peter Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jikwan said: What i think it means is this If you say that the space that we can see or imagine is in a state of vaccuum...... Then the FE position is if it is a vaccuum how is it possible for a vast amount of gasses/air can exist side by side with it? It cant....it needs a barrier Just like if you had a sealed container having a very strong vaccuum pressure. If the container would be peirced the air would rush in. Thats my understanding of the message Maybe its the wrong understanding i dont care too much to spend time defending it. This is my own view of it: Show me a person that has actually gone to this "outer space" and has brought back credible test results, measurements, weights visual proof of it No one has done that yet Dont tell me all this NASA CGI moonlanding/spacestation trips collecting evidence is the truth Nobody knows what space is...or if there atually is any space up there No one and no thing has been there Outside the dome it could be water This has already been explained by me and others, which your inquiring mind has obviously overlooked. Lets look at it from your perspective then, lets assume the earth is flat and there is a dome and no space or gravity 1 Why then do they only partially fill helium weather balloons to allow for expansion at lower air pressures at higher altitudes, they should be able to ascend right to the dome with no trouble, and why aren't there thousands of weather balloons sitting on the underneath of the dome like balloons on the ceiling at a kids birthday party. ( when I said vacuums don't suck, in the above statement is how they actually work but you will have to think instead of simply regurgitating ) 2 Aircraft generate lift by the pressure differential between the bottom and top of the wing, aircraft also have a max operating ceiling level where there is not enough air to maintain that differential and therefore lift or there is not enough oxygen for the engines to maintain combustion . In the flat earth criteria one would assume that the atmosphere would be constant at every altitude between the earth and the dome and therefore the max operating ceiling level of an aircraft would be negated. Expanding on this ,any aircraft from an ultralight to a jet fighter should theoretically be able to operate at any altitude up to said dome ,but be careful not to crash into it because it's invisible, however all the weather balloons will give a fairly accurate indication as to it's position Outside the dome it could be water, it could also be Jack Daniels or marshmallows Edited August 20, 2021 by peter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 8/18/2021 at 6:34 AM, cuboftruth said: Walney wind turbine farm about 30 miles Its 9 miles I checked plus 1 for the channel and 1 for the island and how high above sea level was he sitting Since Pythagorean Theorem is used for a perfect sphere which the earth is not ,it falls a bit short in my opinion but I can't say by how much . I also think you lifted this from a flat earth web site as the word ball is used in the heading and is a favorite of the FE side of the debate to subtly denigrate the other sides position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Avoiceinthecrowd said In a vacuum chamber you have a 1000 mph spinning ball covered in water and gaseous atmosphere and gravity holds all this stuff together. My world makes more sense. hahahaha (i said that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Flatearth posters can post what they like They dont have to explain anything Flatearth posters are not obliged to answer questions give proof evidence.....especially not to people whos only reason is to debunk using any means the flatearth theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I never ask globe affirmers to explain and prove their theories Whys that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory-peccary Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, peter said: Its 9 miles I checked plus 1 for the channel and 1 for the island and how high above sea level was he sitting Since Pythagorean Theorem is used for a perfect sphere which the earth is not ,it falls a bit short in my opinion but I can't say by how much . I also think you lifted this from a flat earth web site as the word ball is used in the heading and is a favorite of the FE side of the debate to subtly denigrate the other sides position The Coast bar is on the ground floor of the Claremont Hotel so I was sitting 30 to 40 feet above sea level. Don't know the exact height from sea level to Douglas Promenade, and then half a dozen steps from the pavement into the hotel. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.1508331,-4.4802022,17z should get you to Google Maps so you can use the street view feature. Oh, and well done on managing to find out where the nearest wind turbine is to Douglas! I trawled the interweb and Walney Island was the best I could find. We did pass by turbines in the sea as we cruised by on the Ben My Cree ferry from Douglas to Heysham. Anyway, apart from Ball Earth what other possible explanation could there be for me being able to watch the turbine blades rotate and the bottom third be hidden by the horizon? Edited August 20, 2021 by gregory-peccary added google maps reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Earth will turn out to be one that contains everything. And it will definitely turn out to be artificial and not natural. No matter where Humans think they are going, it will be within this Earth. Nasa has never been able to leave the holodeck. ISS is inside like everything else. Humans will never be able to comprehend this reality and determine where something begins or ends. There is no dome or space or water above. Earth is everything and only a tiny part of it can be perceived by humans. But perhaps it is better to believe than to see. This thing is worshipped by billions even though it demonstrates a fake reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Jikwan said: I never ask globe affirmers to explain and prove their theories Whys that? Possibly because they make more bloody sense 1 hour ago, Jikwan said: Flatearth posters can post what they like They dont have to explain anything Flatearth posters are not obliged to answer questions give proof evidence.....especially not to people whos only reason is to debunk using any means the flatearth theory You don't have to explain anything, what a cop out , using any means possible , it's unfortunate that logic just happens to fall into that catagory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 48 minutes ago, gregory-peccary said: Anyway, apart from Ball Earth what other possible explanation could there be for me being able to watch the turbine blades rotate and the bottom third be hidden by the horizon? I can't think of one to be honest ,but I'm sure someone will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Jikwan said: Avoiceinthecrowd said You have no idea how impressed I am,and by the way it must be brilliant to have a successful band named after you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) Look at this Earth spins because of the way it was formed. Our Solar System formed about 4.6 billion years ago when a huge cloud of gas and dust started to collapse under its own gravity. As the cloud collapsed, it started to spin. ... The Earth keeps on spinning because there are no forces acting to stop it. Since gravity pulls inward from all directions equally, the amorphous clump, if massive enough, will eventually become a round planet. Inertia then keeps that planet spinning on its axis unless something occurs to disturb it. "The Earth keeps spinning because it was born spinning," Luhman said.Aug 6, 2007 because it was born spinning! hahahahaha i can imagine they hired a few uni physics proffessors to sit round a coffeetable making this shit up then writing it into books 4.6 billion years ago! they just make these numbers up a star, 21 light years away......! how can they accurately measure that kind of distance? stop beleaving everything you are told by so called authority Edited August 20, 2021 by Jikwan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuboftruth Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 6 hours ago, gregory-peccary said: The Coast bar is on the ground floor of the Claremont Hotel so I was sitting 30 to 40 feet above sea level. Don't know the exact height from sea level to Douglas Promenade, and then half a dozen steps from the pavement into the hotel. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.1508331,-4.4802022,17z should get you to Google Maps so you can use the street view feature. Oh, and well done on managing to find out where the nearest wind turbine is to Douglas! I trawled the interweb and Walney Island was the best I could find. We did pass by turbines in the sea as we cruised by on the Ben My Cree ferry from Douglas to Heysham. Anyway, apart from Ball Earth what other possible explanation could there be for me being able to watch the turbine blades rotate and the bottom third be hidden by the horizon? Well, you went from 30 miles to only 9 rather quickly after you saw the math, but according to the internets... The world's largest offshore wind farm is now in operation off the Cumbrian coast at Walney, just 40 miles or so from the Isle of Man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuboftruth Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 12 hours ago, peter said: Its 9 miles I checked plus 1 for the channel and 1 for the island and how high above sea level was he sitting Since Pythagorean Theorem is used for a perfect sphere which the earth is not ,it falls a bit short in my opinion but I can't say by how much . I also think you lifted this from a flat earth web site as the word ball is used in the heading and is a favorite of the FE side of the debate to subtly denigrate the other sides position Above this response, it says that you quoted me, but I never wrote those words. Actually pretending in a quote box that a poster wrote something that he did not is pretty weak and tells us all we need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 bflat, the great FE researcher kept encouraging us to conduct experiments that prove zero curveture . You dont have to buy expensive zoom camera You can rent them cheap Digital Camera Nikon P900 Bridge 2000mm Daily £5.00/day 7 Days + £2.14/day 30 Days + £1.27/day Minimum rental period 2 days Description Film & Photography > Cameras Do please check out my weekly and monthly rental rates. Designed for comfortable use, this is an excellent condition, feature packed yet easy use Nikon Coolpix digital bridge camera with 83x optical zoom lens and excellent inbuilt stabilisation for long distance shots (see photo in the listing from a recent trip) Accessories included in package: extendable tripod, Nikon charger cable & plug, Nikon branded neck strap, lens cap, neoprene carry case. The camera takes excellent photos and full quality 1080p HD videos, to ensure you can take a decent amount of photos a large memory of 65gb Sandisk is also included in the package. If you’re a keen photographer of wildlife or the night sky, the 16-megapixel COOLPIX P900’s incredible 83x optical zoom lets you capture details not visible to the naked eye. Shoot instantly with rapid AF and a reduced shooting time lag, while 5.0-stop Dual Detect Optical VR enhances blur reduction. Enjoy flexible composition with the vari-angle monitor and built-in electronic viewfinder, for shooting detailed stills at super-telephoto. Photos can be shared via wifi. I am happy to discuss your potential use and provide tips/hacks, however I also recommend experimenting for a while with the camera to reach your own potential. I've included one photo of a Kookaburra I took whilst in Australia so show how close you can get. After each rental I have the camera cleaned fully and memory card securely wiped. It's also reset to factory settings and kept up to date with the latest firmware to ensure it's reliable and set up as expected. Location SO1 (Southampton) https://fatllama.com/rentals/southampton/hire-nikon-coolpix-p900-92448229 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, Jikwan said: stop beleaving everything you are told by so called authority 23 minutes ago, Jikwan said: bflat, the great FE researcher kept encouraging us to conduct experiments that prove zero curveture . Jikwan, I just pointed out how BFlat was so wrong about the seal & vacuum of space.. but then Bflat doesnt accept gravity exists either. Posters proved most of his theories wrong you posted above, can easily find on old thread you regurgitated. BFake like most of the cult isnt that interested in truth, once hes been shown the error of his ways,,5 minutes later he respams the same shit. One point he made that was puzzling to me & I think he was onto something. Doesnt prove a flat earth tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory-peccary Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Jikwan, the Claremont Hotel in Douglas is very nice. You don't have to book a room to use the Coast Bar, just go camping and then sit in the bar looking out to sea and on a nice clear day you will see the wind turbines with your own eyes. Take binoculars too, starting to wish I did. On your way out on the ferry take something you trust that measures distance so you can note where the nearest turbine to Douglas is. The distances I found were for Walney Island but that wind farm covers a massive area and no one will tell me exactly where the last turbine is! More precisely, the distances are to the NEAREST turbines to Walney Island = furthest from Douglas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory-peccary Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 oddsnsods, the path of the planets is correct. If you plot them out over the years it takes for them to complete their orbits as seen from earth then you really DO gets those patterns. It certainly is not proof of a flat earth. You could say those squiggly bits are due to the ball earth orbiting the sun. If you wanted to... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 8 hours ago, gregory-peccary said: The Coast bar is on the ground floor of the Claremont Hotel so I was sitting 30 to 40 feet above sea level. Don't know the exact height from sea level to Douglas Promenade, and then half a dozen steps from the pavement into the hotel. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.1508331,-4.4802022,17z should get you to Google Maps so you can use the street view feature. Oh, and well done on managing to find out where the nearest wind turbine is to Douglas! I trawled the interweb and Walney Island was the best I could find. We did pass by turbines in the sea as we cruised by on the Ben My Cree ferry from Douglas to Heysham. Anyway, apart from Ball Earth what other possible explanation could there be for me being able to watch the turbine blades rotate and the bottom third be hidden by the horizon? The bottom half of the blades weren't visible with your eyes because of the distance. The Nikon camera in the previous video of the boat & buoy showed this. From the beach nothing in the distance was visible, but once the camera zoomed in there they were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, gregory-peccary said: Jikwan, the Claremont Hotel in Douglas is very nice. You don't have to book a room to use the Coast Bar, just go camping and then sit in the bar looking out to sea and on a nice clear day you will see the wind turbines with your own eyes. Take binoculars too, starting to wish I did. On your way out on the ferry take something you trust that measures distance so you can note where the nearest turbine to Douglas is. The distances I found were for Walney Island but that wind farm covers a massive area and no one will tell me exactly where the last turbine is! More precisely, the distances are to the NEAREST turbines to Walney Island = furthest from Douglas. Hey greg so did your experience convince you of flatearth? Can you give us some numbers How far from the coast the turbine mast? And whatever it was im glad you going out testing this theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, oddsnsods said: Jikwan, I just pointed out how BFlat was so wrong about the seal & vacuum of space.. but then Bflat doesnt accept gravity exists either. Posters proved most of his theories wrong you posted above, can easily find on old thread you regurgitated. BFake like most of the cult isnt that interested in truth, once hes been shown the error of his ways,,5 minutes later he respams the same shit. One point he made that was puzzling to me & I think he was onto something. Doesnt prove a flat earth tho. Hey, flatearthers cannot take seriously the side by side of vaccuum and gasses because they believe in a dome. They dont know theres a vaccuum there or not I dont know enough about gravity to be able to discuss it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, cuboftruth said: Above this response, it says that you quoted me, but I never wrote those words. Actually pretending in a quote box that a poster wrote something that he did not is pretty weak and tells us all we need to know. I know that mr pecory said that, that was me being lazy and for that I apologize, the post was about the numbers used and the fact that the Fe side of the debate keep using Pythagorean Theorem to prove a point when it works on a perfect sphere which the earth is not. But you quoted my entire response so you must have realized that and to me that tells me all I need to know Edited August 20, 2021 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Jikwan said: Hey, flatearthers cannot take seriously the side by side of vaccuum and gasses because they believe in a dome. They dont know theres a vaccuum there or not I dont know enough about gravity to be able to discuss it If was a dome would be no lack of psi further you go up or change in atmospheric pressure, plus extremely large meteorites would have trouble getting through. The gravity idea of molecules falling back to earth is pretty full proof & explains how it works for me. Why atmospheric balloons can expand to the size of football pitches..Boyles law they call it. Under a dome this wouldn't happen..the atmosphere wouldnt diminish. It would be constant. As he explains in this video, when they balloon expands to much it explodes & then free falls in a semi vacuum. I mean I can figure this basic shit out, so why cant a legend like BFlat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikwan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: If was a dome would be no lack of psi further you go up or change in atmospheric pressure, plus extremely large meteorites would have trouble getting through. The gravity idea of molecules falling back to earth is pretty full proof & explains how it works for me. Why atmospheric balloons can expand to the size of football pitches..Boyles law they call it. Under a dome this wouldn't happen..the atmosphere wouldnt diminish. It would be constant. As he explains in this video, when they balloon expands to much it explodes & then free falls in a semi vacuum. I mean I can figure this basic shit out, so why cant a legend like BFlat. Bflat is not omnicient. Hes a giant compared to the usual researcher Theres too many fields you have to thoroughly grasp If he knows 90% thats good enough. Last time i looked there was still no recorded witnessing of incoming comets in all of recorded history. Not only the seeing of it.....must have some real special debri and not just a few shards Yes there was that pathetic siberian "comet" exploding in midair look very like a firey rocket detonated in mid air Comets do not exist Same as dinasaurs....another hoax. Not a single dinosaur bone exists Im a FE beginer. There aint too many FE heavyweights around these days Edited August 20, 2021 by Jikwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Jikwan said: Bflat is not omnicient. Hes a giant compared to the usual researcher Theres too many fields you have to thoroughly grasp If he knows 90% thats good enough. Last time i looked there was still no recorded witnessing of incoming comets in all of recorded history. Not only the seeing of it.....must have some real special debri and not just a few shards Yes there was that pathetic siberian "comet" exploding in midair look very like a firey rocket detonated in mid air Comets do not exist Same as dinasaurs....another hoax. Not a single dinosaur bone exists Im a FE beginer. There aint too many FE heavyweights around these days Funny coz I read in my Bibull they were the fallen angels from the great flood. So rather than talk about the atmosphere or watch the video I posted you go off on a Meteorites dont exist, they just made them up to cover up the Flerth! Comets dont exist, even tho there was one clearly visible during lockdown!! The Masons put it up there to make out comets exist, like they did Elons Satellites.!!! Backs out of thread slowly..... Edited August 20, 2021 by oddsnsods 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuboftruth Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, peter said: I know that mr pecory said that, that was me being lazy and for that I apologize, the post was about the numbers used and the fact that the Fe side of the debate keep using Pythagorean Theorem to prove a point when it works on a perfect sphere which the earth is not. But you quoted my entire response so you must have realized that and to me that tells me all I need to know You lazily quoted someone else and it just happened to come out coming from me? Seriously? And the flat earthers as you call them use their (the mainstream world's) globe math. Those who already know there is no sphere would never use spherical geometry, because they already know. That is the math that nasa uses, mit... all of 'em. That is simply the math that must be used when discussing where horizons must be on a sphere with any given radius. They claim sea level (that is actually curved, but we just can't see it) is exactly 3,959 miles from the center of our rock. While certainly there is minor differentiation on land, over water, this just cannot be. And that, time and time again, is what we are looking at in these examples. Now, if you want to say we are not on a globe and all the perfect circles that many believe are actual photos... the ones we see from nasa are total bullshit, then we agree for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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