The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[peter]

59 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

Why would the sun never set on a flat earth? 

Think in 3d and look at the FE model with the green circle ( it has been posted many times) you will now the answer

[alexa]

15 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

Jan Lamparcht(spelling?) talked about reaserch that proved the earth is hollow

 

i'll try to dig out the lecture  i watched

 

This is an interesting concept SE, is this his lecture that you mention ?

 

https://youtu.be/aw0kab45BvI

 

[truepositive]

Here is the question once again, in an a-symmetric pancake in a snowglobe model, neither 'classical' gravity or electromagnetism can be responsible for falling speeds of objects being practically equal everywhere.

The only way this works is with a set of equally distributed objects UNDER the pancake to exert forces, but the snowglobe model does not include those. If such is the case, what force or mechanism IS responsible instead?

 

As long as there is no answer to this question the whole idea has to be dismissed as utter bunk. And no, the elephants carrying Atuin's shell is not acceptable.

[peter]

22 hours ago, alexa said:

Operation High Jump 1946..............Discovery of the ice wall

Operation Deep Freeze 1955...........Discovery of the Firmament

Nasa Founded 1958........................The Firmament is the Van Allen belts

Antarctic Treaty 1959......................Guarding the Firmament

Operation Fishbowl 1962...............Bombing the Firmament

Apollo Mission 1969.......................Hoax to Hide the Firmament

Sorry you must have missed my question ,but what web site did you get this information from or is it a secret

[zArk]

5 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

I have seen this before...although I see what youre trying to say, it is pretty basic...do you have any other videos that are helpful in this regard?

yes there are plenty of other than can assist in visualising different concepts however i must interject

 with this

 

 

[alexa]

3 hours ago, truepositive said:

The only way this works is with a set of equally distributed objects UNDER the pancake to exert forces, but the snowglobe model does not include those. If such is the case, what force or mechanism IS responsible instead?

 

Math's not being one of my greatest subjects, I'm prepared to give it ago.

 

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ISAAC NEWTON, THE CALCULUS THIEF: (some excerpts)

He copied his laws of gravity from "Surya Sidhanta" the great Sanskrit astronomical work written in the Vedic age . Reproduced in another written text by Bhaskara , 1200 years before Newton it clearly explains gravity without an apple. However Vedic gravity was a push

 

ATTRACTION = PRESSURE EXERTED FROM OUTSIDE PUSHING TWO OBJECTS TOGETHER


We are told that the Calculus was copied from Indian sources (Kerala), 

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1574605#msg1574605

 

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The next question naturally is this: if Newton and Leibniz did not quite understand the calculus, how did they invent it?

 

Calculus is widely regarded as a very hard math class, and with good reason. The concepts take you far beyond the comfortable realms of algebra and geometry that you've explored in previous courses. Calculus asks you to think in ways that are more abstract, requiring more imagination.

 

The push has something to with magnetism, two forces attracting one another.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by alexa

[zArk]

3 hours ago, truepositive said:

Here is the question once again, in an a-symmetric pancake in a snowglobe model, neither 'classical' gravity or electromagnetism can be responsible for falling speeds of objects being practically equal everywhere.

The only way this works is with a set of equally distributed objects UNDER the pancake to exert forces, but the snowglobe model does not include those. If such is the case, what force or mechanism IS responsible instead?

 

As long as there is no answer to this question the whole idea has to be dismissed as utter bunk. And no, the elephants carrying Atuin's shell is not acceptable.

 

1. an unexplained or unknown does not negate measured and verified elements

2. you assume a specific size 'snowglobe' without stating it

3. you assume a specific size asymmetrical flat plane

 

 

 

can you state specifically your snowglobe size and your asymmetical shape & size.

additionally you write 'practically equal' can you highlight these discrepancies ?

 

really need clarification

 

 

[Bombadil]

8 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

Thats assuming one knows the actual happenings of time and space so to speak. I guess for me it brings up a question of reflection...but all in all there are more questions than answers it seems.

I agree with your point in principal but at a certain point both sides of the argument, not yourself, need to agree on a functional framework by which to investigate. Since the beginning it has always been that no one agrees with the other side on anything. whether this is because they believe something to be wrong or just to argue is moot now.

 

For me Mathematics and scientific method should be used. 

[truepositive]

The clarification of point 1 is simply that the predicated model has a 180-degree distribution, it's implied within every logical description of it. Secondly, the dimensions of the model within provided parameters are irrelevant to the question at hand. You could ascribe any given number to them, and the same question would still arise without an inherently provided answer. Bigger numbers same fundamental questions.

 

Fourth of all, Eric Dubay is a sociopathic grifter looking for attention. He posted a video about 'why the shape of the earth is such a secret' building towards the grand conclusion that, yes, asking this question is proof you are an idiot, because 'they lie about everything'.

 

NASA having a 'HUGE BUDGET' is surely a reason for being invested in this narrative. In this same movie he randomly noted shit about our financial and health and spiritual systems that are fucked as collateral reasons for the shape of the planet being a huge secret. All of the things that 95% of forum posters here have known about for years, are clear reasons why THIS particular story is crucially important. Except he provides no specific reasoning for that. At all. None

 

Just waving a giant red flag. "Hey guys look over here". "You need to care about this, its really important".

"I can't tell you why but believe me guys, revelations are around the corner".

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Itsa
Remove personal attack

[truepositive]

Im going to to take that first official DI moderation in my 14 year stint as a badge of honor. This topic is a psy-op that is hurting humanity.

[Bombadil]

4 minutes ago, truepositive said:

Im going to to take that first official DI moderation in my 14 year stint as a badge of honor. This topic is a psy-op that is hurting humanity.

Why would you be moderated for believing FE is a psy op?

[Bombadil]

1 hour ago, Bombadil said:

For me Mathematics and scientific method should be used. 

MOD NOTE: I think the above quote is a reasonable and fair way to continue. If you cannot post something that can be broken down, replicated and proven to be correct, it has no worth here. In this I mean in context to the Flat Earth discussion not in the general discussion about the nature of reality. Hearsay and random videos add nothing. Virtually every video has been debunked. There are plenty of topics where members can discuss the nature of reality etc. Use them instead.

In future this topic needs to up its game. The Flat Earth subject as a whole, casts an enormous cloud over all Forums and discussions such as this one. It is constantly used as an example by the powers that be to ridicule all alternative discussion.

 

As a mod and a member, I have a responsibility to encourage thought provoking discussion.

 

No reply necessary.

[truepositive]

I got personal, Itsa was right, no worries about all that. I do appreciate the firm stance taken here as well, thank you.

[Bombadil]

13 minutes ago, truepositive said:

I got personal, Itsa was right, no worries about all that. I do appreciate the firm stance taken here as well, thank you.

Thank you. I hadn't seen what Itsa had done!

[webtrekker]

1 hour ago, truepositive said:

Im going to to take that first official DI moderation in my 14 year stint as a badge of honor. This topic is a psy-op that is hurting humanity.

 

A psyop indeed.

 

You know, I myself used to believe the Flat Earth Theory for about 4 years. When I reached the age of 5 though I began to see the world differently!

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by webtrekker

[Bombadil]

1 hour ago, webtrekker said:

 

Only right, too, but where's the discussion when the Flat Earthers are blanking every post I'm making because they know they can't answer the question? Why can't they just admit they don't know?

 

This is becoming a totally one-sided 'discussion' in favour of Flat Earth.

 

Might I suggest we make a list of questions from both sides and work through the list, ONE QUESTION AT A TIME and don't proceed any further until satisfactory answers FROM BOTH SIDES have been obtained, and that EVERY post must be answered?

 

 

 

 

You might suggest. Please let me and Itsa deal with it. You concentrate on producing the quality posts I am now asking for!

[zArk]

2 hours ago, truepositive said:

The clarification of point 1 is simply that the predicated model has a 180-degree distribution, it's implied within every logical description of it. Secondly, the dimensions of the model within provided parameters are irrelevant to the question at hand. You could ascribe any given number to them, and the same question would still arise without an inherently provided answer. Bigger numbers same fundamental questions.

size is hugely important, you are thinking to small. i think the 'snowglobe' image has limited your perspective

 

additionally why do you think the cause of objects falling to ground is the same shape as or is the firmament?

also why do you think that the corresponding 'objects' under the earth are limited to the size and shape of the known earth?

 

this is why i point out size is important. the causation of electrostatic potentional is gaussian surfaces which *could* exceed the limits of the 'snowglobe' in constant parallel. Additionally the firmament could be vastly larger than how the snowglobe model depicts the earth and thus the chord length be negligible, relative to the size of the earth.

 

you have assumed many important factors and asked the thread to answer based upon those undisclosed specifics.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by zArk

[screamingeagle]

11 hours ago, alexa said:

 

This is an interesting concept SE, is this his lecture that you mention ?

 

https://youtu.be/aw0kab45BvI

 

yes 

[Bombadil]

31 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

So now you're saying that this 'firmament' isn't a dome at all but an enormous 'globular bubble' in the centre of which resides your Flat Earth disc?

 

That's a hell of a U-turn! You should be in government!

 

 

 

 

No hes not saying its a globular bubble at all. Read the post Zark responded to

[webtrekker]

 

46 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

No hes not saying its a globular bubble at all. Read the post Zark responded to

 

Sorry, but I don't get that.

 

zArk said ...

 

1 hour ago, zArk said:

Additionally the firmament could be vastly larger than how the snowglobe model depicts the earth and thus the chord length be negligible, relative to the size of the earth.

 

If, as in all the FE models I've seen so far, the firmament is a hemisphere (snowglobe), then it's size is restricted to that of the diameter of the FE disc. Agreed?

 

 

To say it is much bigger and of negligible chord length implies that the Flat Earth 'floats' inside this massive firmament, (necessarily globular in nature because, as zArk says, you can construct a chord inside of it).

 

 

 

 

Please explain where I am wrong here?

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by webtrekker

[Bombadil]

18 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

 

Sorry, but I don't get that.

 

zArk said ...

 

 

If, as in all the FE models I've seen so far, the firmament is a hemisphere (snowglobe), then it's size is restricted to that of the diameter of the FE disc. Agreed?

 

 

To say it is much bigger and of negligible chord length implies that the Flat Earth 'floats' inside this massive firmament, globular in nature because as zArk says, you can construct a chord inside of it.

 

 

 

 

Please explain where I am wrong here?

 

 

 

Sorry maybe I misinterpreted what I read before

[DaleP]

I think you lot ought to c.....a....l....m down a bit. I feel tension in this thread.

People should be able to discuss freely especially the thread is in private section away from preying eyes.

 

If people learn how to astral travel, this thread will end. But of course you need to be good at it.

Edited November 8, 2022 by DaleP

[DaleP]

A really sensible question....

Who cleans the dome then? Surely, with all that pollution we are churning out, the dome gets dirty? Or is it some kind of ionic reaction that no dirt attaches to the glass dome?

We could do with such technology on windows of all kinds.

[alexa]

6 minutes ago, DaleP said:

If people learn how to astral travel, this thread will end. But of course you need to be good at it.

 

Well if your good at it, please can you put us all out of misery, is the earth flat or a ball ?

[alexa]

5 minutes ago, DaleP said:

We could do with such technology on windows of all kinds.

 

There is but it's expensive.