The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[Jeraf]

On 8/25/2021 at 6:16 AM, zArk said:

The sphere defenders haven't got an answer. They haven't got a measurable curve . They have maths and a blackboard but no real measurable repeatable evidence of a curve.

 

Sure they have. You just deny it with the most ludicrous of all reasoning. Hundreds and thousands of people are all faking space travel. When you take into account all the companies who build satellites, that amounts to millions.

 

Do you ever watch videos debunking flat earth, or are you afraid to be wrong? This thread is absurd, it seems that a few people who have "done some laser stuff" "made some observations" cancels out centuries of science, labelling every physicist, cosmologist, astronomer, radio enthusiasts who bounce things off the Moon - all liars or stupid? Really?

 

We have Bflat posting as @cuboftruth if you are interested, suggesting that density is the reason for gravity with no explanation for weight or direction of fall.

 

We have all of you including @Jikwanposting about no curvature etc. ignoring refraction as though it is some dumb explanation, yet there are seriously in depth papers and explanations on how it works. Go and read these, at least make an effort to disprove your claims - that's what science does, why don't flat earthers?

 

Mirages and other atomospheric optic phenomena (gsu.edu)

Advanced Earth Curvature Calculator (bislins.ch)

 

What was that earlier from Jikwan? Where's the evidence for comets and meteorites?

 

meteorite craters - Google Search

 

This video, so simple. It shows quite clearly that viewed from two different points on Earth, the surface of the Moon MUST be different.

 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Jeraf
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[Jeraf]

Someone responding to a flat earther:

 

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Amazing.The Earth is flat after all

 

1. The vanishing point. If the Earth really is flat, the vanishing point of the observer's point of view is at the observer's eye height above the ground. If the observer is six feet tall, the vanishing point is six feet above ground level. If the observer is on top of a 10,000 foot mountain, the vanishing point is 10,000 feet above ground level. The video shows the sun BELOW his vanishing point (6pm), something that he himself implies is impossible, then he ignores the fact that his diagram shows exactly that.

2. The apparent diameter of the Sun. If the Earth really is flat, and the sun really is 3,000 miles above the surface and travels parallel to the Earth's surface, then it would appear to get smaller as it got further away from the observer. The difference would be dramatic - at twice the distance, the Sun would be half the apparent size it is overhead. By the time the Sun reached the horizon, it would appear little more than a small spot of bright light.

3. Relative angular velocity of the Sun. The Sun tracks across the sky at a rate of 1° every 4 min (15°/hr). This is an undeniable, observable fact. Taking the starting point as the Sun overhead the observer, if the Sun was travelling at a constant speed on a flat Earth, it would appear to get slower and slower as it approached the horizon. The only way to reconcile this with the ob served facts is for the Sun to accelerate as it approaches the horizon.... and it would never get there because in order to do so, it speed would need to reach infinity.

[Jeraf]

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

 

Mathematics are the Kryptonite of conspiracy theories.

If the sun is 2500 miles above the earth's surface, then from 6000 miles away from the point directly beneath the sun it will appear at 22.62° above the horizon and be 6500 miles distant from the observer. So how big is the sun? The angular size of the sun varies between 0.545° and 0.5267°. Let's take the average of 0.53585° and round it to 0.536°. Now if we are at a position to observe the sun at the local zenith, directly under it, and we have the values of 0.536° for angular size and 2500 for distance, then we can determine that its actual size is 23.4 miles in diameter. But someone standing 6000 miles from the point directly under the sun should see the sun's angular size shrink to 0.206°, a 61% reduction. But, of course, everyone on earth sees the same angular size for the sun at the same time. (Sure, technically someone at the point closest to the sun sees it slightly larger than someone standing at the terminator, but the difference in distance is only about 0.004%.) For the observer 6500 miles from the sun to see it with an angular size of 0.536°, it would have to be 60.8 miles in diameter. The zetetic model just doesn't work.

Then there's the problem of the moon. Everyone on earth sees virtually the same face of the moon at the same time. Two people seeing the moon from opposite sides of the earth at the same time will only see a rotational difference of 1.9° between them. But for the moon to be closer to the earth's surface than 2500 miles, let's say 2490 miles, Then the difference in angle for two observers standing 6000 miles apart would be a whopping 67.5°! From the earth, we'd be able to see most of the moon's surface, rather than slightly over half of it. And the moon would still have the same problems as the sun in regard to angular size.

And there's still the problem of what compass heading people see the sun at from various locations, and the apparent motion of the stars from the southern hemisphere.

Sorry, but the zetetic cosmology is just a gnostic cult for people who can't do basic geometry, but want to think they're among the world's cleverest thinkers.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

13 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

and the apparent motion of the stars from the southern hemisphere

 

Having travelled to and stayed for 18 months in Australia, this is the issue that has never been explained to me to my satisfaction. 

BC 

[Jeraf]

1 minute ago, Basket Case said:

 

Having travelled to and stayed for 18 months in Australia, this is the issue that has never been explained to me to my satisfaction. 

BC 

 

The Moon is upside down there as well. The explanation for that is as daft as you can get and no explanation for the counter argument.

 

"We also see the Lunar phases inverted in the Southern hemisphere. This has an "explanation" that is also quite ridiculous. It goes something like this: place a picture of the Moon on the ceiling, look at it from opposite sides of the room. Voila. Sadly, that is just nonsense. Here's a good way to show why: Imagine you are on a track that goes around the Earth at the same speed as the Moon on the same path it follows(on the FE model). Always you view the Moon just rising. At what point does it suddenly flip over! Another thing about the phases shows the sheer impossibility of the FE model. The Sun and Moon doing these great circles and one catching up the other. That's how they "explain" the phase changes. However, this creates a nasty and unavoidable problem. The Moon is visible at any one time across several thousands of miles of night sky. With a fixed position of Sun and Moon at any given time and a simultaneous visibility as stated, the crescent area of the Moon illuminated by the Sun, visible at opposite ends of this wide section, would be significantly different to each other. Clearly they are not!"

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

2 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

The Moon is upside down there as well

 

Yep. 

As a youngster I was interested in the Stars and the night sky. I had a telescope given to me as a present. 

I was far far from an 'expert', but having a general knowledge of the Northern Night Sky I was amazed at how 'alien' the Night Sky in Australia seemed. 

Quite a spooky and surreal experience. 

BC 

[zArk]

36 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

Sure they have.

show me the real life experiment proving a curve exists

[zArk]

39 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

 

 

there was a 7 video response to 'professor dave'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jeraf]

1 minute ago, zArk said:

there was a 7 video response to 'professor dave'

 

 

That was not the video I posted. Please address it - how is the Moon viewable from points thousands of miles from each other yet they all see the same face. Draw me a diagram. Tell me also how far away the Moon is and we can do one together. Explain how the radio hams who bounce radios waves off the Moon (I saw this done a while back) are so mistaken.

 

Tell me also what curvature experiment you would be satisfied with and tell me at various altitudes, what curvature you would expect.

[zArk]

15 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

 

That was not the video I posted. Please address it - how is the Moon viewable from points thousands of miles from each other yet they all see the same face. Draw me a diagram. Tell me also how far away the Moon is and we can do one together. Explain how the radio hams who bounce radios waves off the Moon (I saw this done a while back) are so mistaken.

 

Tell me also what curvature experiment you would be satisfied with and tell me at various altitudes, what curvature you would expect.

oh right because professor daves strawman arguments of yesteryear are not being replicated in your posted video.

professor dave is a cheeseball who, typically, prefers to stroke himself off with his own crafted arguments

 

just post an experiment proving your fantasy curvature so we can get on with the thread.......

Edited August 26, 2021 by zArk

[oddsnsods]

Fluid flat or sissy globe its your choice what kind of world you wish to live in.

 

I think it should be a hate crime to criticise flat earthers.

 

People are just ignorant who bring up irrefutable facts, doesnt make it true.

 

FlatLivesMatter.

 

 

[Jikwan]

30 minutes ago, zArk said:

oh right because professor daves strawman arguments of yesteryear are not being replicated in your posted video.

professor dave is a cheeseball who, typically, prefers to stroke himself off with his own crafted arguments

 

just post an experiment proving your fantasy curvature so we can get on with the thread.......

I hereby declare this as the davidickeforum post of the month!

[Jikwan]

3 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Fluid flat or sissy globe its your choice what kind of world you wish to live in.

 

I think it should be a hate crime to criticise flat earthers.

 

People are just ignorant who bring up irrefutable facts, doesnt make it true.

 

FlatLivesMatter.

 

 

There, that proves it.... i always knew you were one of us.

 

[oddsnsods]

@zArk You keep using that daft map where Australia is wider than North America.

 

Edited August 26, 2021 by oddsnsods

[zArk]

22 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

@zArk You keep using that daft map where Australia is wider than North America.

 

Heh, surely you mean South China is wider than East China

[oddsnsods]

Just now, zArk said:

Heh, surely you mean South China is wider than East China

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

1 minute ago, oddsnsods said:

 

 

Dinosaurs didn't exist. 

Dinosaurs are the original conspiracy.. 

[bamboozooka]

well if we are going on size of countries

 

[oddsnsods]

Just now, Basket Case said:

 

Dinosaurs didn't exist. 

Dinosaurs are the original conspiracy.. 

 

Dinosaurs couldnt have existed under the weight of our current gravity..so the earth was much greater, with man living hundreds of years. Twin Suns..bathed in plasma. Giant trees...Avalon kind of shit, till the miners invaded.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

5 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

till the miners invaded

 

Fucking Gold Diggers..   

 

[oddsnsods]

16 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

Fucking Gold Diggers..   

 

 

The book tells me..you are lost. Seek the m4.

 

 

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

Can anyone who leans toward a FE model explain to me why the moon is upside down in the Southern Hemisphere compared to the Northern Hemisphere ? 
(And while we're at it - why do star fields rotate in opposite directions in Northern / Southern hemispheres ?)

[cuboftruth]

On 8/20/2021 at 8:49 AM, oddsnsods said:

One point he made that was puzzling to me & I think he was onto something. Doesnt prove a flat earth tho.

 

 

Made it through page 8. 

 

Is there a mainstream narrative that deals with that kind of symmetry... that came from an explosion?

[BlueSky]

8 hours ago, Basket Case said:

Can anyone who leans toward a FE model explain to me why the moon is upside down in the Southern Hemisphere compared to the Northern Hemisphere ? 
(And while we're at it - why do star fields rotate in opposite directions in Northern / Southern hemispheres ?)

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

3 hours ago, BlueSky said:

 

 

This does not answer my question in the slightest. 

BC