The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

stick a picture on your ceiling in the middle.

stand at one end of the room.. look at picture

stand at other end.. look at picture

stand at the 3rd side .. .. look at picture

A fixed object in a room is not the same as an orbital moving object far away, but l get what you're trying to get at..
lt's simply not the same scenario.

 

 

1 hour ago, zArk said:

stars are same but a much bigger room with the stars upon it.

depending where you stand you can only see a specific portion of the ceiling

the further ends ceiling squishes into a vanishing point

closer is nicely spaced out

No.
lt's not the same.
The stars are moving in the opposite direction in the Southern and Northern Hemispheres.
ln the Northern Hemisphere, when you look up the stars appear to be moving clockwise.
In the Southern Hemisphere, when you look up the stars appear to be moving anti-clockwise
How is the different direction explained in FE ? 

 

[oddsnsods]

16 hours ago, cuboftruth said:

 

Made it through page 8. 

 

Is there a mainstream narrative that deals with that kind of symmetry... that came from an explosion?

 

I doubt it, its almost to perfect to believe..more like a machine to me working like clockwork. Why astrologist take it so seriously I guess.

[zArk]

@Basket Case the first point i would make is if you wish to think through a flat earth the horizon is a vanishing point and stars apparently rising up or apparently going down on the horizon are actually always above us.

the second point i would say is that the 'southern hemisphere' for flat earth is closer to the side dome than the 'northern hemisphere', they are not equally close to the dome wall

when the Ozzie looks south, thats me England looking north however my perspective hides the Ozzie viewable sky. check out a FE map. i look north, Ozzie looking south. We are both looking in the same direction.

so as i look north the stars move counter clockwise to me, ozzie looking south sees the stars move left to right but when ozzie looks north towards me the stars move right to left

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, zArk said:

stars apparently rising up or apparently going down on the horizon are actually always above us.

l do not comprehend this at all. 
 

35 minutes ago, zArk said:

when the Ozzie looks south, thats me England looking north however my perspective hides the Ozzie viewable sky.

Nor this.

 

 

35 minutes ago, zArk said:

i look north, Ozzie looking south. We are both looking in the same direction.

This neither.

 

 

36 minutes ago, zArk said:

so as i look north the stars move counter clockwise to me, ozzie looking south sees the stars move left to right but when ozzie looks north towards me the stars move right to left

No.
This isnt about left / right looking this way or that way.
Different hemispheres - look straight UP and you'll see different rotations.

l've read you're post more than 10 times and really tried to follow your explanation.
lt does not make any sense to me at all.


Ozzy and UK moons are upside down from each other...
On a FE - if you were in a fast plane 'chasing the moon' - at which point does it flip over ?
BC

[zArk]

@Basket Case you wanted an FE explanation and that explanation necessarily includes the dome and the FE positioning of countries to each other

 

it is quite a simple explanation.

4 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

This isnt about left / right looking this way or that way.
Different hemispheres - look straight UP and you'll see different rotations.

 

and where the fella is standing looking up will determine how it looks.

 

because you are thinking through the helio model i guess.

 

 

 

[zArk]

24 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

Ozzy and UK moons are upside down from each other...

yes, quite normal in both models.

 

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1 minute ago, zArk said:

yes, quite normal in both models.

 

So how does that work on a flat plane....?
Where / when does it change / flip over ?
 

[zArk]

17 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

So how does that work on a flat plane....?
Where / when does it change / flip over ?
 

it doesnt. the moon travels in a flat orbital motion upon the tropics

the moon is flat and its face is viewable from the land

 

Jerafs posted video highlights helio model infecting flat earth models. the moon isnt a sphere or vertical in position.

 

 

the moon is facing down

 

 

as it moves through its path, its 12pm is always north and 6pm is always south/

south africa sees 6pm as 12pm and 12pm as 6pm

england sees 12pm as 12pm

Edited August 27, 2021 by zArk

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

28 minutes ago, zArk said:

yes, quite normal in both models.

 

 

25 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

So how does that work on a flat plane....?
Where / when does it change / flip over ?
 

lf you travel quickly from the UK to Ozz at night - where / when does the UK  moon change to Ozzy  upside down ?

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

@zArk 
Thank you for trying.
l'm seeing English words and sentences but l cannot string anything out of them that l could possibly even try to respond to.
l'm reading and re-reading but l truly have no idea where to start.
Your statements are beyond my comprehension.

Perhaps someone else could put it in a different way...?

Can anyone who leans toward a FE model explain to me why the moon is upside down in the Southern Hemisphere compared to the Northern Hemisphere ? 
(And while we're at it - why do star fields rotate in opposite directions in Northern / Southern hemispheres ?) 
 

[oddsnsods]

Ask him about magnetism & poles next they love that one.

 

[Guest m754]

4 hours ago, Basket Case said:

@zArk 
Thank you for trying.
l'm seeing English words and sentences but l cannot string anything out of them that l could possibly even try to respond to.
l'm reading and re-reading but l truly have no idea where to start.
Your statements are beyond my comprehension.

Perhaps someone else could put it in a different way...?

Can anyone who leans toward a FE model explain to me why the moon is upside down in the Southern Hemisphere compared to the Northern Hemisphere ? 
(And while we're at it - why do star fields rotate in opposite directions in Northern / Southern hemispheres ?) 
 

 

Understanding the movement of moon and stars from the FE map viewpoint is relatively new for me but I think I understood what zark said.

--FE earth has the North at the central point.

--All around the border/dome/ barrier is the south.

--The moon moves along one line the Tropic around this earth.

--At all times, moon's orientation is the same. The upper half let us say is 12 noon and the bottom half is say 6 PM. At all times, 12 noon faces the North point and 6 PM faces the south circumference or border line.

--The places above this tropic line (along which the moon is moving) are in Northern Hemisphere and the ones below this tropic are in Southern Hemisphere.

--In the northern hemisphere a person looking up at the moon will see the 12 noon upper half of the moon face above/first and then the bottom half below. So the circle image formed in the mind of the UK person will be that the moon face has 12 noon half and below 6 pm half.

--An Ozzie below the Tropic looking up at moon will see the 6 PM half first. So in the image he forms, the 6 PM half is the upper part of the moon face (because it appears first in field of vision) and then accordingly what he sees below the 12 Noon half must be the bottom half of the image. This is the flip image of what the UK person saw.

 

 

Similarly with stars, imagine the cluster of stars moving along let us say a circle X drawn on FE map, that would let us say pass through Australia on FE map.

 

For simplicity sake let us name few stars as A, B, C, D, E moving around this circle  X counter clockwise as the person in UK sees it. The UK person looks up and first star A goes by from right to left, then B and so on. 

 

A person in Australia, standing above the line X towards UK direction but himself facing away from UK and facing towards the Southern circumference, will also see stars A, B, C, etc come from his right side and go to the left.

But if the person were to stand below Line X further from UK, ie. away from UK direction and towards the Southern border dome, but now facing towards UK and away from South, that is, facing towards Line X, he will see stars A, B etc come from his left side and go to the right.

 

So the perspective would be that the stars are moving in opposite direction.

[oddsnsods]

[zArk]

 

 

11 hours ago, Basket Case said:

@zArk 
Thank you for trying.
 

 

i havent tried. i have told you its perspective, viewable sky and positioning on land that affects which portion of the stars are seen.

 

i have just shown you a map and its blatantly obvious why the moon appears one way up to the southern lot and the other way to the northern lot.

 

maybe i should ask

 

"Can any spherehead explain where the curve disappears to when people try to find it?"

Is it a sneaky curve like a blind spot? Do you have to turn fast like Dirk Gently finding Asgard?"

 

Has anyone ever found the curve ??

 

Edited August 28, 2021 by zArk

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

i havent tried. i have told you its perspective, viewable sky and positioning on land that affects which portion of the stars are seen.

 

I asked a couple of questions. 

You came forward with an explanation. 

Your explanation didn't help me. 

You didn't succeed in helping me comprehend the Moon / Stars idea from an FE perspective so in my mind you tried. 

And I thanked you for posting. 

BC 

[zArk]

5 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

I asked a couple of questions. 

You came forward with an explanation. 

Your explanation didn't help me. 

You didn't succeed in helping me comprehend the Moon / Stars idea from an FE perspective so in my mind you tried. 

And I thanked you for posting. 

BC 

yup and i am asking those stalwarts of the heliocentric model where the curve is.

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8 hours ago, m754 said:

--FE earth has the North at the central point.

--All around the border/dome/ barrier is the south.

--The moon moves along one line the Tropic around this earth

 

This I get (though don't agree with) 

 

The rest of your post is incompressible to me. 

But thanks. 

BC 

 

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

I'll try a different and more simple question. 

 

When I sit somewhere high and I watch the Sun set, I see it literally disappear down under the horizon. 

I comprehend the World rolling / spinning away from the Sun. 

 

On an FE model - why am I seeing this when in an FE model the Sun is always above us..?

 

Anyone ? 

 

[cuboftruth]

Hi, sorry to jump in on the moon thing, but this works in both spinning-water-rock world and also on a fixed plane.

 

BC, you can prove to yourself what zark and m explained. Print out an actual picture of the moon and tape it to the center of a ceiling. Stand with your back against any wall and take a picture  of it and then walk to the opposite side of the room and do the same thing.

 

Compare the pictures that you just took.

 

And still not quite caught up, so sorry if I missed anything or if this was posted.

[Guest m754]

1 hour ago, cuboftruth said:

Hi, sorry to jump in on the moon thing, but this works in both spinning-water-rock world and also on a fixed plane.

 

BC, you can prove to yourself what zark and m explained. Print out an actual picture of the moon and tape it to the center of a ceiling. Stand with your back against any wall and take a picture  of it and then walk to the opposite side of the room and do the same thing.

 

Compare the pictures that you just took.

 

And still not quite caught up, so sorry if I missed anything or if this was posted.

 

I agree. Zark clearly proved how flip image is possible on FE map. .. from the viewpoint of explaining how things are possible in FE model, he has clearly done a very convincing job. I only needed some pen and paper to understand what he was saying. It is strange why BC finds in incomprehensible.

Edited August 28, 2021 by m754

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11 minutes ago, m754 said:

It is strange why BC finds in incomprehensible.

 

Because I'm trying to see the complete and bigger picture. 

 

The Moon doesn't sit on my room's ceiling. 

In that context the Moon is outside my room and circling it at a great distance. 

Even on an FE model it's moving / circling at a great distance....no ? 

 

I'm also trying to fit this in with the Moon rising up from underneath the horizon and setting down under the horizon again. 

BC 

[oddsnsods]

What Zark is saying is the moon is flat 2d & above our heads rather than in the distance.

 

The perspective you describe viewing the moon would not be round but like a disc & you would never see any moon phases or lunar eclipse.

 

What gets me is how you all agree with this, like theres no debate amongst you people. No matter how ridiculous the theory.

 

You can zoom in on the moon with a camera or telescope & clearly see the terrain & shadows.

 

So when the creator decided to put this 2d flat disc in the ceiling, that looks precisely like a sphere & the sun clearly shines on like a sphere. What was the purpose of this lunacy? Answers on a post card @zArk

 

@zArk I clearly demonstrated evidence of the curve a few pages back with the drone footage & the fact the suns diameter never changes when it falls below the horizon. There is no vanishing point or difference of perspective.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

What Zark is saying is the moon is flat 2d & above our heads rather than in the distance.

 

@zArk

@cuboftruth 

@Jikwan 

 

So how high is the Moon from the surface of our environment ? 

[oddsnsods]

 

 

[cuboftruth]

2 hours ago, Basket Case said:

I'll try a different and more simple question. 

 

When I sit somewhere high and I watch the Sun set, I see it literally disappear down under the horizon. 

I comprehend the World rolling / spinning away from the Sun. 

 

On an FE model - why am I seeing this when in an FE model the Sun is always above us..?

 

Anyone ? 

 

You need to view this on very clear days. The idea that the sun sets because we are falling backwards on a sphere should be long gone.

 

 

If you can get past the algorithms, you can find the above all over the place.