Ziggy Sawdust Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: If you wish I can find a video showing this. Sorry, no CGI or cartoons allowed. 3 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: One thing NEVER noted on any of these videos is that we often see the camera do a complete 360 scan and lo and behold there is no complete flat Earth, just a segment of the circle. Right there is the slam dunk proof it aint flat. I think you're getting a bit mixed up here....Pizzas and Pancakes are circular, but they're flat my friend, not spherical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Hi Mr Nice. Good to see you've joined and decided your first post should be one supporting 'space' As you're now here and obviously think you live on a ball would you perhaps care to tell me why the constellations above us (specifically the polar star) have never changed position in thousands and thousands of years despite us travelling at immense unimaginable speeds through the void....The Earth, NASA tells me, travels around the sun at 66, 666 mph (where have I seen that number before?). The Sun (our solar system) rotates around the center of the Milky Way at beween 420, 000 and 540, 000 mph. Finally, it is believed that the Milky Way is traveling or moving around a "local group" of galaxies at 2, 237, 000 mph. Doesn't make sense to me. This is where I ask you to explain why they should be moving significantly. EVERYTHING together in the Milky Way is rotating. They are so far away from the Earth it is really, really difficult to demonstrate. It's like if I was The Earth and you the Sun 10 feet away - the nearest star would be about a billion miles away. Our shared movement is tiny compared to the distance of the stars from us. Axial precession - Wikipedia It's wiki, that doesn't mean it's wrong since every statement is sourced. There is movement, just very very slow and over significant time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: Perhaps you can share your faith properly and demonstrate that you can answer things that prove your views incorrect. Explain why the Moon is inverted in the southern hemisphere. I have numerous follow up questions accordingly. Perhaps you'd be courteous enough to answer my constellation question that I asked you before you start grilling me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just now, Ziggy Sawdust said: Sorry, no CGI or cartoons allowed. This would be the video that that you are citing. It is always the same, the video shows curvature, briefly flat as it crosses the lower lens and always shows a circle that is NOT the full Earth. Just now, Ziggy Sawdust said: I think you're getting a bit mixed up here....Pizzas and Pancakes are circular, but they're flat my friend, not spherical. No confusion. We see a partial of a circle that is round and curved, but not the full flat earth. Explain why we cannot see the entire flat earth from so high up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Perhaps you'd be courteous enough to answer my constellation question that I asked you before you start grilling me. Answered already pending mod approval see above. That post wasn't from one of your quotes. It was from alexa. Edited March 8, 2022 by Mr. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: Perhaps you can share your faith properly and demonstrate that you can answer things that prove your views incorrect. Explain why the Moon is inverted in the southern hemisphere. I have numerous follow up questions accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Thank you for the stock and absurd explanation. Now tell me why the view from the same latitude the same distance apart doesn't do the same thing. If you view the Moon at rise from South America and at set in Perth Australia the same face is visible at the same time. Explain please. Further to your picture, track the Moon down to the horizon and show the view from either of those two observers - it now becomes the same! Edited March 8, 2022 by Mr. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: This would be the video that that you are citing. It is always the same, the video shows curvature, briefly flat as it crosses the lower lens and always shows a circle that is NOT the full Earth. No confusion. We see a partial of a circle that is round and curved, but not the full flat earth. Explain why we cannot see the entire flat earth from so high up. Who says we can't? The first human being that ever travelled up to any decent height was Auguste Piccard in 1931....He observed that at 52,000 feet Earth “seemed a flat disc with an upturned edge.” On you tube, there is official US Airforce footage showing the view from a jet at 375,000 feet and guess what?....The horizon is flat. And how do you explain that no matter how high you go the horizon rises with you to the eye.....That's impossible on a ball and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: Thank you for the stock and absurd explanation. Now tell me why the view from the same latitude the same distance apart doesn't do the same thing. If you view the Moon at rise from South America and at set in Perth Australia the same face is visible at the same time. Explain please. Further to your picture, track the Moon down to the horizon and show the view from either of those two observers - it now becomes the same! Wow, slow down man....Just joined and at this rate you'll be top poster in a week. Who the hell sent you! As I said, answer my constellation question first and we'll continue the conversation like civilised people. Your aggression is already showing you know.........Typical ball believer behaviour when cognitive dissonance sets in. It was why the other thread was locked. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just now, Ziggy Sawdust said: Who says we can't? I say we can't and every single piece of high altitude footage shows this. Your example image is from footage confirming this. Just now, Ziggy Sawdust said: The first human being that ever travelled up to any decent height was Auguste Piccard in 1931....He observed that at 52,000 feet Earth “seemed a flat disc with an upturned edge.” Did he now. Planes get up to to 35000 feet and clearly that is a load of nonsense. Lear jets fly at that altitude and it just shows a low level curve as expected. Just now, Ziggy Sawdust said: On you tube, there is official US Airforce footage showing the view from a jet at 375,000 feet and guess what?....The horizon is flat. Says who? Let me guess the source is a manipulated flat earth video. Just now, Ziggy Sawdust said: And how do you explain that no matter how high you go the horizon rises with you to the eye.....That's impossible on a ball and you know it. You are quoting something that has been proven to be absurdly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Wow, slow down man....Just joined and at this rate you'll be top poster in a week. Just answer my posts thank you. 8 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Who the hell sent you! Nobody. 8 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: As I said, answer my constellation question first and we'll continue the conversation like civilised people. Answered above. Please read my replies. My replies are perfectly civil. 8 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Your aggression is already showing you know.........Typical ball believer behaviour when cognitive dissonance sets in. There is no aggression in any of my posts and you just cast the first stone by labelling me as cognitively dissonant. The second stone lumps in "ball believers" into a group with similar attributes. 8 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: It was why the other thread was locked. The other thread was locked because a flat earther came in and started abusing a moderator. Just answer the questions and replies, try not to get sucked in to the personality game and defend your case. Now, the Moon questions when you're ready. Edited March 8, 2022 by Mr. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Ive not entered into discussing this subject as yet but would like to now how a ball earth can spin without all the water from the oceans not accumulating at the equator? Even the slightest angular change and water runs to the lowest point. The slightest centrifugal action would result in all the oceans at the equator. To keep the oceans intact on a spinning ball the gravitational variance would have to be precise. also gravity would be less at the "equator" as it is countered by centripetal force. Has that been noted? As earth is supposed to be an oblate spheroid, how does that work with materials of different fluidity! on a blob with an even crust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. Nice said: I say we can't and every single piece of high altitude footage shows this. Your example image is from footage confirming this. Did he now. Planes get up to to 35000 feet and clearly that is a load of nonsense. Lear jets fly at that altitude and it just shows a low level curve as expected. Says who? Let me guess the source is a manipulated flat earth video. You are quoting something that has been proven to be absurdly wrong. Sorry, you're right, the earth is a ball....I was wrong. You can go back to where you came from now. This reminds me of the Mark Twain quote "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Not saying you are an idiot but you are certainly acting like one.......Now take that lamp out of my face. The one thing I NEVER do is get into any dialogue with aggressive people....On and offline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Retriever Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: The other thread was locked because a flat earther came in and started abusing a moderator. Just answer the questions and replies, try not to get sucked in to the personality game and defend your case. Now, the Moon questions when you're ready. Who was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, zarkov said: Ive not entered into discussing this subject as yet but would like to now how a ball earth can spin without all the water from the oceans not accumulating at the equator? Even the slightest angular change and water runs to the lowest point. The slightest centrifugal action would result in all the oceans at the equator. Not true. The centrifugal force is very small and nowhere near enough to counter gravitational force. The angular velocity is 360 degrees in 24hrs. 7 minutes ago, zarkov said: To keep the oceans intact on a spinning ball the gravitational variance would have to be precise. No it would not. That makes no sense at all. 7 minutes ago, zarkov said: also gravity would be less at the "equator" as it is countered by centripetal force. Has that been noted? Yes. Do I weigh less on the equator than at the North Pole? | Science Questions with Surprising Answers (wtamu.edu) 7 minutes ago, zarkov said: As earth is supposed to be an oblate spheroid, how does that work with materials of different fluidity! on a blob with an even crust. Not sure what you mean. Clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alexa Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. Nice said: Did he now. Planes get up to to 35000 feet and clearly that is a load of nonsense. It's not nonsense Auguste Picard did reach a height of 52,000 feet, And there is proof of this & what he saw in the 1931 magazine called Popular Science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Sorry, you're right, the earth is a ball....I was wrong. You can go back to where you came from now. This reminds me of the Mark Twain quote "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Not saying you are an idiot but you are certainly acting like one.......Now take that lamp out of my face. The one thing I NEVER do is get into any dialogue with aggressive people....On and offline. Right there demonstrating the very thing you complain about. Your reply is needlessly obnoxious and aggressive. You failed to answer my responses like a civil person. Explain my response to your moon image about the southern hemisphere inversion. None of my posts are aggressive, rude, uncivil or provocative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: Yes I do. The gravitational force pulls the air towards the surface, creating a compression effect from air above. As the altitude increases the pressure decreases slowly until it reaches equilibrium with the vacuum. There is no magic blanket, just progressively less and less pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, alexa said: It's not nonsense Auguste Picard did reach a height of 52,000 feet, And there is proof of this & what he saw in the 1931 magazine called Popular Science. Great, so what is he saying that confirms the Earth is flat? His views do not match with those from passenger planes and Lear jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said: Who was that? It was an exchange with a long time user and Basket Case where he must have come back from the pub a bit drunk and started a couple of pages of abuse. Forget his moniker. The evidence was "tidied up" as usual - not by BC another mod. I'm not lying though. Edited March 8, 2022 by Mr. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mr. Nice said: Not true. The centrifugal force is very small and nowhere near enough to counter gravitational force. The angular velocity is 360 degrees in 24hrs. If that is the case then why is it purported to be an oblate spheroid then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Nice Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just now, zarkov said: If that is the case then why is it purported to be an oblate spheroid then? Because of the increased rotation you posted about, at the equator. It reaches its equilibrium point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusOmouse Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just now, Mr. Nice said: Right there demonstrating the very thing you complain about. Your reply is needlessly obnoxious and aggressive. You failed to answer my responses like a civil person. Explain my response to your moon image about the southern hemisphere inversion. None of my posts are aggressive, rude, uncivil or provocative. Indeed they aren't. But in the light of current world affairs - peoplle being essentially murdered or mutated by injection and a completely unneccesary war, essentially created by the usual sabbatean suspects in the West, I'm curious as to what motivates your drive for truth on a subject that wont change your life or that of other human beings, as opposed to vaccines and war that will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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