Grumpy Owl Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 13 hours ago, zArk said: i am saying the Sun we see is an image manifestation in the exosphere layer. The image is created by a source outside the firmament. OK, so what is this 'source' then, where is it, and what is its purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, zArk said: at speeds measured according to the size of the Helio Sun and Moon. lol Speeds observed from field of view. Nothing to do with sun or moon. 22 minutes ago, zArk said: sphere is not real. The earth is flat. There is no curve. Another lame reply...who you trying to convince here with that mantra you or I? 9 minutes ago, zArk said: 1st the earth is flat. there is no curve. Again with the mantra, waste of time. 9 minutes ago, zArk said: 2nd lets look at pegasus December it is in the sky south and west . In June it is North and east Applied to the Helio model, , its completely different observer directions. FAILED MODEL Ive given your response of why maps change & you just repeat the same now. You have not presented your model & refuse to talk about it..I dont see how your argument debunks the helio model atall. You refuse to offer any alternative also & seem to shy away from. Present your model & present the real problem. Unlike Earth coordinates, celestial coordinates change due to the slow wobble of Earth's axis called precession. Precession causes the equinox points to drift westward at a rate of 50.3 arcseconds annually. As the equinox shifts, it drags the coordinate grid with it. That's why star catalogs and software programs have to be updated regularly to the latest "epoch." https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-resources/right-ascension-declination-celestial-coordinates/ Wheres your source for the Krypton layer & your model beyond the dome again you are avoiding all the points. You keep on about the star positions, an astronomer could school you on them im sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, Grumpy Owl said: OK, so what is this 'source' then, where is it, and what is its purpose? other than to provide this earth with warmth? Source --- logically a radiation source which the creator created On the otherside of our firmament but then EWAR has argued that the electromagnetic core of the earth produces the radiation and it reflects on the underside of the firmament to produce the Sun and Moon in the gas layers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Speeds observed from field of view. Nothing to do with sun or moon Depends upon the assumed height, then considering the air density, a natural flow of air like a river, it is well within the range of possibility and into the probable zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I notice also he doesnt reply to my windfarm response..he says theres no curve, but cant explain the windmills over the horizon as all can see,,he refuses to explain how the sun sets with the same diameter. Because he knows, its not perception & its not vanishing point..its super Zark pulling the sun & windmills down into the sea..on a flat plane you would see the base of the windmills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Another lame reply...who you trying to convince here with that mantra you or I? A required underscore as the Helios prefer to have the presumption fly by without challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Ive given your response of why maps change & you just repeat the same now. and i have retorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Unlike Earth coordinates, celestial coordinates change due to the slow wobble of Earth's axis called precession. Precession causes the equinox points to drift westward at a rate of 50.3 arcseconds annually. As the equinox shifts, it drags the coordinate grid with it. That's why star catalogs and software programs have to be updated regularly to the latest "epoch." that doesnt even come close to recovering the angle of observation between June and December Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, zArk said: Depends upon the assumed height, then considering the air density, a natural flow of air like a river, it is well within the range of possibility and into the probable zone You claim its a drone, thats the kind of response youde expect from Alexa. A fucking drone. For an object to move that fast, that looks exactly like the ISS in our Atmosphere, it would break up into pieces. Like Satellites, you cant begin to explain, so you avoid the topic all together. Like GPS signals on a plane across the pacific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, zArk said: that doesnt even come close to recovering the angle of observation between June and December I dont see how it debunks the helio model & I dont see you explaining your model..just stalling as always. Present your model Zac, youve only been asked about 10 pages of non stop trolly responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, zArk said: Depends upon the assumed height, then considering the air density, a natural flow of air like a river, it is well within the range of possibility and into the probable zone Is it fuck trolly. You an expert on aerodynamics now. Krypton layer source please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: I notice also he doesnt reply to my windfarm response..he says theres no curve, but cant explain the windmills over the horizon i can see the entire windturbine at 17miles because the p1000 focal length extends the 'apparent horizon' A camera with a longer focal length would show the apparent horizon further away The helio horizon is claimed to be 3miles the video shows how the helio 'horizon' is actually an apparent horizon which is variable depending upon the viewing apparatus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, zArk said: Depends upon the assumed height, then considering the air density, a natural flow of air like a river, it is well within the range of possibility and into the probable zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: ou claim its a drone, thats the kind of response youde expect from Alexa. A fucking drone. No genuine footage from inside it. No genuine footage of it being built. No genuine footage of it from an external source. All footage inside it is fake and shown many many times Footage from the ISS of the earth has been shown to be fake It is therefore logical that the ISS is not a real vehicle for manned flight Considering again Tycho, the claimed size is from the mouths of liars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, zArk said: i can see the entire windturbine at 17miles because the p1000 focal length extends the 'apparent horizon' A camera with a longer focal length would show the apparent horizon further away The helio horizon is claimed to be 3miles the video shows how the helio 'horizon' is actually an apparent horizon which is variable depending upon the viewing apparatus. You cant explain why the windmills are falling on the horizon then. On a flat plane you would see the base of all the windmills, your a fool to yourself. Just now, zArk said: No genuine footage from inside it. No genuine footage of it being built. No genuine footage of it from an external source. All footage inside it is fake and shown many many times Footage from the ISS of the earth has been shown to be fake It is therefore logical that the ISS is not a real vehicle for manned flight Considering again Tycho, the claimed size is from the mouths of liars. Whats that got to do with a drone travelling 1700mph? Its there your flat friend videod it. Game over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Game over droid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Is it fuck trolly. You an expert on aerodynamics now. Krypton layer source please. Most of the Helio created fantasy of the sky composition is based upon how it protects the earth from the Suns radiation and how the earths air doesnt just suck off into space with the firmament the entire charade is collapsed. The exosphere and thermosphere and the thermopause all created on paper to perpetuate the myth of the Helio theory. No i am not an expert on aerodynamics but i have heard of the jetstream which albeit claimed only to exist in the lower air shows how completely separate air flow can exist within other air. Krypton layer is where the moon manifests the helium layer is where the sun manifests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said: There are still hours and hours of Flat Earth videos on YouTube so that is not true. I've seen this 'playing the victim' tactic used before. Try searching F/E on YouTube now and all's you seem to get is videos debunking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: You cant explain why the windmills are falling on the horizon then. On a flat plane you would see the base of all the windmills, your a fool to yourself. no, on a flat earth we see exactly what we see. an apparent horizon created by the viewing apparatus The horizon should be at 7 miles from a 6ft observer point yet that p1000 video shows an apparent horizon beyond the 17mile mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, alexa said: Try searching F/E on YouTube now and all's you seem to get is videos debunking it. its difficult to find the stuff. From globebusters and then 24/7 globebusters links can be found to shadow banned sites which are detailed and decent. i missed the whole 2015--- > clamp down years. :( globebusters live 24/7 https://www.youtube.com/user/XanaDude60/live chat box worth reading also Edited October 8, 2021 by zArk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, zArk said: Most of the Helio created fantasy of the sky composition is based upon how it protects the earth from the Suns radiation and how the earths air doesnt just suck off into space You call everything fantasy, that doesnt fit your fantasies, that you cant explain yes. The air doesn't suck to space clearly because of gravity & why the atmosphere gets thinner. I dig your cosmic clairvoyancy. Radical! Just now, zArk said: with the firmament the entire charade is collapsed. The only evidence of your firmament is a few paintings...blind faith or what lol Zero evidence of any leaks or cracks.. You refuse to tell us whats beyond the firmament or how the projectors move Truman. Just now, zArk said: The exosphere and thermosphere and the thermopause all created on paper to perpetuate the myth of the Helio theory. But you know for sure theres a Krypton layer in the upper exosphere..yet cant produce any source. Thats your evidence for the manifestation of the moon. Just now, zArk said: No i am not an expert on aerodynamics but i have heard of the jetstream which albeit claimed only to exist in the lower air shows how completely separate air flow can exist within other air. Ground control to major Tom. Just now, zArk said: Krypton layer is where the moon manifests You dont have a source then and are just waffling to fit your fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, zArk said: 16 minutes ago, zArk said: no, on a flat earth we see exactly what we see. an apparent horizon created by the viewing apparatus The horizon should be at 7 miles from a 6ft observer point yet that p1000 video shows an apparent horizon beyond the 17mile mark. You are wrong again. http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 minute ago, oddsnsods said: ou call everything fantasy, that doesnt fit your fantasies, that you cant explain yes. NASA is lies. All of it. Start to finish. Big fibbers. Laughing at the public they are. 2 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: You refuse to tell us whats beyond the firmament or how the projectors move Truman. i do not refuse anything. 5 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: But you know for sure theres a Krypton layer in the upper exosphere..yet cant produce any source. Thats your evidence for the manifestation of the moon. to be fair you know full well i use the word 'exosphere' to describe the highest air under the firmament. I use helio words for convenience. If you wish me to use parentheses [ ] soits clear its a helio word which i am uses to help you think more clearly Like i humour your inability to see a full wind turbine at 17miles, the blatantly helio destroying night sky and the Tycho problem which throws all your measurements and speed calculations out the firmament. I humour your continued presumption of a sphere earth and your requirement for answers to incredible questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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