The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

1 minute ago, zArk said:

 

why ?

whats the goal of the questions?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Verifyable maths.. 

 

 

[cuboftruth]

1 hour ago, Basket Case said:

 

Explain please. 

 

 

What problems 'over water' ? 

 

 

Here is a decent one over water. Everyone I show these to sees the sun apparently shrinking as it recedes.

 

The main problems over water, because mainly of the humidity or the additional liquid and the 'thickness' of that liquid in the air, is refraction (a few different kinds) and magnification.

 

And here is one of those where you can zoom in on the type of sunset that odds showed you, and bring it back, and clearly above the water.

 

This goes back to the idea that the horizon is not what the narrative claims.

[oddsnsods]

16 minutes ago, zArk said:

dunno if its a disc or a hologram or an image manifested from radiation . dunno.

 

 

It cant be a disc, as my little video I posted to you shows & I just did out of extreme boredom of the subject, as is so obvious.

Comeon Zark you are better than using that map in any serious debate. We been through that map so many times & the endless fallacies with it. The moon is never above our heads its passes across the sky.

A lunar eclipse does not shows a flat shadow does it.

Your whole argument is going nowhere outside the flerther asylum, its worse than the Covidian media virus Scariant narrative.

You cant explain Earths magnetic field, GPS, Aura Borealis in the southern hemisphere...

[Jikwan]

1 minute ago, Basket Case said:

 

Verifyable maths.. 

 

 

Lol

You can use verifiable maths to prove curvature?

Hahaha

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2 minutes ago, Jikwan said:

Lol

You can use verifiable maths to prove curvature?

Hahaha

 

No, but if you tell me roughly how far away the Sun and Moon are, I'll prove beyond reasonable doubt whether the Earth is flat or not. 

 

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

16 minutes ago, cuboftruth said:

Here is a decent one over water. Everyone I show these to sees the sun apparently shrinking as it recedes.

 

The main problems over water, because mainly of the humidity or the additional liquid and the 'thickness' of that liquid in the air, is refraction (a few different kinds) and magnification.

 

And here is one of those where you can zoom in on the type of sunset that odds showed you, and bring it back, and clearly above the water.

 

This goes back to the idea that the horizon is not what the narrative claims.

 

Low res GIFs (yet again)

Not zoomed in (yet again) 

[Jikwan]

3 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

No, but if you tell me roughly how far away the Sun and Moon are, I'll prove beyond reasonable doubt whether the Earth is flat or not. 

 

 

Ìts unimportant

I suspect even the top flatearthers dont know. Have any of them been out there with some sort of measuring device?

Nobody has been past the dome or the atmosphere-vaccuum barrier

There!

Now its your turn to use  "vrifiable maths" to prove the sun is 93 million light years away or whatever

You cannot show the distance of your gas filled sun

[oddsnsods]

2 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

Low res GIFs (yet again)

Not zoomed in (yet again) 

 

Top gif shows the sun never changes size.

The other shows lens flare

 

In other words, they dont prove shit & are spam.

[zArk]

45 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

Verifyable maths.. 

 

 

fair enough..  i dunno. i dont even know if the sun is at the same height /altitude all the time or even within our closed dome system.

it could be refracted through a dome which would place the original source in a completely idfferent position

 

the moon , again , i dunno. really. havent a scooby

Edited August 28, 2021 by zArk

[zArk]

2 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

I have put together a clear experiment of my ceiling lights, for @zArk showing how a 2d disc moon perspective would look like.

 

https://streamable.com/a3quar

 

 

brilliant ... you couldnt be bothered to stick a picture on the ceiling...

 

i dont know if the moon is actually within our dome , but probably venture that its on the other side refracting through

 

 

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9 minutes ago, zArk said:

could be refracted through a dome

 

2 minutes ago, zArk said:

its on the other side refracting through

 

So refracting / refraction is a thing then ? 

 

 

[zArk]

18 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

 

So refracting / refraction is a thing then ? 

 

 

well , i also read soemthing saying that radiation emitted from under the earth is reflected back by the dome and the converging rays create the Sun

 

but anything on the other side of the dome will have its image refracted

[oddsnsods]

20 minutes ago, zArk said:

brilliant ... you couldnt be bothered to stick a picture on the ceiling...

 

i dont know if the moon is actually within our dome , but probably venture that its on the other side refracting through

 

 

 

Why would I need to stick a disc shaped picture on ceiling, when I have a disc shaped base of the light?

 

No evidence of any dome or seal...tons of evidence against tho, like the skynet satellites recently launched. But then you will deny they exist..its all weather balloons, that go round & round the dome.

 

Remember you claimed they were all a light show before.

 

 

[oddsnsods]

This fully puts this nonsense to sleep the 2d moon:

 

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The Moon is simultaneously visible from two different continents as depicted below.  Let's assume that the Moon all over the Earth is waning and showing a half face to people in Southern Africa. Now at the same time, in the sky the people in South America are seeing the OPPOSITE!

 

In addition to this, the flat earthers claim that the reason the Moon is upside down in Australia is some crap about viewing a picture on the ceiling from opposite sides of the room. Both these two position are in the Southern hemisphere, so quite clearly this disproves that bullshit.

 

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

Moving along slightly, here's something to ponder over...

 

IF the earth is a flat plane and not a globe, then what are the sun and the moon?

 

What is their purpose, and why do they do what is shown in flat earth 'explanations'? Ie, why and how do they circle above the flat plane?

 

Also, this brings into question 'how do seasons work?' on the flat earth model. As well as the variance in the daytime length. I did see some 'explanation' that the circular motion of the sun 'expands and contracts', and while this sort of explains why there are more hours of daylight during summer in the northern hemisphere, it doesn't (in my mind anyway) explain why the same occurs in the southern hemisphere summer.

[Origin]

Greetings..

 

 

 

Here is something for both world views. What the viewer has to do is concentrate on the so-called horizon and on the position of the stars. Once the northern hemisphere and twice the southern. The ones in the southern hemisphere are particularly interesting. I don't want to imply anything or take a position here, but I think that such videos should be studied very carefully.

 

North

 

 

South

 

 

 

[zArk]

 

1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

What is their purpose, and why do they do what is shown in flat earth 'explanations'? Ie, why and how do they circle above the flat plane?

 

well its definately an intelligent design model. Theres definately a creator or creators of this existence and definately a sense that this existence is almost as physically a prison as our bodies can be conceptualised as.

 

Truman show played upon the dome and the creator and the created in a playful fantasy rendition of flat earth

 

i find the stars fascinating as we get better live images of these objects.

 

Edited August 28, 2021 by zArk

[zArk]

i also like how both sides are flipflopping from WYSIWYG to 'its all very complicated requiring special understanding of light'

[Grumpy Owl]

10 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

 

well its definately an intelligent design model. Theres definately a creator or creators of this existence and definately a sense that this existence is almost as physically a prison as our bodies can be conceptualised as.

 

Truman show played upon the dome and the creator and the created in a playful fantasy rendition of flat earth

 

i find the stars fascinating as we get better live images of these objects.

 

 

Well, thats all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question of "what is the sun" and why does it behave the way that flat earthers claim it does?

 

 

[zArk]

31 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Well, thats all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question of "what is the sun" and why does it behave the way that flat earthers claim it does?

 

 

 

To be fair you are asking

" What's the meaning of life?"

 

But heliocentrism has effectively removed the splendor of life, reducing the awe of creation to a mechanically interlocked motion. 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

9 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

To be fair you are asking

" What's the meaning of life?"

 

But heliocentrism has effectively removed the splendor of life, reducing the awe of creation to a mechanically interlocked motion. 

 

 

But that doesn't answer the question though?

 

As I understand things, in this 'heliocentric model', the Sun is a huge ball of electromagnetic plasma, that has various bodies, including the Earth, rotating around it, all influenced and affected by its electromagnetic properties.

 

The flat earth 'model' states that the Sun is 'something' that moves about in a circular motion above the flat earth plane, so what is the sun and why does it do this, and how?

[oddsnsods]

54 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

 

well its definately an intelligent design model. Theres definately a creator or creators of this existence and definately a sense that this existence is almost as physically a prison as our bodies can be conceptualised as.

 

Truman show played upon the dome and the creator and the created in a playful fantasy rendition of flat earth

 

i find the stars fascinating as we get better live images of these objects.

 

 

Basic astronomy will tell you this is complete nonsense & why any amateur astronomer would laugh.

But we been here before, is just same shit repeated.

 

Please explain the Starlink lights in the sky in a rational as possible down to earth position if you can. lol

[Guest m754]

As I stepped away from discussing earth in fixed physical shapes of flat or ball, I realised once more--

 

We understand so little about the sun and the moon and stars.. Why is there even a satellite moon? What is the distance of the sun, moon?

 

.. it is like we are like within the movie—'Honey I shrunk the kids'.

We are looking at things for which we have lost the vision and perspective.

 

Sun moon stars--were they 'objects' in 'God body' as symbols or icons of primordial power of elements and forces? Planetary gods?

 Then as we descend into fake realities and cheap copies of that true reality, these become weaker and weaker and we see only shadows of them. Because we have been relegated to tiny ego identifications within the 'universe' or creation.. and so our perspective shrinks as well.

 

This is a closed bubble. How far something outside is---depends on how 'low' we are in evolution—like seeing a street lamp if you are in an ant colony..

In current version, so many miles away from our perception...

In our original form, it is us..

and when we lived as giants on a true earth realm, these were super powerful bodies that were much closer, maybe?

 

The appearance of these cosmic 'objects' and their distance relative to us depends on our own evolution.

Do we even know the meaning of sun rises, sun setting, moon rises, sets..—what happens at the 'horizon' at those moments? What happens when we go to sleep? Is it merely a mechanical process? Waking and sleeping? How does Gods' creation come alive and then sleeps?

 

So.. It is easier to explain by saying that a spinning ball faces one way and then the other. For days. Then revolves this way or other for seasons.

So much simpler and so God-less and mundane. But of course, all very scientific.

 

 Instead of seeing the true magic of a cyclic creation of reality that emerges everyday for you.

Almost like the movie 'Dark City'. Almost..

 

Right now we are like characters in the movie 'Honey I shrunk the kids' and we are not in possession of the correct perspective to understand what is happening.

 

To understand how moon, sun, stars work relative to earth, one must understand the nature of these planetary objects. These are not static, physical, always the same, objects. They evolve with us. Rather how they appear reflects our own state of evolution. 

 

As David Icke said in one interview when asked what’s there is higher dimensions-He said 'it is like a soft glow, a soft light feeling, not the strong sun we feel...'

 

Likewise as we are de-evolving further into hellish realms, the appearance of these objects will change —like a dilution of the original potency of the object.

If we believe what David Icke and others say about other dimensions experiencing matter forms, energy from cosmic bodies in a different way, then that means our own evolution or de-evolution affects what we see.

The moon is the ego reflection of mind—that projects this reality. Were we the giants we were we could have created our reality through these energy nodes directly, by direct connection—but now reduced to artificial mind manipulation through media. The moon is the primordial form of water element, like plasma..

The sun is the primordial form of fire element, the activator of reaction of matter elements—

-- and the moon element the ego that projects the drama on the screen.

The interaction of the two creates a EM force field that appears as movement around the earth in its true form. That causes and defines the boundaries of the realm and this activity sustains life.

 

In our current reality we have a certain seasonal pattern of weather cycles, and even that is changing, but In another reality we may have eternal winters or one day winters, or 1 month spring and so on...or erratic like these days on the earth we experience. Because it depends on the intelligence in the elemental form of matter constituting that reality and whether it is weakening in potency due to being disturbed and being replaced by artificial copies. 

It is sad that people are so happy about Elon Musk's starlink satellites. They think that it is for their benefit. What were the pyramids used for? What were the giant temples and masonic structures and palaces were used for by the elite down the ages while the slaves lived in dismal conditions? What are they tapping into now that the energy source is becoming weaker? Why they need new ways to access elemental power and it is directed at what? Is it that they need a booster device? Or 'harvesting' something directly?

 

Over the hundreds of years when the nature of man has changed in elemental form—to trans-human--the planets we see will have changed as well in appearance and perception—and then will be like 'dead rocks' even if we reach them-..maybe for mining something or for another useless science project.

 

Otherwise the only way to cross beyond our barrier to real space and see what is truly there one needs to leave the physical senses behind or 'die' to this reality—like in the movie 2001 space odyssey

[oddsnsods]

45 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Well, thats all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question of "what is the sun" and why does it behave the way that flat earthers claim it does?

 

 

 

You are asking how does the sun & moon sit there under the dome in a non vacuum, under their own weight & move?

 

 

 

 

[zArk]

9 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Basic astronomy will tell you this is complete nonsense & why any amateur astronomer would laugh.

But we been here before, is just same shit repeated.

 

Please explain the Starlink lights in the sky in a rational as possible down to earth position if you can. lol

oh come on , a natural phenomenon being hijacked by clever architects is not a difficult puzzle to unravel

 

this is how they operate.

 

weve all heard how the Wizard would forsee a great dragon in the sky or how the Sage would warn the people the Sun shall die because of the peoples actions and they should do as he says

 

now its soo technocratic ... Elon Musk purchases the right the claim the 'starlink' phenomenon as his own.

These people are ego maniacs

 

 

Edited August 28, 2021 by zArk