The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

This is the 60th south parallel on a Mercator map.

 

This is the 60th south parallel on a azimuthal equidistant projection (black circle)

 

 

"Anything below the 60th south parallel is referred to as the Antarctic Treaty area. What does that mean? That means I am generally not allowed within hundreds of miles of Antarctica from approximately 400 and 900 miles without obtaining a permit to do so."

 

"Lets look at it from the 60th north parallel because this will give you an idea of the tremendous area blocked off to independent exploration:

 

 

This is the area of the 60th north parallel. As you can see the 60th north parallel includes all of north Canada, Alaska, much of Russia, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Greenland. It is huge. Now why in the world is this much area blocked off at the south?"

 

 

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[alexa]

Elon Musk SpaceX "Mouse Rat In Space" Explained

https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=M39RRSS54O37

 

Here's one of the comments below this vid.

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ohshit, i’ve got it... it wasn’t Aurthur C Clarke.. much more interesting than that: it was Wernher von Braun! i’ve d/l’d the PDF. the book is titled Project Mars by Dr. Wernher von Braun. here’s an excerpt about "Elon": __

"The Martian government was directed by ten men, the leader of whom was elected byrnuniversal suffrage for five years and entitled "Elon." Two houses of Parliament enactedrnthe laws to be administered by the Elon and his cabinet.rnThe Upper House was called the Council of the Elders.."__

let me know if you want the pdf download link. this is important. recall also, the fact that Wernher von Braun left us all a clue pointing towards Truth via his grave marker.

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[theo102]

5 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

"Lets look at it from the 60th north parallel because this will give you an idea of the tremendous area blocked off to independent exploration:

 

The Mercator projection doesn’t preserve area correctly, especially as you get closer to the poles. 

 

https://www.axismaps.com/guide/general/map-projections/

 

[zArk]

it is a wonder whats so exciting at antartica. either a frozen civilisation - - ala graham hancock or loads of snow with a bunch of scientists pulling their puds and flicking beans because the ice is amazing. it is quite odd there being a banned zone around it. 

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

12 hours ago, theo102 said:

 

The Mercator projection doesn’t preserve area correctly, especially as you get closer to the poles. 

 

https://www.axismaps.com/guide/general/map-projections/

 

 

Correct. On the equidistant azimuthal map of the flat earth the outer diameter exceeds the inner diameter by orders of magnitude. Meaning the area blocked off below the 60th south parallel is immensely larger that the area above the 60th north. Making the lockdown that much more draconian.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

Let us not forget that Antarctica is not the only polar mystery.

 

Mercator quotes Cnoyn in a correspondance;

 

" ...in the midst of the four continents is a whilpool into which there empty these four indrawing seas which divide the north. And the water rushes round and descends into the earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is 4 degrees wide on every side of the pole, that is to say 8 degrees altogether.

 

Except that right under the pole there lies a bare rock in the midst of the sea. It's circumference is almost 33 french miles and it is all of magnetic stone. And is as high as the clouds.

 

And the Minorite himself had heard that one can see all round it from the sea, and that it is black and glistening. And nothing grows thereon, for there is not so much as a handful of soil on it."

 

 

According to Wikipedia:

 

" The persistance of this idea of the geography of the far north persisted throughout the 16th and 17th century. This is probably due to the influence of Ruysch, Mercator, and Ortelius. Maps were only revised when the region was explored and mapmakers obtained knowledge of the true geography of the Arctic."

 

The maps were revised when the "implications" were explored.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

The Dew Line. A supposed advance warning system driven by a Cold War between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. 

 

Both remained loyal treaty partners in Antarctica but were suspicious of each other at the north pole. More coverup bs.

 

[theo102]

39 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Correct. On the equidistant azimuthal map of the flat earth the outer diameter exceeds the inner diameter by orders of magnitude. Meaning the area blocked off below the 60th south parallel is immensely larger that the area above the 60th north. Making the lockdown that much more draconian.

 

Flat earthers can't cope with simple things like sunset and sunrise, there's no point in talking to them about Antarctica.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

Another perspective of this Arctic continent concept, Martin Behaim's 1492 globe map.

 

 

Appears as though that alleged black glistening magnetic mountain in the center of the giant whirlpool left an impression on this globe cobbler.

 

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[alexa]

3 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Except that right under the pole there lies a bare rock in the midst of the sea. It's circumference is almost 33 french miles and it is all of magnetic stone. And is as high as the clouds.

 

And the Minorite himself had heard that one can see all round it from the sea, and that it is black and glistening. And nothing grows thereon, for there is not so much as a handful of soil on it."

 

 This is where Satan took Jesus to show him all of the earth and offered it to him if only he would bow down and worship him.

Matthew 4

 

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’” 8 Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9“All this I will give You,” he said, “if You will fall down and worship me.”…

 

And apparently it is under this mountain that  leads to the the underworld called  'The Schlaraffen Lands'. Somebody must have explored it, as apparently this is the land the mysterious 'Voynick Manuscripts', it's water ways and its volcanic systems were copied from.

This must be true as why does the Vatican display a map of this underworlds water system?

If you watch this vid, it explains all this; It wouldn't let me embed the vid.

 

Watch from 1.33

https://youtu.be/iHbLQ3cTUIM

 

 

 

 

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[Avoiceinthecrowd]

 

Backstage they are loyal Antarctic Treaty signatories. Not even a whisper that the Soviets would abandon the treaty. Not even a threat of breach of contract.

 

Ready to wipe each other from the face of the earth in some apocalyptic holocaust yet dependable treaty partners. The Soviets, in their Cold War sabre rattling antics never threatened to walk out of that treaty and dig in to Antarctica.

 

Especially in view of the fact that the US would not expect an attack from the south. For some reason everyone assumes Antarctica will never be used as a missile base. That all signatories are good for their word.

 

They don't even suspect any signatories would secretly deploy weapons there. 

 

On the surface we drop like flies in their unending international theatres of conflict and failed diplomacy while secretly these belligerents are very cooperative when it comes to Antarctica.

 

All that blood and money squandered in illusions of war.

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[Avoiceinthecrowd]

They guard the south gate with lies about protecting the environment and the guard the north gate with lies about early warning of attack from their butt buddies in the Soviet Union.

[alexa]

Why did they call it a Dew line ? 

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

Why did they call it a Dew line ? 

 

Distant Early Warning. 

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

 

If I was allowed only one statement to disqualify the ball earth this would be it.

 

Elementary physics. 

 

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[Avoiceinthecrowd]

 

Yummy!!

[theo102]

2 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

If I was allowed only one statement to disqualify the ball earth this would be it.

 

It doesn't have to be a physical barrier that separates a gas from a vacuum because any force can keep the gas particles in one area, it doesn't have to be the forces from the particles bouncing off something solid.

 

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

1 hour ago, theo102 said:

It doesn't have to be a physical barrier that separates a gas from a vacuum because any force can keep the gas particles in one area, it doesn't have to be the forces from the particles bouncing off something solid.

 

 

What kind of force did you have in mind? 

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

Addressing the United Nations in 1960, president Eisenhower proposed that the principals of the Antarctic Treaty be applied to outer space.

 

 

Space penguins?

 

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Avoiceinthecrowd

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

 

Not bad for exploits in a non existant medium. Hundreds of billions of dollars and no picture of a ball earth from outer space. 4500 pictures taken on the moon and not one star.

 

Shooting up one empty rocket after another followed by a media blitz and the treasury doors swing wide open. 

 

Treaties that hold fast as signatories send contingents of men to be slaughtered in wars against each other.

 

Centuries old maps relaced with "sanitized" versions in the north pole.

 

 

Distant Advance Warning systems costing billions to protect against a contractual partner in Antarctica.

 

Its embarrassing.

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[Avoiceinthecrowd]

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

 

Thanks to covid 19 we saw these low bandwidth curiosity types wearing tight masks and applauding their incarceration. You point at the moon and all they see is the finger.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

 

NASA has the means, the motives, and the opportunities to create all manner of false facade aimed at discrediting those revealing evidence of grand larceny on a scale never seen before. They have a vested interest in conserving the globe model. The flat earth would land them in jail if it was allowed to go mainstream. Lots of faces with cream pie.

[peter]

4 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

 

If I was allowed only one statement to disqualify the ball earth this would be it.

 

Elementary physics. 

 

So what your saying if you have a vacuum chamber in a lab  you have to ask to what degree of vacuum do you want , A total vacuum or or just a few air  molecules or maybe a 90% vacuum , you should be specific.   lets just say there is a 100% vacuum in the chamber and  all the air  has been removed,then through another line you open a valve and you put a small amount of oxygen ,argon ,nitrogen etc etc it don't matter because according to you a gas and a vacuum can't exist unless there is a barrier to separate the gas from the vacuum, so where dose the gas go .

 

This thread has followed all the classic lines, with regards to nonsensical debate, first a premise is put forward ,in this case flat earth theory  as time goes by and their evidence is refuted the explanations from the other side of the debate is summarily   ignored , the thread becomes more convoluted and the waters are muddied, this is a brilliant tactic as now we see a whole plethora of memes sayings and unrelated subjects even the bloody bible was thrown in for good measure, instead of a rational debate on the subject alone , also the other method used ,is what I call the questions confusion , explain this  or explain that, and usually the question being asked is not related to the original premise   however   when you do offer an explanation it is completely ignored  and move on the the next ridiculous question, the other side were the ones making the assertions ,maybe they should be the ones doing the explaining.

By this time the debate is just about over as the other side has just given up and couldn't be bothered any more, then we see there is open slather with regards to bullshit as the posts become more and more idiotic as no one is there to pull them up, after awhile most get fed up because they now realize there talking to themselves, but there is always one that keeps going thinking we all should reap the benefit of his or her wisdom 

 

Oh also The flat earth researcher  is the bullshit I'm referring to among much much more, and yes I will show some restraint  and not comment ,but I certainly can think of a lot that would fit admirably   

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

45 minutes ago, peter said:

So what your saying if you have a vacuum chamber in a lab  you have to ask to what degree of vacuum do you want , A total vacuum or or just a few air  molecules or maybe a 90% vacuum , you should be specific.   lets just say there is a 100% vacuum in the chamber and  all the air  has been removed,then through another line you open a valve and you put a small amount of oxygen ,argon ,nitrogen etc etc it don't matter because according to you a gas and a vacuum can't exist unless there is a barrier to separate the gas from the vacuum, so where dose the gas go .

 

This thread has followed all the classic lines, with regards to nonsensical debate, first a premise is put forward ,in this case flat earth theory  as time goes by and their evidence is refuted the explanations from the other side of the debate is summarily   ignored , the thread becomes more convoluted and the waters are muddied, this is a brilliant tactic as now we see a whole plethora of memes sayings and unrelated subjects even the bloody bible was thrown in for good measure, instead of a rational debate on the subject alone , also the other method used ,is what I call the questions confusion , explain this  or explain that, and usually the question being asked is not related to the original premise   however   when you do offer an explanation it is completely ignored  and move on the the next ridiculous question, the other side were the ones making the assertions ,maybe they should be the ones doing the explaining.

By this time the debate is just about over as the other side has just given up and couldn't be bothered any more, then we see there is open slather with regards to bullshit as the posts become more and more idiotic as no one is there to pull them up, after awhile most get fed up because they now realize there talking to themselves, but there is always one that keeps going thinking we all should reap the benefit of his or her wisdom 

 

Oh also The flat earth researcher  is the bullshit I'm referring to among much much more, and yes I will show some restraint  and not comment ,but I certainly can think of a lot that would fit admirably   

 

If only gratuitous characterizations constituted evidence I might feel compelled to review my convictions. I doubt your colorations of this presentation will matter in the long haul.