webtrekker Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 7 hours ago, zArk said: just tell me why you ignore Airys failure and Sagnacs experiment? why do you continue without measurement of a curve? Ok, ok, I've had enough of this crazy shit. I'm going to nail this right here and now. Let's see you provide a sensible answer to the following ... Flat Earthers say the stars are projected onto, or embedded in, the firmament. They can't exist outside of it. Agreed? If I'm standing at your North Pole and look up then Polaris should be almost directly above me. Agreed? If I'm standing in Australia, then the Southern cross should be visible above me, albeit not directly above. Agreed? Now, tell me this ... Since your world is FLAT, then both Polaris AND the Southern Cross will be visible above the horizon AT THE SAME TIME!!! Agreed? BUT THEY ARE NOT, and NEVER HAVE BEEN!!! So how do you explain this? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujangles Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Apparently this is a rare astronomical phenomenon... An Aurora Vortex. Anyone want to shed light on how its created from a flat earth or otherwise perspective? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 MOD NOTE: Stop the bs Everyone. No reply needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Beaujangles said: Apparently this is a rare astronomical phenomenon... An Aurora Vortex. Anyone want to shed light on how its created from a flat earth or otherwise perspective? What a beautiful Picture. Sorry-I hadn't heard of an Aurora Vortex before now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujangles Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, alexa said: What a beautiful Picture. Sorry-I hadn't heard of an Aurora Vortex before now. Yes, I found it very lovely...and wondered how such a phenomenon could form. Especially how it could evolve from a flat earth perspective or otherwise. Edited November 1, 2022 by Beaujangles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 7 hours ago, webtrekker said: Ok, ok, I've had enough of this crazy shit. I'm going to nail this right here and now. Let's see you provide a sensible answer to the following ... Flat Earthers say the stars are projected onto, or embedded in, the firmament. They can't exist outside of it. Agreed? If I'm standing at your North Pole and look up then Polaris should be almost directly above me. Agreed? If I'm standing in Australia, then the Southern cross should be visible above me, albeit not directly above. Agreed? Now, tell me this ... Since your world is FLAT, then both Polaris AND the Southern Cross will be visible above the horizon AT THE SAME TIME!!! Agreed? BUT THEY ARE NOT, and NEVER HAVE BEEN!!! So how do you explain this? I think you can expect the same response when this question was asked last time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Beaujangles said: Yes, I found it very lovely...and wondered how such a phenomenon could form. Especially how it could evolve from a flat earth perspective or otherwise. I don't know about this Aurora Vortex but I believe Polaris to be Gods throne with the emerald lights being emitted from it. Remember the film the wizard of oz ? A complete piss take against God. https://youtu.be/2X92fZ6Q9C0 https://www.tiktok.com/@truth_seeker53.3/video/7124738383859125550?is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7124738383859125550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Beaujangles said: Apparently this is a rare astronomical phenomenon... An Aurora Vortex. Anyone want to shed light on how its created from a flat earth or otherwise perspective? Looks just like a Photoshopped sunset to me, distorted by using the Rectangular to Polar Coordinates Effects filter. Here's an (admittedly very rough and quick) example I've just knocked up ... Original Polar Distortion in PS Cropped Final 'Vortex' image I could have spent longer on this and produced a much more polished final image but I think you'll get the idea. The giveaway is the curved horizon. Edited November 2, 2022 by webtrekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujangles Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, webtrekker said: Looks just like a Photoshopped sunset to me, distorted by using the Rectangular to Polar Coordinates Effects filter. Here's an (admittedly very rough and quick) example I've just knocked up ... I could have spent longer on this and produced a much more polished final image but I think you'll get the idea. The giveaway is the curved horizon. Yes, could be.... thanks for posting that. I found this one as well which looks just as curved....so who knows: https://science.nasa.gov/vortex-aurora-over-iceland Edited November 2, 2022 by Beaujangles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, webtrekker said: Since your world is FLAT, then both Polaris AND the Southern Cross will be visible above the horizon AT THE SAME TIME!!! Agreed? nope, thats not what is experienced with the Sun and Moon so its no different with the other Stars Sunrise/set at London is a 90 degree sun at Sumatra and Galapagos , 6400 miles between London and those. Sunset/rise is a 30 degree angle, not a fixed horizon of earth. As sunlight doesnt reach London light has a finite distance through dense air (below 30 degrees visual angle) Same with other Stars at the firmament but at varying heights JTOLAN measured some stars at 4100 miles. So some will be seen at both London and Sydney but others will be below the 30 degree visual limit. So once more i ask In the helio model how does 2 equi-distant latitude points from teh equator ,on the same line of longitude, experience Equilux on different days and why dont they experience Equilux upon the the Equinox? (stanley and marys harbour) 15 hours ago, webtrekker said: Flat Earthers say the stars are projected onto, or embedded in, the firmament. They can't exist outside of it. Agreed? No , i dont agree. I have read many different perspectives. Some say the Stars are above the firmament, some say Stars are living in the waters above the firmament, some say the firmament contains the waters, some say. Edited November 2, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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webtrekker Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 hours ago, zArk said: nope, thats not what is experienced with the Sun and Moon so its no different with the other Stars Sunrise/set at London is a 90 degree sun at Sumatra and Galapagos , 6400 miles between London and those. Sunset/rise is a 30 degree angle, not a fixed horizon of earth. As sunlight doesnt reach London light has a finite distance through dense air (below 30 degrees visual angle) Same with other Stars at the firmament but at varying heights JTOLAN measured some stars at 4100 miles. So some will be seen at both London and Sydney but others will be below the 30 degree visual limit. So once more i ask In the helio model how does 2 equi-distant latitude points from teh equator ,on the same line of longitude, experience Equilux on different days and why dont they experience Equilux upon the the Equinox? (stanley and marys harbour) No , i dont agree. I have read many different perspectives. Some say the Stars are above the firmament, some say Stars are living in the waters above the firmament, some say the firmament contains the waters, some say. Your answer doesn't make sense. How come the constellation Orion, which is still visible 75° South of the Equator, appears UPSIDE-DOWN in the sky when viewed from these southerly locations? How do you explain that in the FE model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, webtrekker said: Your answer doesn't make sense. How come the constellation Orion, which is still visible 75° South of the Equator, appears UPSIDE-DOWN in the sky when viewed from these southerly locations? How do you explain that in the FE model? same as moon move on to equilux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, zArk said: same as moon move on to equilux No, I'll not move on until you've made a sensible reply and provide proof as to how Orion can appear upside-down when viewd from south of the Equator in your FE model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, webtrekker said: No, I'll not move on until you've made a sensible reply and provide proof as to how Orion can appear upside-down when viewd from south of the Equator in your FE model i can wait like i am waiting for the explanation to when, at a Selenelion, refraction of the Sun actually happens also i am waiting for the admittance that the 2012 blue marble of north america is obviously fake making the Suomi NPP satellite a big pile of fakery. I am also wondering if you are all-in on the the DSCVR 2015 image, which is very much similar to the celestia cgi, so we can then use it as your rule-of-thumb? Edited November 2, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, zArk said: i can wait like i am waiting for the explanation to when, at a Selenelion, refraction of the Sun actually happens also i am waiting for the admittance that the 2012 blue marble of north america is obviously fake making the Suomi NPP satellite a big pile of fakery. I am also wondering if you are all-in on the the DSCVR 2015 image, which is very much similar to the celestia cgi, so we can then use it as your rule-of-thumb? So you don't know! Thought so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, webtrekker said: So you don't know! Thought so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legion Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Can l suggest it's a stalemate.....and that we all move forwards and focus on other things in this Realm...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, legion said: Can l suggest it's a stalemate.....and that we all move forwards and focus on other things in this Realm...? no, because it isnt Airys failure and Sagnacs experiment destroy the spinning earth and Relativity If the Helios measure a curve i will be interested Nasa is faking space this is a fundamental issue of the world. It is part of the fear system that is destroying people. The sphere model is shown to be a big lie and suddenly Amnesty is asked for. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, zArk said: no, because it isnt Airys failure and Sagnacs experiment destroy the spinning earth and Relativity If the Helios measure a curve i will be interested Nasa is faking space this is a fundamental issue of the world. It is part of the fear system that is destroying people. The sphere model is shown to be a big lie and suddenly Amnesty is asked for. Distraction tactics. Just say you haven't a clue why Orion appears upside-down when viewed from Australia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, webtrekker said: Distraction tactics. Just say you haven't a clue why Orion appears upside-down when viewed from Australia. go measure a curve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, zArk said: go measure a curve There are exactly ZERO natural straight lines in the known universe. Not one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 37 minutes ago, zArk said: go measure a curve Haha! I've got you with that one haven't I zark! Your whole FE model has just collapsed under a simple little observation that you can find no explanation for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 MOD NOTE: It would appear that despite regular warnings to stop the bickering, nobody is prepared to listen. So all members posting on this thread understand clearly, anyone still bickering after the thread is unlocked will be placed on moderation of content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 17 hours ago, zArk said: go measure a curve There is no need when you can actually see one, the following pictures were put up by B flat on the first page of this thread as evidence of a flat earth the first two are typical however the bottom one clearly shows curvature. Notice how the red line is thicker than the other two so it can be placed lower on the apex of the curve to hide it somewhat and also the red line does not travel to the extremities to the field of view so as not to make the curvature even more pronounced. I have brought this to your attention a couple times now zark just to be ignored as usual These are what horizons look like when not photographed by freemasons with their gopros: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RUI45ND-Hts/VMNQx2uD6XI/AAAAAAAAPgY/qIJQf7eGM_M/s1600/flat-earth-horizon-flat.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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