overlords to show us a unadulterated photo of earth, show us a gyroscope moving how it should around the globe, or explain why I can go from one side of this realm to the other with a spirit level and never see a curve, explain how the atmosphere is velcroed to the terrain. Shit mate there are a ton more of these. Believe it or not, I am neither a flat earther or globe head. I am just long in the tooth to see the same modus operandi operating and speaking out. It's very disappointing to see this type of debating on this forum. Are we not here for the same reason?I've tried to defend this forum on numerous occasions to various members from other forums I frequent. But it's becoming more and more difficult to do so. As everything it seems is controlled op. For example I don't believe in the whole UFO stuff, but I don't go on their threads and take the piss. Each and to their own. Why do posters, the same posters, troll the flat earth stuff? If it matters not one iota to their lives? I find it very weird and strange behaviour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 8:56 AM, Bombadil said: I agree with your point in principal but at a certain point both sides of the argument, not yourself, need to agree on a functional framework by which to investigate. Since the beginning it has always been that no one agrees with the other side on anything. whether this is because they believe something to be wrong or just to argue is moot now. For me Mathematics and scientific method should be used. Bomb brother. Do agree with anything that the convid19 crew spout? You say mathematics and scientific methods should be used. Do you agree that in this case we should go by empirical and not theoretical? I.e euclidean and not non euclidean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, The Illuminator said: Bomb brother. Do agree with anything that the convid19 crew spout? You say mathematics and scientific methods should be used. Do you agree that in this case we should go by empirical and not theoretical? I.e euclidean and not non euclidean? It's funny, I was listening to a podcast about Antartica last night. Eventually they discussed flat Earth etc. The presenter did make a really good point. It was that to clear up the matter once and for all they should allow free access to explore Antartica. That the usual excuses of protecting it etc down carry much weight when you consider how the rest of the Earth is treated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 hours ago, The Illuminator said: That is not becoming of a gentleman mate. All that does is stiffle worthy debate. Youre right. I apologise to all for my comments and attitude on this thread. I love open debate but as a mod, not member, I am inundated with complaints. All members need to be respectful at all times, including myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 MOD NOTE: @The Illuminator has made some really good points above.. Flat Earth discussion is going to continue regardless of how anyone feels about this. On multiple occasions in the past members have been asked to keep the content polite at all times. This really needs to be respected. Anyone choosing to insult, and ridicule will be excluded from the discussion. Repeatedly demanding a response to a question will no longer be acceptable. If you are given a reply, come up with a counter argument. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) If we are in a simulation, then like a computer game we are only presented with scenes, and the universe is how we perceive it. There is no logic to Nasa's claim that stars can not be filmed in space other than the constellations would be too difficult to fake. Edited November 27, 2022 by Diesel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 This video is dedicated to those who wish to debunk the Flat Earth. There are at least 12 things you NEED TO KNOW going into such an endeavor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Jason is gaining momentum at the moment as is the Simulation theory with Howdie Mickoski doing similar stuff. i am very much into the world being a simulation but the real is not. this presentation by Jason is fascinating screenshot presentation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 MOD NOTE: IF ANYONE HAS ANY ISSUES, PLEASE USE THE REPORT FUNCTION. Please don't argue issues in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Diesel Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I believe simulation theory is not inconsistent with God, the Bible or Flat earth, in fact its proof of it. This photo looks so fake (from nasa) , there simply is no explanation as why stars are not photographed from space. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Diesel said: What are you trying to show here? Bombadil has already said that posting images and videos without explanation is not acceptable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Diesel said: Can you add some context to the pictures please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 46 minutes ago, Diesel said: I believe simulation theory is not inconsistent with God, the Bible or Flat earth, in fact its proof of it. I wouldn't go as far as that, but I do believe in the possibility that we may live in a simulation and that the Planck length determines the structure of the simulation. As for anything else, there's no way we could possibly work out that we're in a simulation. You'd have to be outside of the simulation to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, webtrekker said: What are you trying to show here? Bombadil has already said that posting images and videos without explanation is not acceptable. That is correct but I is also no longer acceptable to insult or ridicule. I am not saying you are doing this. The general trolling etc does need to stop though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) I know Bomb has asked for physical or mathematical proof instead of assumptions and unverifiable hearsay, so how about Flatters providing some. For example, show the full calculation of the exact position of the Moon in the sky at 12am on Christmas Day, 2022 using Flat Earth as the model? I can provide these calculations with regard to the Globe Earth model with ease and you will find them to be spot-on at the specified time and date. I don't think it's unrealistic to ask such a question as these calculations are used daily by many professions and lives often depend upon their accuracy. [Note: Such calculations, as used by astronmoers and navigators, depend upon Spherical Trigonometry which of course you won't be able to use in a Flat Earth determination and this is why I'm particularly interested in the results, assuming someone can actually provide them, of course]. Edited November 28, 2022 by webtrekker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Mod Note: Stop mentioning me please. Any mod notes prior to the most recent unlocking are now finished. We go afresh from this point onwards, There is no issue with conjecture and theories. All science stems from imagination and sometimes crazy ideas. The issue is the insults and trolling in replies to other posts. The original reasonI asked for specific info was because of the constant bickering and abuse. I was trying to find solutions on how to move forward. Almost everything that every moderator has tried has been ignored historically. There have been enough warnings about behaviour towards other members in the past. Everyone is aware of this. Going forward members will be placed on mod of content. This is not Bombadil being a fascist or worse than Klaus Schwab, its mods following the rules set out to everyone. All moderators want is a decent adult discussion where members can agree to disagree. If FE really pisses you off find something else to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, webtrekker said: I know Bomb has asked for physical or mathematical proof instead of assumptions and unverifiable hearsay, so how about Flatters providing some. For example, show the full calculation of the exact position of the Moon in the sky at 12am on Christmas Day, 2022 using Flat Earth as the model? I can provide these calculations with regard to the Globe Earth model with ease and you will find them to be spot-on at the specified time and date. I don't think it's unrealistic to ask such a question as these calculations are used daily by many professions and lives often depend upon their accuracy. [Note: Such calculations, as used by astronmoers and navigators, depend upon Spherical Trigonometry which of course you won't be able to use in a Flat Earth determination and this is why I'm particularly interested in the results, assuming someone can actually provide them, of course]. Ok, maybe that was a question more aimed at the mathematically-minded than members with other equally interesting viewpoints, so I'll simplify my question to this ... Can anyone, (supporters of Globe or Flat Earth models) point me to where I can obtain, online or in printed format, a copy of the Nautical Almanac produced for a Flat Earth? I cannot find one anywhwere, even though very accurate Nautical Almanacs based on the Globe Earth model are produced every year worldwide and their accuracy has never been disputed? I believe I have adhered to the posting guidelines in asking this question and would really appreciate a respectful answer. Thank you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I tried to go back and add captions to my pictures, The top one is from Nasa and resembles the Star Wars Death Star, The second one is a Mirage (glitch in the matrix) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 56 minutes ago, Diesel said: I tried to go back and add captions to my pictures, The top one is from Nasa and resembles the Star Wars Death Star, The second one is a Mirage (glitch in the matrix) I can see that the ship is in the water. And I can understand that it's because the camera is just third-rate, I bet there are cameras that can zoom in much further. But that's not my point. There are no glitches in the matrix. So-called reality is ultimate. Perfection. If something seems like a so-called anomaly, it is supposed to be detected by humans. And it will never be possible for humans to narrow them down spatially. All astronomers try by all means to capture reality spatially. And on the small scale it is just as impossible to capture even one coherent layer in real spatial terms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Origin said: I can see that the ship is in the water It's floating above the Horizon can you not see that? Scientists explain such anomalies as atmospheric I just think there glitches in the simulation. Edited November 28, 2022 by Diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Diesel said: It's floating above the Horizon can you not see that? Scientists explain such anomalies as atmospheric I just think there glitches in the simulation. A single image downloaded from the internet proves nothing. To me the ship appears to levitate due to atmospheric effects, but you also can't rule out that it may have been Photoshopped. Mind you, if that ship had actually been levitating then you would see the rest of the hull that is usually below the waterline. So, either an atmospheric 'mirage' or a badly Photoshopped image. Take your pick! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, webtrekker said: A single image downloaded from the internet proves nothing. To me the ship appears to levitate due to atmospheric effects, but you also can't rule out that it may have been Photoshopped. Mind you, if that ship had actually been levitating then you would see the rest of the hull that is usually below the waterline. So, either an atmospheric 'mirage' or a badly Photoshopped image. Take your pick! Get the feeling no matter what photo is posted you will say something similar. Talking of photoshop... Please answer a simple question... Why are no stars or constellations not in Nasa photos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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