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peter Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said: If only gratuitous characterizations constituted evidence I might feel compelled to review my convictions. I doubt your colorations of this presentation will matter in the long haul. In the long haul nothing matters, I was just stating some observations Once again rebuttable to your assertion was ignored, what happened to the gas Edited June 12, 2020 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said: What kind of force did you have in mind? The force of gravity. Also known as buoyancy in flat earther circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, peter said: In the long haul nothing matters, I was just stating some observations Once again rebuttable to your assertion was ignored, what happened to the gas It needs a rewrite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, theo102 said: The force of gravity. Also known as buoyancy in flat earther circles. In a vacuum chamber you have a 1000 mph spinning ball covered in water and gaseous atmosphere and gravity holds all this stuff together. My world makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, Avoiceinthecrowd said: In a vacuum chamber you have a 1000 mph spinning ball covered in water and gaseous atmosphere and gravity holds all this stuff together. My world makes more sense. Because Polaris disappearing below the horizon for some observers makes complete sense on a flat earth, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Of course this has to be a ball too. Is this where we delete the molten core idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, theo102 said: Because Polaris disappearing below the horizon for some observers makes complete sense on a flat earth, right? Depends on the observer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Polaris can be seen up to 23.5 degrees south latitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said: Polaris can be seen up to 23.5 degrees south latitude. That is becuse of an axial tilt which gives us the seasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt 23.44 degrees according to the table. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said: Of course this has to be a ball too. Is this where we delete the molten core idea? Molten is a state of matter. Belief in a Flat Earth is a state of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, serpentine said: That is becuse of an axial tilt which gives us the seasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt 23.44 degrees according to the table. Might that be the seasonal tilt that never results in a readjustment of satellite dishes pointing at some geostationary satellite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, serpentine said: Molten is a state of matter. Belief in a Flat Earth is a state of mind. Very poetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said: Polaris can be seen up to 23.5 degrees south latitude. Bullshit. And even if that were true, on a flat earth Polaris should be visible everywhere, regardless of latitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoiceinthecrowd Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, theo102 said: Bullshit. And even if that were true, on a flat earth Polaris should be visible everywhere, regardless of latitude. Are all the amateur and professional astronomers reporting directly to you? Sure sounds like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peter Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said: In a vacuum chamber you have a 1000 mph spinning ball covered in water and gaseous atmosphere and gravity holds all this stuff together. My world makes more sense. There is only one problem , space is not an empty vacuum about time you put something up we both agree on, (In a vacuum chamber you have a 1000 mph spinning ball covered in water and gaseous atmosphere and gravity holds all this stuff together) ,and MY world dose make more sense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said: Are all the amateur and professional astronomers reporting directly to you? No. You made the claim about Polaris being visible at 23.5 degrees south, the burden of proof is yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 1:29 PM, serpentine said: As someone who probably serially posts on a number of forums... LOL, wrong again. On 6/9/2020 at 1:29 PM, serpentine said: you may have forgotten that in the previous DI forum you have already directly called me a moron and a freemason. It is rather convenient that this thread is gone so no one can understand if that actually happened, nor the context if it did. On 6/9/2020 at 1:29 PM, serpentine said: With that and along with the level of arguments you offer comparable with the activities of a shell game bunkum artist I'll take any suggestions from you with a pinch of the proverbial. I dunno, friend, it seems odd that you care so much about this topic to "waste time debunking flat earthers," yet REFUSE to go experiment for yourself. It seems like you are just avoiding this issue for some reason. Anyone today can go measure the earth for oneself and as our technology continues to evolve, the simple point regarding horizons will become self evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 6 hours ago, theo102 said: No. You made the claim about Polaris being visible at 23.5 degrees south, the burden of proof is yours. How selective, lol. From the above it would follow that you should prove that: --We live on a ball --It moves And yet 28 pages in and not one of you have come close to any proof of either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, bflat said: How selective, lol. Yes, you refused to even address the point that observed change in angular size of the moon falsifies flat earth theory because your theory predicts that the size should change every night when in fact it cycles only roughly every month. 1 hour ago, bflat said: From the above it would follow that you should prove that: Your standard of proof is irrelevant, and you can't address the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, theo102 said: Yes, you refused to even address the point that observed change in angular size of the moon falsifies flat earth theory because your theory predicts that the size should change every night when in fact it cycles only roughly every month. You refuse to provide evidence that we live on one of the freemason's balls. I don't care to explain any of these red herrings. Please start a thread on this as it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SHAPE OF OUR EARTH, NOR IF IT MOVES and stop ignorantly claiming anything has falsified anything you do not even understand. 10 minutes ago, theo102 said: Your standard of proof is irrelevant, and you can't address the point. My standard of proof is irrelevant as we are discussing objective reality. If you have any proof, just post it already. 28 pages in, bro. Seriously, you just stated the burden of proof is on the claimant. It would follow that you should prove that: --We live on one of the freemason's balls --It moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, bflat said: You refuse to provide evidence that we live on one of the freemason's balls. Because I don't claim that to be the case. We live on the surface of a ~roughly~ spherical planet. 6 minutes ago, bflat said: I don't care to explain any of these red herrings. Yes, it's painfully obvious that you call any argument that you can't cope with a red herring. 12 minutes ago, bflat said: My standard of proof is irrelevant as we are discussing objective reality. Non sequitur, it's relevant because you asked for proof, and people have standards of proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 14 hours ago, peter said: So what your saying if you have a vacuum chamber in a lab you have to ask to what degree of vacuum do you want , A total vacuum or or just a few air molecules or maybe a 90% vacuum , you should be specific. lets just say there is a 100% vacuum in the chamber and all the air has been removed,then through another line you open a valve and you put a small amount of oxygen ,argon ,nitrogen etc etc it don't matter because according to you a gas and a vacuum can't exist unless there is a barrier to separate the gas from the vacuum, so where dose the gas go . I know this was not directed at myself, but I want to thank you for finally hitting one of the five points in the OP. I was actually quite clear with definitions and if you took time to actually respond to the OP, you would know that. From the OP: We are told that the greatest vacuum known to us is that of the "infinite vacuum of space." In fact, Interstellar/Deep Space = ~10^-17 Torr. To put that in perspective, nasa’s vacuum chamber with her two feet thick metal wall that is enclosed by six to eight feet thick cement walls, can only achieve 10^-6. The point? It is physics that falsifies the entire freemason space-ball theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, theo102 said: Because I don't claim that to be the case. We live on the surface of a ~roughly~ spherical planet. Yes, it's painfully obvious that you call any argument that you can't cope with a red herring. Non sequitur, it's relevant because you asked for proof, and people have standards of proof. Seriously, you just stated the burden of proof is on the claimant. It would follow that you should prove that: --We live on one of the freemason's balls --It moves 28 pages in and zip! But please continue (hopefully after you have gone out in the real world and tested for yourself if your beliefs hold water). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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