Solasta Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, BlueSky said: Is this your answer to gravity? Please can you explain to everyone exactly what keeps the densest item at the bottom and the least dense at the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, Solasta said: Is this your answer to gravity? Please can you explain to everyone exactly what keeps the densest item at the bottom and the least dense at the top? This makes more sense to me. If it doesn't to you, then that's fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solasta Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, BlueSky said: This makes more sense to me. If it doesn't to you, then that's fine. That video did the same thing as you just did. It failed to answer my simple question. What exactly makes things fall? ie. The direction of fall is downwards. Gravity explains this, density relies on gravity to explain it. If you were half way up Everest with 50% less air density, things would still fall at the same acceleration rate - that makes no sense if density alone was the cause. Eric Dubay is a conman who makes money from all his online ventures. Show me where he explains why things accelerate as they fall. If you cannot do this, how can you say it makes more sense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Solasta said: That meme is quiote deceptive actually. For example, the vikings did not believe in a flat earth or a dome. Were the Vikings Flat Earthers? | Throwback Thorsday (wordpress.com) Many of those pictures do not represent the culture they are supposed to. The Greeks knew the Earth was spherical and this is really easy to verify. it is not deceptive actually all those people and establishments of Greece that taught Eratosthenes knew the earth was flat. ERATOSTHENES Greece didnt just suddenly become the centre of civilisation. Prior to 500 b.c it was a thriving society of cultures 1 hour ago, Solasta said: Atlas supported the world on his shoulders. So did the Greeks believe the world was round and if so, was it only in Medieval times the world became flat and then round again in the modern era? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk (theguardian.com) pretty sure that Atlas was punished with the task of holding the heavens on his shoulders heaven was in greek myth Uranus , so i conclude that the Helio Greeks decided to rewrite their myth and deceive the world using Atlas as part of the brainwashing 1 hour ago, Solasta said: As did the Romans from as early as the third century BC. not least through their link with the Greeks. Nearly every seafaring society in that least were aware of the spherical nature of the surface through the way ships disappeared from view over the horizon. roman republic was founded 500b.c which makes me question the 'enlightened' romans 200 years later 1 hour ago, Solasta said: Finally, NASA is just one of many space agancies that have ventured into space. The number of satellites at this moment, trackable and sending data down to receiving stations numbers in the thousands. No, there is no 'space'. No space ships, no rockets, ISS is a drone. Video from ISS, space, orbit etc etc has shown glaring errors like green screens, 'glitches' in footage Edited January 19, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I do feel like the ground giving way to the flat earthers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solasta Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 50 minutes ago, zArk said: it is not deceptive actually all those people and establishments of Greece that taught Eratosthenes knew the earth was flat. ERATOSTHENES Greece didnt just suddenly become the centre of civilisation. Prior to 500 b.c it was a thriving society of cultures It is deceptive in the extreme. It uses pictures that most certainly do not represent the cultures depicted and isolates only NASA as a space faring group when there are about a dozen, with plans for many more. Your statement "knew the Earth was flat" is also not true. The Earth isn't flat, they neither knew this or thought it. The ancient Greeks were very smart people and with simple experiments figured out the obvious - we are on a planet. 50 minutes ago, zArk said: pretty sure that Atlas was punished with the task of holding the heavens on his shoulders heaven was in greek myth Uranus , so i conclude that the Helio Greeks decided to rewrite their myth and deceive the world using Atlas as part of the brainwashing Your conclusion is once again incorrect. Since every single image ever made of Atlas shows him holding up the planet, that is an awful lot of 'Helio Greeks' and an awful lot of influence. So by that very token, the image ypu provide of the Greeks saying there was a dome is indeed deceptive. 50 minutes ago, zArk said: roman republic was founded 500b.c which makes me question the 'enlightened' romans 200 years later I find it very strange that you don't think any society could progress in the space of 200 years. Besides, you haven't established anywhere that that cartoon of the Rome-dome is representative of their society let alone accurate. 50 minutes ago, zArk said: No, there is no 'space'. No space ships, no rockets, ISS is a drone. Video from ISS, space, orbit etc etc has shown glaring errors like green screens, 'glitches' in footage One of the most crazy things I've ever replied to. So according to you, all the trackable satellites are not trackable, none of the tens of thousands of space launches has made it into space, everyone ever involved in any of those launches and subsequent ongoing data collection is lying and they are manufacturing millions of items just to pull the wool over the whole eyes of the human race? The ISS can be seen non stop on its entire orbit, it actually had a 24/7 feed going for a long while. I've seen many of these badly informed youtube videos claiming all sorts of incorrect things. Does this forum have a thread about this, I'd be happy to explain them for you. Could you pick out your best 2 or 3? 50 minutes ago, zArk said: I got as far as point number 1 showing all the other planets and wondered if this was actually a joke. Amateur Astronomers routinely take pictures of the planets all through the day, some do time lapses showing them clearly rotating. As for the Moon being a flat disc, that is absurd and once again incorrect. The Moon shows us 57% of its spherical surface as it gets tugged around by the Earth's gravity - this is called libration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 hours ago, alexa said: Me neither! Once a believer in F/E always a believer It's logical isn't it ? All the questions you have to ask yourself, why don't we feel the earth move ? How does water stay on a spinning ball? etc, etc........... Me neither! Once a believer in F/E always a believer That is correct. It is simply belief. The understanding horizon of the ancient world corresponds to the wild tribes who have never seen an aircraft before. Don't worry, the level of knowledge of the so-called 21st century corresponds to that which still has no understanding of multidimensional realities. Which it can neither detect nor has the technology to do so at all. It's logical isn't it ? Belief is not logical. Assumptions will never become knowing. How does water stay on a spinning ball? etc, etc.. The true extent of the earth is unknown. How expansion is to be understood in the first place. And what earth is in general. To do this, Humans have to discover the reason for existence and reality. This also includes understanding that humans have not yet been granted higher-order knowledge at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Origin said: have not yet been granted higher-order knowledge at all. Granted or hidden? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Morpheus said: Granted or hidden? A smart question. Assume that it is impossible. This applies to all those who want to gain access without being ready for it. If there is a possibility of encountering something unexpected that only begins behind all that is known, the answer is yes. If this would be of benefit to all then the answer is no. Something will always know when someone is actually ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Origin said: A smart question. Assume that it is impossible. This applies to all those who want to gain access without being ready for it. If there is a possibility of encountering something unexpected that only begins behind all that is known, the answer is yes. If this would be of benefit to all then the answer is no. Something will always know when someone is actually ready. I'm a believer of if you want answers then you will find them. Therefore, not granted, more revealed and discovered. As for hidden, again my belief that huge swathes of knowledge/technology have been hidden from us and why we have a collective amnesia of our true origin's and beginnings. A catharsis of such is occurring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 14 hours ago, BlueSky said: How nice you are obviously concerned about people with short term memory issues I think like alexa you follow the famous saying in Forrest Gump ,and no I don't mean the one about the box of chocolates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 hours ago, peter said: How nice you are obviously concerned about people with short term memory issues I think like alexa you follow the famous saying in Forrest Gump ,and no I don't mean the one about the box of chocolates I don't mind being compared to Forrest Gump. He was massively successful with the most important things in life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 22 hours ago, Solasta said: The Earth isn't flat, they neither knew this or thought it. I think you need to check out this thread from the start. The evidence is overwhelming There is no sphere earth, no curve, no orbit etc 22 hours ago, Solasta said: Your conclusion is once again incorrect. Since every single image ever made of Atlas shows him holding up the planet, Now thats a deceivious argument. i am correct that the myth was that Atlas had the heavens on his shoulders , not the earth All images of Atlas holding a globe is a hoax 22 hours ago, Solasta said: I find it very strange that you don't think any society could progress in the space of 200 years. nothing strange i pointed out that all those societies had the earth as a flat plane in a dome prior to powerful political and religious influence by ball obsessed loonies 22 hours ago, Solasta said: The ISS can be seen non stop on its entire orbit, it actually had a 24/7 feed going for a long while i question everything and when i investigated the 'live feed' i found it missing many hours within the 24hrs. Additionally all images from inside the ISS are fake. The outside camera has on many occasions shown glitches n.b without the curve, without the sphere there cannot be any orbiting craft or machine. There is no curve. there is no sphere. Nothing seen from NASA or other space agency has brainwashed me back into the helio nonsense 22 hours ago, Solasta said: I got as far as point number 1 showing all the other planets and wondered if this was actually a joke. Amateur Astronomers routinely take pictures of the planets all through the day, some do time lapses showing them clearly rotating. As for the Moon being a flat disc, that is absurd and once again incorrect. The Moon shows us 57% of its spherical surface as it gets tugged around by the Earth's gravity - this is called libration quite aware of the terms and the assumptions made by people and again i point you to my base point no curve, no sphere i never said the moon is a flat disc, if you read my posts on the moon you will find i say it is manifested image within specific gas layer in the sky. The energy creating it comes from outside the dome/firmament. absurdities come from heliocentrism all the time. What would be propa absurd would be believing in the orbiting planets, space, earth spinning when there is no curve to this planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 14 hours ago, Morpheus said: I'm a believer of if you want answers then you will find them. Therefore, not granted, more revealed and discovered. As for hidden, again my belief that huge swathes of knowledge/technology have been hidden from us and why we have a collective amnesia of our true origin's and beginnings. A catharsis of such is occurring. It is not that simple. Because no one can even distinguish what comes from humans and what does not. You must have an almost impossible knowledge of everything that can lead to answers. This includes the entire range of relevant knowledge of Humans. Then something extraordinary will happen. You will have direct intervention of this intelligence which will show you where the mistakes are. Then you will rearrange for yourself the important factors that do not originate from humans. Words cannot express how unbearably hard this process is. You will know things that you yourself would consider impossible. And you will know that there was never any other way. You will also know what Humans don't know yet. And where some deceive many. It can take an eternity for the whole thing to take a single step forward. And this will happen when something deems it to be necessary...And answers will find you, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 11:00 AM, Solasta said: The number of satellites at this moment, trackable and sending data down to receiving stations numbers in the thousands. You'd think by now we'd have a real picture of one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velma Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, alexa said: You'd think by now we'd have a real picture of one. And why has Tonga lost all communications because an undersea cable has snapped? Where are the satellites when you need them? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solasta Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, alexa said: You'd think by now we'd have a real picture of one. We do. The problem with orbiting satellites though is their proximity to Earth. 200 miles sounds a lot but the planet is very big so it can only image a small section of it. The Apollo missions took a substantial amount of full and partial images and some composites from partials have been made more recently. Apollo Image Atlas, 70mm Hasselblad Image Catalog (usra.edu) Edited January 20, 2022 by Solasta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solasta Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, Velma said: And why has Tonga lost all communications because an undersea cable has snapped? Where are the satellites when you need them? Digicel reconnects Tongan users via satellite to rest of the world | ZDNet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solasta Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, zArk said: I think you need to check out this thread from the start. The evidence is overwhelming There is no sphere earth, no curve, no orbit etc I think you need to check out the other thread about why it cannot be flat. Giving me the 'go look over there' for your overwhelming evidence is not going to wash. The planet has known about this for thousands of years, it is the daftest conspiracy on planet Earth that it is flat. The setting Moon and Sun proves the sphere. There is not any workable 2 dimensional model of an object above the eyeline dropping below it and without any modification to its size at the vanishing point. 5 hours ago, zArk said: nothing strange i pointed out that all those societies had the earth as a flat plane in a dome prior to powerful political and religious influence by ball obsessed loonies No, you pointed out somebody else's claim and made no attemot to verify it. I highlighted just a couple of fairly big inconsistencies which you chose to arm-wave away and in addition chose to ignore that these images do not represent the societal view of each of those people. Even if that was 100% accurate which it is not, so what? One would certainly expect any society without modern instrumentation or sea travel to be unaware of the size of the planet or its shape. 5 hours ago, zArk said: i question everything and when i investigated the 'live feed' i found it missing many hours within the 24hrs. Additionally all images from inside the ISS are fake. The outside camera has on many occasions shown glitches That is just not true. Your 'glitches' are nothing unusual, just digital artefacts. Youtube has a few really appallingly bad videos with these so called problems. I asked you to detail 3 of your best ones. Please try not to dump a video on here, maybe summarise in your own words? 5 hours ago, zArk said: n.b without the curve, without the sphere there cannot be any orbiting craft or machine. There is no curve. there is no sphere. Nothing seen from NASA or other space agency has brainwashed me back into the helio nonsense There is a curve, there is a sphere and there are thousands of trackable satellites. It's quite ironic that you use the term brainwashing into the actual reality of a heliocentric system. 5 hours ago, zArk said: quite aware of the terms and the assumptions made by people and again i point you to my base point no curve, no sphere Your base opinion means nothing to reality. 5 hours ago, zArk said: i never said the moon is a flat disc, if you read my posts on the moon you will find i say it is manifested image within specific gas layer in the sky. The energy creating it comes from outside the dome/firmament. absurdities come from heliocentrism all the time. What would be propa absurd would be believing in the orbiting planets, space, earth spinning when there is no curve to this planet. You said you 'dunno' what it is. Show your evidence for this mysterious energy creating the Moon from outside the fictional dome. zArk: "dunno if its a disc or a hologram or an image manifested from radiation . dunno. Please tell me how it is doing what it is doing in the animated gif I showed you. Librating. You see science, gravity and the entire community of cosmology and astronomy explains it, know it and understand it. Whereas you dunno and that really shouldn't work for anyone with so much evidence explaining the Moon is another sphere, that radio enthusiast routinely bounce radio waves off of. Anywhere in the thread where you answered any of my points? Edited January 20, 2022 by Solasta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 42 minutes ago, Solasta said: We do. The problem with orbiting satellites though is their proximity to Earth. 200 miles sounds a lot but the planet is very big so it can only image a small section of it. The Apollo missions took a substantial amount of full and partial images and some composites from partials have been made more recently. Apollo Image Atlas, 70mm Hasselblad Image Catalog (usra.edu) So they have been lying to us about all their other so called pics of satellites such as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evanslr Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) Atlas bared the weight of the heavens on his sholuders, not the Earth. See the informative video below from David Talbott. Edited January 20, 2022 by evanslr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solasta Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 4 hours ago, alexa said: So they have been lying to us about all their other so called pics of satellites such as this. No, 'they' haven't. Why did you completely ignore the link showing the Earth pictures? Do you hasve an explanation for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solasta Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, evanslr said: Atlas bared the weight of the heavens on his sholuders, not the Earth. See the informative video below from David Talbott. I don't recall disputing this piece of Greek mythology. Relevance factor zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 52 minutes ago, Solasta said: No, 'they' haven't. Why did you completely ignore the link showing the Earth pictures? Do you hasve an explanation for them? I didn't ignore them, I've seen all these CGI's before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Solasta said: I don't recall disputing this piece of Greek mythology. Relevance factor zero. You quoted; Quote Many of those pictures do not represent the culture they are supposed to. The Greeks knew the Earth was spherical and this is really easy to verify. Atlas supported the world on his shoulders. So did the Greeks believe the world was round and if so, was it only in Medieval times the world became flat and then round again in the modern era? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk (theguardian.com) Atlas was not holding up the earth.......... Atlas was given the task of holding up the heavens as punishment from Zeus for leading the Titans in their battle with the Olympian Gods for control of the heavens. ... The Titan Atlas held up the heavens, a punishment from Zeus for warring with the Olympian gods. Edited January 21, 2022 by alexa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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