Mr. Nice Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, alexa said: He's probably been dun away with just like Admiral Byrd was. Byrd died in his sleep - no idea what happened to Mr. Moon-Plasma-Not-Flat-Earth who demonstrated that you don't even listen to your own videos. Do you understand what bare assertion is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. Nice said: Byrd died in his sleep - no idea what happened to Mr. Moon-Plasma-Not-Flat-Earth who demonstrated that you don't even listen to your own videos. Do you understand what bare assertion is? Oh sorry yer right, it was Byrd's only son I was thinking of. I do try to be as truthful as I can, we all make slip ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 12:05 PM, Mr. Nice said: "Doh" he says whilst cowardly ignoring irrefutable evidence. There is no answer to my post that works on a flat earth. None. You know it which is why you ignored it all. You have way, way more important stuff on the table than your inability to understand physics. You still haven't identified where the selenelion was filmed from have you? Fail. Every time, every point. Now try to answer my post honestly for a change huh? i will get onto your questions after this selenelion issue is satisfied you claimed refraction and thats fine yet you are failing to show when refraction applies to the selenelion. the video itself tells you where it was filmed, alamogordo new mexico and i told you where i took the time from timeanddate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, zArk said: i will get onto your questions after this selenelion issue is satisfied No you won't. You will make up some gigantic pile of guff and arm wave everything away. There is no point where someone who is in denial will be able to see that the problem with something so simple is down to them. Just you and your failure to understand anything. 13 minutes ago, zArk said: you claimed refraction and thats fine yet you are failing to show when refraction applies to the selenelion. It's fine is it? So now you acknowledge that refraction is in play but can't understand how it works with the one thing that requires it to work!? 13 minutes ago, zArk said: the video itself tells you where it was filmed, alamogordo new mexico No it does not!! His channel name is not where it was taken ffs! He says Southern New Mexico. AlamogordoNewMexico - YouTube 13 minutes ago, zArk said: and i told you where i took the time from timeanddate And you haven't established a number of things: 1. The exact position and it is quite clearly elevated. Alamogordo is not! 2. The local time of the selenelion FROM that elevated position. 3. The exact times for Sunrise and Moonset according to 1 above. You have failed to understand something that CANNOT work on a flat surface. Elevation on a sphere allows you to see further around the curve - on a flat surface that is just not true. No amount of elevation will let you see further - another slam dunk flat earth is crap moment. So, with that in mind, where the local Sunrise for Alamogordo is for example 06:55 - from an elevated position to the West, it could be any number of minutes BEFORE that. And where the Moonset is 06:55 - from an elevated position to the West, it could be any number of minutes AFTER that. Your failure to understand the circumstances involved in filming a selenelion and why elevation assists this is off the scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 8 hours ago, alexa said: Lawyers or liars ? What's the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DarianF Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 18 hours ago, Mr. Nice said: How old do you claim the Earth is? My guess is she believes it is 6,000 - 10,000 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 "Clearly, the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It was Bible skeptics who introduced this false claim in the 19th century. It is a shame that professed Bible-believers recently have embraced this false argument and have gone on to promote the flat earth. When combined with its many scientific and observational problems, the flat-earth theory is disproven." https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/ Well, @alexa, that's problematic. Even your own religious crowd debunks your Bible claims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Is the Earth Flat? (Faulkner) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, DarianF said: "Clearly, the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It was Bible skeptics who introduced this false claim in the 19th century. It is a shame that professed Bible-believers recently have embraced this false argument and have gone on to promote the flat earth. When combined with its many scientific and observational problems, the flat-earth theory is disproven." https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/ Well, @alexa, that's problematic. Even your own religious crowd debunks your Bible claims Based on what, this article that gives the works of Aristotle, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy & Columbus ? Who were all in this massive club where you ain't a member. Lol'z Columbus went round in in massive circle ending up where he first started off.(Thanks Mr Spice) Try reading, listening and knowing the word of God instead of listening to men who interpret Gods word to fit in with their own way of thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, alexa said: Try reading, listening and knowing the word of God instead of listening to men who interpret Gods word to fit in with their own way of thinking. God, the almighty in his infinite wisdom chose to sodding well dictate a book of bullshit, full of wrath, disgusting deeds, hideous rules and baffling gibberish. I find it ironic beyond words that you preach about interpreting this so called "God's word" when you yourself foolishly do the same with this flat earth guff, in conflict with almost the entire Christian faith! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: God, the almighty in his infinite wisdom chose to sodding well dictate a book of bullshit, full of wrath, disgusting deeds, hideous rules and baffling gibberish. I find it ironic beyond words that you preach about interpreting this so called "God's word" when you yourself foolishly do the same with this flat earth guff, in conflict with almost the entire Christian faith! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 36 minutes ago, alexa said: Avoidance. Do you, or do you not interpret the Bible against almost the entire Christian faith? 9 hours ago, alexa said: I do try to be as truthful as I can Your actions suggest otherwise. Consistent evasion to literally dozens of things is not being truthful. Christians Who Believe the Earth is Really Flat - Does It Get Any Dumber Than This? - Dr. Michael Heiser (drmsh.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, alexa said: Try reading, listening and knowing the word of God instead of listening to men who interpret Gods word to fit in with their own way of thinking. F.F.S Try looking in the mirror once in a while, what makes your interpretation of gods word any more valid than someone's else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: Avoidance. Do you, or do you not interpret the Bible against almost the entire Christian faith? Most Christians I've spoken to do not believe the earth is flat until it is explained to them via the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, alexa said: Most Christians I've spoken to do not believe the earth is flat until it is explained to them via the Bible. That is a total crock. And who is it doing the "explaining", not you, surely! How many more times are you going to preach your religious guff onto this thread? I think everyone can comfortably say they know why you believe this. The problem is that none of it actually fits in with reality! This is basic irrefutable trigonometry: The closest possible distance the Sun can be to the Earth is a ridiculous Everest height (the higher it goes, the worse this mathematic dissection becomes!). Computing the distance to the Sun on a flat earth when it is 0.001 degrees above the visual horizon and at a ludicrous and provably impossible distance of 5 miles away..... http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm a= 5 miles A= 0.001 degrees Distance to object is 286,000 miles. https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/right-triangle-side-angle Distance to object 286,479 miles. https://www.calculator.net/right-triangle-calculator.html?av=5&alphav=0.001&alphaunit=d&bv=&betav=&betaunit=d&cv=&hv=&areav=+&perimeterv=&x=103&y=13 Distance to object 286,478.89754 miles. A bit high don't you think? Now @alexacan we have an explanation for this please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 46 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: Consistent evasion to literally dozens of things is not being truthful. I evade your questions as the foundation of most of them are based on lies & fairy tales, especially your spinning ball. How can ppl believe such crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, alexa said: I evade your questions as the foundation of most of them are based on lies & fairy tales, especially your spinning ball. How can ppl believe such crap. That in itself is a complete lie. My questions are based on observation! You just evaded another one. You already answered a major problem with flat earth, with the crazy Moon being its own magic light source and even THAT doesn't explain any of my questions. STILL, people on either side of the Moon on my diagram would see different faces of a sphere not the same identical face! Your evasion of this is because you simply cannot answer fundamental observations! In addition they would STILL see different phases according to where they observed from. Now another one of hundreds involves easy to verify mathematics....just above and you fail to answer it with your daft response: Explaining this for you and ignoring the impossibility of the Sun actually doing this. 1. Midday Sun is at zenith flat earthers say it is 3000 miles away. 2. Setting sun is also 3000 miles above the surface but now at a fraction below 90 degrees to zenith. It is 0.001 degrees above horizon and that is 2 parts to a trig equation that results in it being 1,720,000,000 million miles away Edited March 25, 2022 by Mr. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. Nice said: That in itself is a complete lie. My questions are based on observation! You just evaded another one. You already answered a major problem with flat earth, with the crazy Moon being its own magic light source and even THAT doesn't explain any of my questions. STILL, people on either side of the Moon on my diagram would see different faces of a sphere not the same identical face! Your evasion of this is because you simply cannot answer fundamental observations! In addition they would STILL see different phases according to where they observed from. Now another one of hundreds involves easy to verify mathematics....just above and you fail to answer it with your daft response: Explaining this for you and ignoring the impossibility of the Sun actually doing this. 1. Midday Sun is at zenith flat earthers say it is 3000 miles away. 2. Setting sun is also 3000 miles above the surface but now at a fraction below 90 degrees to zenith. It is 0.001 degrees above horizon and that is 2 parts to a trig equation that results in it being 1,720,000,000 million miles away I'll give you one thing, you know your stuff, pity it's all based on lies from the source i.e Masons etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, alexa said: I'll give you one thing, you know your stuff, pity it's all based on lies from the source i.e Masons etc etc. And once again cowardly evasion. I know my stuff because I know trigonometry? Anyone who does maths can do this. Hells bells, all you need to do is go to an online calculator and it does it for you! So, where is your explanation? This is nothing at all to do with any of your "masonic lies" bollocks - it is simple, reproducible mathematics. The angle formed from the Sun a fraction above the horizon makes it 1,720 million miles away. Now call me a wishful-thinker, but quite how anyone can maintain a belief in the stupid flat earth with evidence like this is many levels beyond absurd. So to summarise: We have your magic moon that self illuminates but doesn't even remotely explain simultaneous views from far apart at multiple locations. We have a setting Sun on a flat Earth further away than it actually is for a planet! You understand none of this, therefore you ignore it - but still believe the Earth is flat when it doesn't explain anything. 3 hours ago, alexa said: How can ppl believe such crap. 14 hours ago, alexa said: I do try to be as truthful as I can When can we expect you to acknowledge these profound problems with your claim? You know, be as truthful as you can! Edited March 26, 2022 by Mr. Nice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 7 hours ago, alexa said: Based on what, this article that gives the works of Aristotle, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy & Columbus ? Who were all in this massive club where you ain't a member. Lol'z Columbus went round in in massive circle ending up where he first started off.(Thanks Mr Spice) Try reading, listening and knowing the word of God instead of listening to men who interpret Gods word to fit in with their own way of thinking. You religious loons figure it out amongst yourselves, then get back to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 hours ago, alexa said: Most Christians I've spoken to do not believe the earth is flat until it is explained to them via the Bible. That's funny, most Christians I've spoken to are bat shit crazy, but not bat shit crazy enough to believe the earth is flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, alexa said: I'll give you one thing, you know your stuff, pity it's all based on lies from the source i.e Masons etc etc. Ah yes, it's either your personal little Sky Fairy, God, or the evil shadowy bogeymen, the Masons. Between both of them, you have every explanation for every possible thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alexa Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Mr. Nice said: We have a setting Sun on a flat Earth further away than it actually is for a planet! The sun doesn't set. 3 hours ago, DarianF said: That's funny, most Christians I've spoken to are bat shit crazy, but not bat shit crazy enough to believe the earth is flat. This is because they need Genesis 1 explained to them. How Dare you call Christians bat crazy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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