DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, endfreemasonscum said: Can you give us your top 3, or even 1 proof that the nasa story is real? Honestly, I've been looking for a few weeks and I can't find one. Yes, this is weird, but if you take nasa out, what do you really have? Don't need a top three. It's all true. Meanwhile, every single Apollo hoax nut job claim has been debunked, decade after decade. You know this of course, but I love these little games you make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, endfreemasonscum said: Question for the flat Earth: Can you explain the DIRECT flights from Santiago to Sydney? Why is my big toe shorter than my second toe but only on my left foot, bloody masons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 37 minutes ago, peter said: Why is my big toe shorter than my second toe but only on my left foot, bloody masons You can put it in simple language for them, but it's always going to be a masonic conspiracy. https://monroeaerospace.com/blog/why-dont-airplanes-fly-over-the-pacific-ocean/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 @DarianF Can you tell me why you don't believe that the earth is flat & that we landed on the moon ? I can understand Mr Nice as he's just a paid shill, but not an intelligent person such as yourself. Just curious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, alexa said: @DarianF Can you tell me why you don't believe that the earth is flat & that we landed on the moon ? I can understand Mr Nice as he's just a paid shill, but not an intelligent person such as yourself. Just curious! Hi @DarianF,I don't wish to put words in your mouth ,but if you don't mind I would love to answer this ,feel free to elaborate if you wish . That's easy alexa I will use your own method of debate to answer "BECAUSE ", that just about covers all aspects I think, now if I was just computer literate enough to put up a bloody stupid meme to drive the point home that would in my eyes be irrefutable evidence and the debate would be over, but alas I fear it will continue for some time as most of the FE constituents obviously suffer from that horrible psychosomatic eating disorder that requires one to regurgitate when they feel they are (full of shit,I hope god doesn't read the fine print) at a loss and need to repeat themselves time and time again Edited March 31, 2022 by peter 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) On 3/28/2022 at 1:43 PM, Mr. Nice said: 1. There are no time stamps on the video. So your silly timeanddate map is irrelevant. 2. There is no evidence on that video that the Sun has risen. 3. Your times for Alamogordo do not apply to an elevated position to the West - it sees earlier Sun and later Moon. 1. timeanddate map is officialdom. i am trying to help you determine a time when the refraction occurred. 2. maybe the Sun didnt rise in Alamogordo on 10th December 2011????? 3. The times are officially a pain in your beee hind as they state for 2 mins in Alamogordo, Las Cruces , sante fe and Albuquerque the Sun and Eclipsed Moon were both in the sky at the same time. The elevation of a video camera at Alamogordo doesnt change the sun rise /moonset in Las Cruces or Albuquergue or santa fe Edited March 31, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 1:35 PM, Mr. Nice said: Would you like me to show you a video of two sunsets using a drone going up a few hundred metres? Impossible on a flat Earth. no it is not and i am happy to discuss this with you later On 3/28/2022 at 1:35 PM, Mr. Nice said: 2. The actual Sunrise figure of 06:53 is not the time when the Sun is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction. 3. The actual Moonset figure of 06:55 is not the time when the Moon is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction. 4. Your video doesn't show the visible Sun - or am I missing something here? doesnt matter as there are other places in New Mexico that had the Selenelion for 2mins, officially the fact is there are 2 mins which had both sun and eclipsed moon in the sky together refraction i hear you type please tell me when the refraction occurred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 1:43 PM, Mr. Nice said: What are you using to determine that the Sun has risen? the official data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 1:35 PM, Mr. Nice said: Well duhhhh, it was cited to show that the Sun is visible at higher elevation when it is not visible at sea level, where your figures come from. SEA LEVEL yes and at whatever level time&date uses (consistently) the sun rose and for 2 mins the moon was in the sky at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 hours ago, peter said: Hi @DarianF,I don't wish to put words in your mouth ,but if you don't mind I would love to answer this ,feel free to elaborate if you wish . That's easy alexa I will use your own method of debate to answer "BECAUSE ", that just about covers all aspects I think, now if I was just computer literate enough to put up a bloody stupid meme to drive the point home that would in my eyes be irrefutable evidence and the debate would be over, but alas I fear it will continue for some time as most of the FE constituents obviously suffer from that horrible psychosomatic eating disorder that requires one to regurgitate when they feel they are (full of shit,I hope god doesn't read the fine print) at a loss and need to repeat themselves time and time again Dear @peter, no problem at all. I can do that for you (RE: the question, "Can you tell me why you don't believe that the earth is flat & that we landed on the moon ?"). Very simply, the spherical earth is testable, backed by all credible evidence, and has been known since at least the times of the Ancient Greeks. All flat earth claims have been debunked thoroughly, so much so it is just becoming ridiculous to keep doing so over and over. As for landing on the Moon, same thing. Despite all the hoax claims, they have been completely debunked, just as comprehensively as the flat earth claims. The evidence we landed on the Moon is a solid as you could ever ask for. In summary, it's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of evidence. Flat earth and apollo hoax have both become religions. They are not rational positions to hold. You can see this easily by examining how these people keep repeating the same lies, no matter how many times they have been debunked. I hope that answers the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 6 hours ago, alexa said: @DarianF Can you tell me why you don't believe that the earth is flat & that we landed on the moon ? I can understand Mr Nice as he's just a paid shill, but not an intelligent person such as yourself. Just curious! If believing in thoroughly debunked, scientifically ludicrous arguments (such as flat earth and apollo hoax) is your measure of intelligence, then you may have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endfreemasonscum Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 55 minutes ago, zArk said: 1. timeanddate map is officialdom. I have been trying to follow this discussion and have one question. Does time and date officially state somewhere whether they are depicting the actual or refracted position of the moon? 13 minutes ago, DarianF said: All flat earth claims have been debunked thoroughly, so much so it is just becoming ridiculous to keep doing so over and over Then why do you guys do it? Everyday and all day for years? No one has explained that! 13 minutes ago, DarianF said: As for landing on the Moon, same thing. And why do you continue conflating the abject nonsense that the apollo program did anything other than scam the American people for gazillions with flat Earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 - Then why do you guys do it? Everyday and all day for years? No one has explained that! Some of us do it for fun, because we laugh when you keep making your ridiculous claims. It's great entertainment. Some of us see you as a threat to reason, evidence based thinking and legitimate scientific discovery. Others may do so as a debating exercise; practice in confronting stupidity directly (as opposed to ignoring it and hoping it goes away). There's probably a bunch of other reasons. There's no one reason. For me, it's mostly just for entertainment. - And why do you continue conflating the abject nonsense that the apollo program did anything other than scam the American people for gazillions with flat Earth? All Apollo hoax/conspiracy claims have been thoroughly debunked for decades. You can thank the Apollo program for inspiring an entire generation of scientists in all fields to pursue science as a career and go on to invent the incredible technologies you take for granted today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 9 hours ago, endfreemasonscum said: Question for the flat Earth: Can you explain the DIRECT flights from Santiago to Sydney? Sydney-Santiago Flight Route https://flatearth.ws/sydney-santiago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 List of circumnavigations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circumnavigations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 16 hours ago, Mr H said: It's definitely a clown world for sure No matter the shape! That's one thing we can all agree on. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endfreemasonscum Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 44 minutes ago, DarianF said: All Apollo hoax/conspiracy claims have been thoroughly debunked for decades. Why do you keep repeating this? Have you really never looked into any of it and are here to amuse yourself by trolling flat earthers? Is that basically what you just said. All of them? Once you look into it just a little, you realize that the whole thing is just a scam. There really isn't a more obvious one. Just google "nasa fails" videos, or look at nasa's own live feeds. Like when they have to cut the feed as they realize these bad actors' have harness issues and are not in anything resembling zero gravity... The nasa theft is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, endfreemasonscum said: Why do you keep repeating this? Have you really never looked into any of it and are here to amuse yourself by trolling flat earthers? Is that basically what you just said. All of them? Once you look into it just a little, you realize that the whole thing is just a scam. There really isn't a more obvious one. Just google "nasa fails" videos, or look at nasa's own live feeds. Like when they have to cut the feed as they realize these bad actors' have harness issues and are not in anything resembling zero gravity... The nasa theft is obvious. Like I said I enjoy it, so keep posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, endfreemasonscum said: Why do you keep repeating this? Have you really never looked into any of it and are here to amuse yourself by trolling flat earthers? Is that basically what you just said. All of them? Once you look into it just a little, you realize that the whole thing is just a scam. There really isn't a more obvious one. Just google "nasa fails" videos, or look at nasa's own live feeds. Like when they have to cut the feed as they realize these bad actors' have harness issues and are not in anything resembling zero gravity... The nasa theft is obvious. There was a movie that had a line show me the money This one has show me the harness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, endfreemasonscum said: have been trying to follow this discussion and have one question. Does time and date officially state somewhere whether they are depicting the actual or refracted position of the moon? https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/refraction.html yes Quote Sun Calculator Takes Refraction into Account Our Sun Calculator takes the effect of refraction into account to deliver more realistic sunrise and sunset times for a location of your choice. Since refraction causes the Sun to appear very slightly higher in the sky, sunrise times are always a bit earlier and sunset times a bit later than they would be if our algorithm ignored refraction. which then raises the question as every sunrise time changes daily with a consistent rate , in december 2011 alamogordo it was roughly 1 min daily , does this mean every sunrise is refracted? n.b if so that then cancels out refraction as a thing, if every day it occurs.. then its just sunrise However i am told refraction causes the sunrise earlier ... this is not seen in the data and then the moon, with exactly the same issue. consistent setting progressively changing Edited March 31, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, peter said: There was a movie that had a line show me the money This one has show me the harness Jerry McGuire, if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, zArk said: https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/refraction.html - https://www.hko.gov.hk/en/education/astronomy-and-time/astronomy/00493-effect-of-atmospheric-refraction-on-the-times-of-sunrise-and-sunset.html - https://support.simulationcurriculum.com/hc/en-us/articles/231535747-Do-the-sunrise-sunset-times-account-for-the-refraction-of-light-due-to-the-earth-s-atmosphere- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 @zArk Does this help answer your question? Evaluating the Effectiveness of Current Atmospheric Refraction Models in Predicting Sunrise and Sunset TimesModels in Predicting Sunrise and Sunset Time https://digitalcommons.mtu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1776&context=etdr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, DarianF said: @zArk Does this help answer your question? Evaluating the Effectiveness of Current Atmospheric Refraction Models in Predicting Sunrise and Sunset TimesModels in Predicting Sunrise and Sunset Time https://digitalcommons.mtu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1776&context=etdr heres the daily sunrise times for alamogordo in Nov 2011, Dec 2011 and Dec 2012 they are all consistently increasing there is no 'refraction' calculation showing for Dec 10th 2011 - selenelion day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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