The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[DarianF]

5 hours ago, peter said:

I have to wonder why they would create A S (artificial stupidity)

 

It can't all be A.I. you need some stupidity and ignorance, just for good balance.

[DarianF]

10 hours ago, alexa said:

 

You must look like a real plonker  (sorry no offense intended)

 

 

He just called it out as it was!

Thank you.......

 

- It got me laid a couple of times with some nerd girls ;-)

 

- No, actually, he didn't. His comments have been hijacked by flat earth whackos for their weird agenda.

[Mr. Nice]

6 hours ago, endfreemasonscum said:

NAME ONE MORE OBVIOUS THAN THE FREEMASON, NAZI, NASA THING!

 

Ah, he speaks! Well duh, the one you are in now for starters. 911 no planes, Nibiru, Titanic........

 

6 hours ago, endfreemasonscum said:

I realize that you have devoted many hours of your life to your belief in what the narrative tells us that nasa has accomplished. But the problem here is that they have done nothing that you think that they have done.

 

I notice you have spent zero hours properly researching this. Looking at silly youtube videos and frequenting clueless parroting websites doesn't count.

 

6 hours ago, endfreemasonscum said:

Again, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is that real simple truth.

 

You aren't the bearer of anything. Your uninformed opinion doesn't count. I await your honest debate in the appropriate threads. All I've seen from you so far is like this.

 

6 hours ago, endfreemasonscum said:

Look into it from more than just one side.

 

What, like you? To debunk horseshit, one must examine the merits of it from every angle, so already done this. You, however wear conspiracy blinkers. Your name straight out the gate is fairly sad. 

 

 

[alexa]

1 hour ago, DarianF said:

 

- No, actually, he didn't. His comments have been hijacked by flat earth whackos for their weird agenda.

 

August Piccard's comment which stated "the earth looks flat with an upturned edge"  can be read in the popular science magazine from 1931.

 

 

 

 

 

[zArk]

 

On 3/26/2022 at 8:54 AM, Mr. Nice said:

 

 

Those are the Alamogordo times - see if you can work out what happens to visibility times from an elevated position.

 

yes yes i told you a week ago

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

On 3/26/2022 at 9:10 AM, Mr. Nice said:

Oh but they do! From an elevated position the Sun appears significantly sooner on top of the extra minutes from refraction and the Moon disappears later also on top of the extra minutes from refraction.

 

Sun and Moon are in the sky together many many many many times, this is not something special.

 

what is special is that the Sun was in the sky when the moon was 'eclipsed'

 

you said refraction explains it.

 

i said 'when'

 

On 3/26/2022 at 9:10 AM, Mr. Nice said:

The answer is the same as the first 10 times you asked me this daft question. The refraction was occurring the whole time.

 

2. The actual Sunrise figure of 06:53 is not the time when the Sun is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction.

3. The actual Moonset figure of 06:55 is not the time when the Moon is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction.

 

 

the whole time of eclipse from 4 am or the whole time of 6.53 to 6.55?

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is both sun and moon being refracted at the same time or at staggered times?

 

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Would you like me to show you a video of two sunsets using a drone going up a few hundred metres? Impossible on a flat Earth.

yes

 

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4. Your video doesn't show the visible Sun - or am I missing something here?

 

are you saying TimeandDate is wrong?

[alexa]

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Edited March 28, 2022 by alexa

[alexa]

[alexa]

This is what the flat earth should truly look like minus Antarctica;

 

 

[alexa]

 This is how it should be.

 

[alexa]

On 3/26/2022 at 9:10 AM, Mr. Nice said:

 

Please tell me your evidence for the Sun being in the sky at the same time. Try not to say the sky was blue.

 

We need a more blue-sky approach to compatible strategic alignment, our exploratory research points to total monitored concepts, at base level, this just comes down to facilitating reciprocal alignment.

[Mr. Nice]

2 hours ago, zArk said:

yes yes i told you a week ago

 

No. Can you actually read what I posted?

 

From the size of the Moon in the image, we can tell that the camera has a zoom lens and from the size of the circular water tower we can see that it is at least a mile away when zoomed at the beginning. We know it's an elevated position, so see if you can figure out where he was shooting from. Oh, I had my neck screwed in weeks ago when I actually sussed this out:

 

 

Those are the Alamogordo times - see if you can work out what happens to visibility times from an elevated position.

 

 

It ISN'T from Alamogordo, but from somewhere west and elevated. I explained this to YOU and still you haven't understood it.

[Mr. Nice]

2 hours ago, zArk said:

Sun and Moon are in the sky together many many many many times, this is not something special. what is special is that the Sun was in the sky when the moon was 'eclipsed'

 

Not in your video. The Sun does not appear in that video. What am I missing here?

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

you said refraction explains it. i said 'when'

 

Yes, I said that oh, about half a dozen times now. Again, you appear to be suffering from some sort of reading and comprehension failure. The entire time during this kind of eclipse. Refraction is more as light has more atmosphere to travel through.

 

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

the whole time of eclipse from 4 am or the whole time of 6.53 to 6.55?

 

The whole time of an eclipse, refraction is occurring. Pulling teeth is far more fun.

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

is both sun and moon being refracted at the same time or at staggered times?

 

They are being refracted at the same time lower down on the horizon. I want to watch a video of some paint drying.

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

yes

 

 

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

are you saying TimeandDate is wrong?

 

No. You are. The video you posted does not show the Sun. Is this difficult for you to understand? What am I missing here? Tell me where it is shown in the video, am I watching the wrong one?

 

 

[Mr. Nice]

3 hours ago, alexa said:

 

August Piccard's comment which stated "the earth looks flat with an upturned edge"  can be read in the popular science magazine from 1931.

 

 

 

Incorrect. This was a comment by the journalist who reported it. Had Piccard said that, he would have put it in quotation marks like his reference to "blue air". But so what, he is looking through a fairly small port hole with no more than 30 degrees of span with his nose up against the window. There would be barely any visible curvature anyway under those circumstances. You get 4.5 degrees of curvature over a 90 degree visible angle. How the hell would he see curve anyway?

Edited March 28, 2022 by Mr. Nice

[Mr. Nice]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

 

“Nature may reach the same result in many ways. Like a wave in the physical world, in the infinite ocean of the medium which pervades all, so in the world of organisms, in life, an impulse started proceeds onward, at times, may be, with the speed of light, at times, again, so slowly that for ages and ages it seems to stay, passing through processes of a complexity inconceivable to men, but in all its forms, in all its stages, its energy ever and ever integrally present. A single ray of light from a distant star falling upon the eye of a tyrant in bygone times may have altered the course of his life, may have changed the destiny of nations, may have transformed the surface of the globe, so intricate, so inconceivably complex are the processes in Nature. In no way can we get such an overwhelming idea of the grandeur of Nature than when we consider, that in accordance with the law of the conservation of energy, throughout the Infinite, the forces are in a perfect balance, and hence the energy of a single thought may determine the motion of a universe.”
― Nikola Tesla

 

[Mr. Nice]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

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The most accurate thing you have ever posted.

[zArk]

1 hour ago, Mr. Nice said:

It ISN'T from Alamogordo, but from somewhere west and elevated. I explained this to YOU and still you haven't understood it.

wow, you are really grasping on this.

 

where would you suggest the camera is, if not Alamogordo???

 

n.b Albuquerque had the same time window of Sunrise and Sunset

 

shall we compare sun up and moon down times for immediate areas ??

 

 

Edited March 28, 2022 by zArk

[Mr. Nice]

Just now, zArk said:

wow, you are really grasping on this.

 

where would you suggest the camera is, if not Alamogordo???

 

To the West from an elevated position, negating your sunrise and moonset times. There is no grasping here, just basic observation. Higher elevation gives earlier views of the Sun and later views of the Moon. ONLY, there is more elevation to his West so it is unlikely he was able to capture a selenelion - just a full eclipse with the Sun just about to come into view.

 

Speaking of grasping, show me where the Sun is on this "selenelion" footage. Or is that too hard for you?

[zArk]

1 hour ago, Mr. Nice said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 i was expecting you to post a video of a sunset then another sunset of a refracted sun

 

this video is rejected as having no similarity to the selenelion video or refraction

 

n.b it doesnt disprove flat earth as i have already corrected you with the 30 degree ish angle of view

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said:

o the West from an elevated position, negating your sunrise and moonset times. There is no grasping here, just basic observation.

Calling it Alamogordo is normal for 99.99 % of the population

Using Alamogordo time records is correct as the video does not have a time stamp, is speeded up and does have frames missing at points

The 'eclipse' began at 4am so determining when the video begins will require reference to a moon altitude record maybe

 

The video is posted as part of the collection of data in order to show the failure of the Helio model at a selenelion

Edited March 28, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said:

To the West from an elevated position, negating your sunrise and moonset times. There is no grasping here, just basic observation. Higher elevation gives earlier views of the Sun and later views of the Moon. ONLY, there is more elevation to his West so it is unlikely he was able to capture a selenelion - just a full eclipse with the Sun just about to come into view.

 

Speaking of grasping, show me where the Sun is on this "selenelion" footage. Or is that too hard for you?

at this point the sun is official risen and the moon is in the sky, the moon is still well above the line of plane. (the white slither above right of the water tower)

 

so while the camera observer position will view the selenelion a few mins longer and see the sun a few mins early, at this point in the video 1.06mins it is 6.53am

 

whens the refraction occuring??

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Nice]

22 minutes ago, zArk said:

 i was expecting you to post a video of a sunset then another sunset of a refracted sun

 Despite me stating exactly what I posted, you expected some other crap? Again, because you bloody ignored it! Explain the bolded bit.

 

1.  Would you like me to show you a video of two sunsets using a drone going up a few hundred metres? Impossible on a flat Earth.

2. The actual Sunrise figure of 06:53 is not the time when the Sun is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction.

3. The actual Moonset figure of 06:55 is not the time when the Moon is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction.

4. Your video doesn't show the visible Sun - or am I missing something here?

 

22 minutes ago, zArk said:

this video is rejected as having no similarity to the selenelion video or refraction

 

Well duhhhh, it was cited to show that the Sun is visible at higher elevation when it is not visible at sea level, where your figures come from. SEA LEVEL.

 

22 minutes ago, zArk said:

n.b it doesnt disprove flat earth as i have already correct you with the 30 degree ish angle of view

 

No, you made this bullshit claim and failed to explain it. The words "correct you" should never be used  by you as you have never done so. The video disproves totally the flat Earth. 100% refuted in a simple video. Elevation on a flat surface does not improve distance visibility.

 

[Mr. Nice]

14 minutes ago, zArk said:

at this point the sun is official risen and the moon is in the sky, the moon is still well above the line of plane. (the white slither above right of the water tower)

 

What are you using to determine that the Sun has risen? Straight out of the gate I suggested you didn't cite the "blue sky"  Lo and behold, that is what you do.

 

Blue and Orange Colored Sky Just before Summer Sunrise. Beautiful Dawn Skyscape. Clear Paradise Sky. Calm Heaven Background Stock Image - Image of scenic, meteorology: 152965705 (dreamstime.com)

 

"Blue and orange colored sky just before summer sunrise. Beautiful dawn skyscape. Clear paradise sky. Calm heaven background."

 

1. There are no time stamps on the video. So your silly timeanddate map is irrelevant.

2. There is no evidence on that video that the Sun has risen.

3. Your times for Alamogordo do not apply to an elevated position to the West  - it sees earlier Sun and later Moon.

4. How the hell can you not understand this!?

 

14 minutes ago, zArk said:

so while the camera observer position will view the selenelion a few mins longer and see the sun a few mins early, at this point in the video 1.06mins it is 6.53am

 

Show your proof for this. I doubt this user got the selenelion at all. The westerly position doesn't have a flat horizon.

 

14 minutes ago, zArk said:

whens the refraction occuring??

 

The whole time - time and time again I have told you this . Can you damn well read!

 

Speaking of grasping, show me where the Sun is on this "selenelion" footage. Or is that too hard for you?

Edited March 28, 2022 by Mr. Nice

[Mr. Nice]

36 minutes ago, zArk said:

Calling it Alamogordo is normal for 99.99 % of the population

 

 

Saying it is from an elevated position West of that town is normal for 100%. Labelling it viewing the town is normal, quoting figures for sea level sunrise etc. is lying or dumb.

 

36 minutes ago, zArk said:

Using Alamogordo time records is correct as the video does not have a time stamp, is speeded up and does have frames missing at points

 Bullshit. The elevated position doesn't see either sunrise or moonset at those times. Duhhhhhh.

36 minutes ago, zArk said:

The 'eclipse' began at 4am so determining when the video begins will require reference to a moon altitude record maybe

 

Which you haven't provided.

 

36 minutes ago, zArk said:

The video is posted as part of the collection of data in order to show the failure of the Helio model at a selenelion

 And fails as you always do.

[alexa]

2 hours ago, Mr. Nice said:

 

Incorrect. This was a comment by the journalist who reported it.

 

Wrong, he is quoted as saying this in the 1931 popular science magazine.