The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[MrA]

9 minutes ago, bflat said:

@MrA

A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question....

... the red herring falls into a broad class of relevance fallacies....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

 

All your "concerns" can be easily understood with some very basic research, but again all this is simply distracting you from the five simple points.

 

Hit my points first and then anything you can't google for yourself I will help you with.

 

I am 

 

Point 1 Impossible Horizons 

 

Apparently the horizon is impossible and we can actually see things we shouldnt be able to on a round earth because its FLAT 

 

So how do you explain the fact that people living in the southern hemisphere cannot see Polaris ( the north star ) 

 

Are you now suggesting that the FE horizon is capable of obscuring a star ? 

 

Also regarding horizons , OP Point 1 , I was informed the Sun traverses the sky on a level plain above the Earth 

 

So why does it rise at different points on the Horizon depending on what time of year it is ? 

 

And it does do that BTW please lets not.pretend it doesnt 

[bflat]

3 minutes ago, MrA said:

Apparently the horizon is impossible and we can actually see things we shouldnt be able to on a round earth because its FLAT 

I think it would be more accurate to declare that these horizons prove we cannot live on a sphere, 25,000 miles in circumference.

 

Please research Polaris yourself. I believe this was handled prior in the thread by another very patient poster. And make sure not to assume you know things that you clearly do not. Hint: stop saying Polaris cannot be seen in what you call the southern hemisphere. It can be and these observations have been recorded several times. Freemasons explain this away with refraction... a term that most who use it do not understand.

[MrA]

No Polaris cannot be seen from the southern hemisphere

 

Around 10 degrees south of the Equator its just never in the night sky 

Edited May 31, 2020 by MrA

[MrA]

Also why does the sun rise and set at different points on the horizon during the year ? 

 

If its traversing on a flat plane ABOVE US how does it do that ? 

[bflat]

6 minutes ago, MrA said:

Polaris cannot be seen from the southern hemisphere

If conditions are just right, you can see Polaris from just south of the equator.

https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2018/12/polaris-from-the-southern-hemisphere

 

Please try and hit my points now and leave these red herrings behind.

 

[MrA]

6 minutes ago, bflat said:

If conditions are just right, you can see Polaris from just south of the equator.

https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2018/12/polaris-from-the-southern-hemisphere

 

Please try and hit my points now and leave these red herrings behind.

 

 

Yes see the words " just south " 

 

Past that " just south " or 10 degrees south of the equator Polaris is never in the night sky 

 

How does that work on a level plane ? 

 

Point 1. Impossible Horizons

[MrA]

14 minutes ago, MrA said:

Also why does the sun rise and set at different points on the horizon during the year ? 

 

If its traversing on a flat plane ABOVE US how does it do that ? 

 

Point 1 Impossible Horizons

[bflat]

21 minutes ago, MrA said:

 

Yes see the words " just south " 

 

Past that " just south " or 10 degrees south of the equator Polaris is never in the night sky 

 

How does that work on a level plane ? 

 

Point 1. Impossible Horizons

It says I'm blocked. Will try again if this posts.

[alexa]

28 minutes ago, MrA said:

Also why does the sun rise and set at different points on the horizon during the year ? 

The book of Enoch (The Gates of the Moon & Sun)

 

Chapter 73

3. I wrote down their months, as they occur, and the appearance of their light, until it is completed in fifteen days.

4. In each of its two seven portions it completes all its light at rising and at setting.

5. On stated months it changes its settings; and on stated months it makes its progress through each gate. In two gates the moon sets with the sun, viz. in those two gates which are in the midst, in the third and fourth gate. From the third gate it goes forth for seven days, and makes its circuit.

6. Again it returns to the gate whence the sun goes forth, and in that completes the whole of its light. Then it declines from the sun, and enters in eight days into the sixth gate, and returns in seven days to the third gate, from which the sun goes forth.

7. When the sun proceeds to the fourth gate, the moon goes forth for seven days, until it passes from the fifth gate.

8. Again it returns in seven days to the fourth gate, and completing all its light, declines, and passes on by the first gate in eight days;

9. And returns in seven days to the fourth gate, from which the sun goes forth.

10. Thus I beheld their stations, as according to the fixed order of the months the sun rises and sets.

11. At those times there is an excess of thirty days belonging to the sun in five years; all the days belonging to each year of the five years, when completed, amount to three hundred and sixty-four days; and to the sun and stars belong six days; six days in each of the five years; thus thirty days belong to them;

12. So that the moon has thirty days less than the sun and stars.

13. The moon brings on all the years exactly, that their stations may come neither too forwards nor too backwards a single day; but that the years may be changed with correct precision in three hundred and sixty-four days. In three years the days are one thousand and ninety-two; in five years they are one thousand eight hundred and twenty; and in eight years two thousand nine hundred and twelve days.

14. To the moon alone belong in three years one thousand and sixty-two days; in five years it has fifty days less than the sun, for an addition being made to the one thousand and sixty-two days, in five years there are one thousand seven hundred and seventy days; and the days of the moon in eight years are two thousand eight hundred and thirty-two days.

15. For its days in eight years are less than those of the sun by eighty days, which eighty days are its diminution in eight years.

16. The year then becomes truly complete according to the station of the moons, and the station of the sun; which rise in the different gates; which rise and set in them for thirty days.

[alexa]

5 hours ago, bflat said:

@Avoiceinthecrowdand @alexa

Thanks so much for keeping truth alive. Both of you deserve much credit... especially for your patience. I know it can be frustrating answering the same questions again and again... especially when you are forced into discussing pro wrestling like it is real.

 Nice to see you back bflat 

[alexa]

doubled up

Edited May 31, 2020 by alexa
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[alexa]

doubled up

Edited May 31, 2020 by alexa
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[bflat]

28 minutes ago, MrA said:

 

Yes see the words " just south " 

 

Past that " just south " or 10 degrees south of the equator Polaris is never in the night sky 

 

How does that work on a level plane ? 

 

Point 1. Impossible Horizons

You could figure this out yourself with research. This is some of THE MOST BASIC STUFF!

 

Think of looking down a street of lamp posts. Are you honestly prepared to sit there and tell me that the light posts in the distance are shorter than those right in front?

[bflat]

25 minutes ago, MrA said:

 

Point 1 Impossible Horizons

Yes! Do you get it now? Here is a simple calculator for you, but you really should be able to do this yourself:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

 

And don't forget that it always rises to eye level and remains flat.

Since none of us have ever for ourselves a horizon on a ball, check this open sourced 3d model of what we should see from a hot air balloon, yet never do:

See flat earth vs globe earth in the OP

 

As stated, the truth remains and has been staring us in the face for our entire lives.

[bflat]

7 minutes ago, alexa said:

 Nice to see you back bflat 

Thanks, but this is acting weird AF. Have you had trouble posting? I get messages saying I'm blocked.

[MrA]

11 minutes ago, bflat said:

You could figure this out yourself with research. This is some of THE MOST BASIC STUFF!

 

Think of looking down a street of lamp posts. Are you honestly prepared to sit there and tell me that the light posts in the distance are shorter than those right in front?

 

The north star changes position in the sky 

 

Its not on a level plane like the pier 

 

If I visit the pier everyday its in the same place 

 

If I go out at night to the pier and look for the north star it will have moved slightly every night 

 

Point 1 impossible horizons 

 

And if im far south of the equator it will never be in the night sky at all 

Edited May 31, 2020 by MrA

[peter]

Every time I try and post a scientific rebuttal I get blocked. So instead I will just ask you if the world is flat how many people have fallen off the edge to date.

Also how thick is it then, if you are alluding to the fact that the world is only 2 dimensional we don't exist in a 2 dimensional reality

Edited May 31, 2020 by peter

[MrA]

I have to be honest im interested in how to explain the relative movement of the stars on a flat plane Earth 

[MrA]

Just now, peter said:

Every time I try and post a scientific rebuttal I get blocked. So instead I will just ask you if the world is flat how many people have fallen off the edge to date

 

You cant theres a giant ice wall at the edge !! 

 

*edit* that almost felt fun to.type 

Edited May 31, 2020 by MrA

[alexa]

6 minutes ago, bflat said:

Thanks, but this is acting weird AF. Have you had trouble posting? I get messages saying I'm blocked.

 Yes, all the time especially if I post a pic or a vid, Every one is getting this trouble, SEE https://social.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5690-if-you-are-struggling-to-start-a-new-topic-temporary-solutions/

 

[bflat]

6 minutes ago, MrA said:

The north star changes position in the sky 

This lie is put forth by freemasons.

Not only has Polaris been in the same place since we looked at the sky, all the other stars form perfect circles over time. This in itself is impossible in spinning ball world.

Edited May 31, 2020 by bflat

[bflat]

4 minutes ago, peter said:

Every time I try and post a scientific rebuttal I get blocked. So instead I will just ask you if the world is flat how many people have fallen off the edge to date

I'm sorry to hear that, but based on the above post, I can hardly believe you have researched this in the least.

 

Be honest for a second. What is more likely? People would fall off of a flat, stationary plane

-or-

people would fall off a ball moving at a speed that is several times that of sound and in multiple different directions as it spins at over 1000 mph (faster than sound again)?

[MrA]

Why do the measurements of the Great Pyramid at Giza and also large Ziggurat like pyramids in south america support the math for a spherical Earth circumference ? 

 

Is it also possible to attribute the same math to the FE model ? 

 

Like this .... 

 

 

 

 

 

[peter]

If you look through a telescope ,eg 10 or 16 inch dobsonion without automatic tracking  how do you explain the target moving across and eventually out of the field of view if the earth is not rotating

[bflat]

5 minutes ago, MrA said:

Why do the measurements of the Great Pyramid at Giza and also large Ziggurat like pyramids in south america support the math for a spherical Earth circumference ? 

 

Is it also possible to attribute the same math to the FE model ? 

 

Like this .... 

 

 

 

 

 

You're back to this red herring stuff which is distracting you from the five points in the OP.

 

We have done the impossible horizons. I have showed you the calculations. If you still have not figured out that these horizons cannot be possible on a ball the size that modern astronomy claims, it is time to move on to points two through five.

 

2 minutes ago, peter said:

If you look through a telescope ,eg 10 or 16 inch dobsonion without automatic tracking  how do you explain the target moving across and eventually out of the field of view if the earth is not rotating

I answered your question and you did not answer to my response. Please focus on the five points in the OP if you really wish to explore this topic.

 

Thanks