The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[zArk]

17 hours ago, Mr. Nice said:

No it does not!! His channel name is not where it was taken ffs! He says Southern New Mexico

lol, the water tower and the motorway bridge identify it as Alamogordo

 

screw your neck in, get your facts correct.

[zArk]

17 hours ago, Mr. Nice said:

And you haven't established a number of things:

 

1. The exact position and it is quite clearly elevated. Alamogordo is not!

2. The local time of the selenelion FROM that elevated position.

3. The exact times for Sunrise and Moonset according to 1 above.

number 3 is satisfied and coupled with surrounding sunrise and moonset data the 2min window is confirmed

the partial eclipse is also confirmed and as i stated

 

2 and 1 doesnt matter the elevation or exact position as we are not going off a video timestamp or a video calculation. 

We have time and date data which can be cross referenced with data from other positions

tye video is used as evidemce that sun and moon were in the sky at the same time

 

so at the final call.......can you tell me when the refraction occured. ??

[Mr. Nice]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

The sun doesn't set.

 

Evasion again. So the Sun, which the entire population of the world sees setting and rising, does something else does it? This thread should be changed to "Pulling teeth with flat earthers afraid to be wrong". So, so many things you've ran away from or just don't understand - proving irrefutably that we are on a globe. Yet you still continue to post.

[Mr. Nice]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

lol, the water tower and the motorway bridge identify it as Alamogordo

 

Ok, I'll buy that.

 

1 hour ago, zArk said:

screw your neck in, get your facts correct.

 

 My neck IS screwed in, I haven't denied it was anywhere and that is the first attempted fact substantiating the location. Well done, you deserve a medal for finally providing one. Now you need to answer from where the camera is pointed. Because if Alamogordo lies to the West from an elevated position, we can easily work out roughly from where.

 

From the size of the Moon in the image, we can tell that the camera has a zoom lens and from the size of the circular water tower we can see that it is at least a mile away when zoomed at the beginning. We know it's an elevated position, so see if you can figure out where he was shooting from. Oh, I had my neck screwed in weeks ago when I actually sussed this out:

 

 

Those are the Alamogordo times - see if you can work out what happens to visibility times from an elevated position.

Edited March 26, 2022 by Mr. Nice

[Mr. Nice]

2 hours ago, zArk said:

number 3 is satisfied and coupled with surrounding sunrise and moonset data the 2min window is confirmed

the partial eclipse is also confirmed and as i stated

 

It's almost satisfied. The elevated position was to the East of Alamogordo so the relevant SEA LEVEL times are slightly different.

2 hours ago, zArk said:

2 and 1 doesnt matter the elevation or exact position as we are not going off a video timestamp or a video calculation. 

 

Oh but they do! From an elevated position the Sun appears significantly sooner on top of the extra minutes from refraction and the Moon disappears later also on top of the extra minutes from refraction.

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

We have time and date data which can be cross referenced with data from other positions

 

I concur with cross referencing - it's a reasonable assessment.

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

tye video is used as evidemce that sun and moon were in the sky at the same time

 

Please tell me your evidence for the Sun being in the sky at the same time. Try not to say the sky was blue.

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

so at the final call.......can you tell me when the refraction occured. ??

 

The answer is the same as the first 10 times you asked me this daft question. The refraction was occurring the whole time.

 

1.  Would you like me to show you a video of two sunsets using a drone going up a few hundred metres? Impossible on a flat Earth.

2. The actual Sunrise figure of 06:53 is not the time when the Sun is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction.

3. The actual Moonset figure of 06:55 is not the time when the Moon is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction.

4. Your video doesn't show the visible Sun - or am I missing something here?

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Mr. Nice

[alexa]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said:

So the Sun, which the entire population of the world sees setting and rising, does something else does it?

 Yes.

[Mr. Nice]

8 minutes ago, alexa said:

 Yes.

 

No it doesn't. It sets. It is actually being obscured from view by the rotation of the Earth and its curvature. 

 

The forum awaits with baited breath for you to explain what the Sun is doing.

 

Your evasion of the Moon faces / Moon phases is still unresolved despite your absurd claim that the Moon is a self illuminating light that for some reason mimics the motion of Sun illuminating it.

[alexa]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said:

The forum awaits with baited breath for you to explain what the Sun is doing.

 

Here in this video Eric Dubay explains it, it just a matter of perspective once again. If when the sun is setting, if you zoom in, you will still see the sun above the horizon until it's completely disappeared due to perspective, this is b//c the sun is just clearly moving in it's path towards the east where it will begin rising elsewhere.

 

 

[Mr. Nice]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

Here in this video Eric Dubay explains it, it just a matter of perspective once again. 

 

No, really he doesn't. He just uses words like "perspective" and "vanishing point" and hopes to suck in easily led people.

Let me PROPERLY explain something to you!

 

The vanishing point is called the vanishing point because things get smaller as they move away and then they vanish. Do you understand this unbelievably obvious thing?

 

One of the many things associated with a simple sunset involves objects above eyeline. This picture below sees a series of poles with a blue light on top of a 4m pole at regular intervals.

 

1 hour ago, alexa said:

If when the sun is setting, if you zoom in, you will still see the sun above the horizon until it's completely disappeared due to perspective

 

I am worried that you have never actually seen a sunset now.  Somebody with profound delusion fails to see the Sun going below the horizon. No matter what camera you have - it goes down, disappears full bloody size! Perspective is another thing you clearly don't understand. Again - things get smaller when they move away! Now that is perspective.

 

This below is NOT:

 

1 hour ago, alexa said:

this is b//c the sun is just clearly moving in it's path towards the east where it will begin rising elsewhere.

 

The Sun moves towards the West. It disappears over the horizon. When it is at the horizon it is fractionally short of forming a 90 degree angle with zenith. That places it 1,700 million miles away. You may pretend to buy Eric Doyoubuy's horseshit, but unfortunately it doesn't even come close to explaining the problems shown to you, let alone actual reality.

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Mr. Nice

[peter]

5 hours ago, alexa said:

How Dare you call Christians bat crazy

 Talk about picky ,cut @DarianF a bit of slack ,I think the correct term is bat shit crazy

[Mr. Nice]

Angular velocity: The Sun has the same angular velocity at every location on the planet, at every elevation, every time and every day of the year. Just that one thing is irrefutable and in itself proof that we cannot possibly be on a flat surface. It certainly helps to run away from this if you haven't a clue about mathematics and science.

 

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Amazing.The Earth is flat after all

 

1. The vanishing point. If the Earth really is flat, the vanishing point of the observer's point of view is at the observer's eye height above the ground. If the observer is six feet tall, the vanishing point is six feet above ground level. If the observer is on top of a 10,000 foot mountain, the vanishing point is 10,000 feet above ground level. The video shows the sun BELOW his vanishing point (6pm), something that he himself implies is impossible, then he ignores the fact that his diagram shows exactly that.

2. The apparent diameter of the Sun. If the Earth really is flat, and the sun really is 3,000 miles above the surface and travels parallel to the Earth's surface, then it would appear to get smaller as it got further away from the observer. The difference would be dramatic - at twice the distance, the Sun would be half the apparent size it is overhead. By the time the Sun reached the horizon, it would appear little more than a small spot of bright light.

3. Relative angular velocity of the Sun. The Sun tracks across the sky at a rate of 1° every 4 min (15°/hr). This is an undeniable, observable fact. Taking the starting point as the Sun overhead the observer, if the Sun was travelling at a constant speed on a flat Earth, it would appear to get slower and slower as it approached the horizon. The only way to reconcile this with the observed facts is for the Sun to accelerate as it approaches the horizon.... and it would never get there because in order to do so, its speed would need to reach infinity.

[DaleP]

3 hours ago, Mr. Nice said:

Angular velocity: The Sun has the same angular velocity at every location on the planet, at every elevation, every time and every day of the year. Just that one thing is irrefutable and in itself proof that we cannot possibly be on a flat surface. It certainly helps to run away from this if you haven't a clue about mathematics and science.

 

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Amazing.The Earth is flat after all

 

1. The vanishing point. If the Earth really is flat, the vanishing point of the observer's point of view is at the observer's eye height above the ground. If the observer is six feet tall, the vanishing point is six feet above ground level. If the observer is on top of a 10,000 foot mountain, the vanishing point is 10,000 feet above ground level. The video shows the sun BELOW his vanishing point (6pm), something that he himself implies is impossible, then he ignores the fact that his diagram shows exactly that.

2. The apparent diameter of the Sun. If the Earth really is flat, and the sun really is 3,000 miles above the surface and travels parallel to the Earth's surface, then it would appear to get smaller as it got further away from the observer. The difference would be dramatic - at twice the distance, the Sun would be half the apparent size it is overhead. By the time the Sun reached the horizon, it would appear little more than a small spot of bright light.

3. Relative angular velocity of the Sun. The Sun tracks across the sky at a rate of 1° every 4 min (15°/hr). This is an undeniable, observable fact. Taking the starting point as the Sun overhead the observer, if the Sun was travelling at a constant speed on a flat Earth, it would appear to get slower and slower as it approached the horizon. The only way to reconcile this with the observed facts is for the Sun to accelerate as it approaches the horizon.... and it would never get there because in order to do so, its speed would need to reach infinity.

 

You forgot No.4. The ball earth keeps its water on the surface due to earth's 'gravity' yet the same gravity doesn't work for a model globe when you spin and pour water on it.

[DaleP]

On 3/25/2022 at 3:35 PM, DarianF said:

 

My guess is she believes it is 6,000 - 10,000 years old.

 

nah much older. Millions of years. Aboriginal history goes as far back as 50,000 years,Well before the time of the ancient Egypt.

[Mr. Nice]

26 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

You forgot No.4. The ball earth keeps its water on the surface due to earth's 'gravity' yet the same gravity doesn't work for a model globe when you spin and pour water on it.

 

Please stop. If you want to put your hat in the ring, at least come in with something that isn't made up. The centrifugal force has been covered a few times.

 

Show your computations on the matter or learn how to use the search facility.

[alexa]

6 hours ago, Mr. Nice said:

You may pretend to buy Eric Doyoubuy's horseshit, but unfortunately it doesn't even come close to explaining the problems shown to you, let alone actual reality.

 

I don't pretend anything, it is the truth that you'll be surprised to hear. 

[Mr. Nice]

14 minutes ago, alexa said:

I don't pretend anything, it is the truth that you'll be surprised to hear. 

 

Kindly answer my posts. Putting up an Eric Doyoubuy video that clearly is just making up nonsense doesn't answer the major problem you have with flat earth "theory".

[alexa]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said:

Kindly answer my posts.

 

I have 

[oddsnsods]

Flalexa.

 

[alexa]

16 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Flalexa.

 

 

Nice to see you back on board 

[Mr. Nice]

17 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I have 

 

No you haven't. You never do because you don't understand anything you post about. Eric "suck in the gullible" Doyoubuy makes up junk and of course you believe it. It's total nonsense and fails to answer the major problem of dozens that I highlighted. Here are 4 of them:

 

1. The angular speed of the Sun requires it to speed up to cover the same perceived distance! It doesn't speed up.

 

2. It stays the same size so the "vanishing point" is NOT the actual vanishing point!

 

3. It goes over the horizon bottom first and disappears below eyeline and that is impossible.

 

4. The angle formed from zenith to horizon when 0.001 degrees less than 90....makes it 1.7 BILLION  miles away!

 

Meanwhile Eric Doyoubuy sells his wares to the easily led and fails to answer anything.

[alexa]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said:

Doyoubuy makes up junk and of course you believe it. It's total nonsense and fails to answer the major problem of dozens that I highlighted.

 

That's b/c what you want answered is gibberish to me.

[Mr. Nice]

11 minutes ago, alexa said:

That's b/c what you want answered is gibberish to me.

 

Listen very carefully. The things I am asking are very real and irrefutable. They are exactly what is happening. If by gibberish you mean not true, then I say to you "how the hell would you know!".

 

Your whole belief system is maintainable by you, by virtue of your total ignorance of the very things that completely refute it. 

 

I drew a dead simple diagram showing the Moon visible the same in 3 places that is not possible. You came up with your daft Moon illuminated claim that STILL cannot explain it! Go back to the diagram and remove the Sun. It's still a visible face that MUST be different to the same places.

 

At what point do you ever think to yourself that your lack of understanding could be hindering your decision making?

Edited March 26, 2022 by Mr. Nice

[alexa]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said:

At what point do you ever think to yourself that your lack of understanding could be hindering your decision making?

 

I don't decide what is true. Unfortunately this is what you do.

[Mr. Nice]

10 minutes ago, alexa said:

I don't decide what is true.

 

An unbelievable thing to say. That is EXACTLY what you do and you are clearly ill-equipped to do so.

 

10 minutes ago, alexa said:

Unfortunately this is what you do.

 

I decide what I believe to be true based on verifiable and undeniable observations. Not a single observation claimed by me is wrong. These things happen - and to you they are meaningless because you don't understand any of it. THAT is the fundamental problem here. This isn't a debate, it's you denying the observable world and believing proper gibberish that doesn't even explain it.

 

Posted 5 pages ago and your explanation didn't explain it! Remove the Sun from this picture. All over the World every country sees a Full Moon, how can positions A and C see a full Moon!? There is NO silly youtube video to explain this because there is no workable solution:

 

 

How can you possibly maintain your position when it explains NOTHING?

[alexa]

1 hour ago, Mr. Nice said:

 

An unbelievable thing to say. That is EXACTLY what you do and you are clearly ill-equipped to do so.

 

 

I decide what I believe to be true based on verifiable and undeniable observations. Not a single observation claimed by me is wrong. These things happen - and to you they are meaningless because you don't understand any of it. THAT is the fundamental problem here. This isn't a debate, it's you denying the observable world and believing proper gibberish that doesn't even explain it.

 

Posted 5 pages ago and your explanation didn't explain it! Remove the Sun from this picture. All over the World every country sees a Full Moon, how can positions A and C see a full Moon!? There is NO silly youtube video to explain this because there is no workable solution:

 

 

How can you possibly maintain your position when it explains NOTHING?

 

Watch at 9:45 min, this should explain your query.