The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[Nobby Noboddy]

1 minute ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Apollo 17 blue marble. Apollo 11 earth images.

 

It's a simple cross fade and it's something that whoever put it together wanted to do. Regardless of what they "should" do according to you or anyone...... the items on the edges show what they DID do. 

 

Hair gel not spray. Stops her hair dragging all over her face. In water it is even worse.

Post the pictures please. You will find them on the official site.

 

Oh, ok, it was on the whim of the editor, the maverick who did what they wanted and not what I or anyone else wanted them to do. You surely do live up to your moniker.

 

Hair gel! Where did you get that from? Why wouldn't she just tie it back? That's one of your more ridiculous answers. So do people use hair gel underwater?

 

 

 

[Comedy Time]

11 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Post the pictures please. You will find them on the official site.

 

Oh, ok, it was on the whim of the editor, the maverick who did what they wanted and not what I or anyone else wanted them to do. You surely do live up to your moniker.

 

Hair gel! Where did you get that from? Why wouldn't she just tie it back? That's one of your more ridiculous answers. So do people use hair gel underwater?

 

 

 

 

 

Find them yourself.

 

It was the film maker's call and irrelevant. You are doing some weird "if I ran the zoo" bollocks ....it is a proven cross fade. Nothing more to add. Nothing comedic about splicing two sections with a simple fade.

 

Hair gel. If she ties it up it still flops around and smacks her in the face! She's a woman ...she wears her hair as she wants....not how someone on a bloody internet forum thinks she should wear it. Ridiculous? Nope. Out of her face and reasonably presentable. 

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Comedy Time

[Nobby Noboddy]

What's wrong with this animation?

[Nobby Noboddy]

 

 

 

[peter]

2 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

 

 

 

easy ,the one that doesn't fizz and bubble in the bath

[Comedy Time]

7 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

What's wrong with this animation?

 

It hasn't been aligned perfectly. But you tell me, your "ahaa" moment is going to be stunning isn't it?

[Comedy Time]

6 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

 

 

 

 

Source of original image? This is called cherry picking whilst saying it looks like something - it implies that it is..... well....... just because

 

I won't supply images of copulating octogenarians to compare this image below.....

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Comedy Time

[Comedy Time]

9 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

 

Just about every picture I searched on the transmission lines was from a FE debunking source, odd that.

But anyway explain why these causeways are visibly flat please.

Oh no, you don't have to because I'm an idiot and can't see with my own eyes from your pictures.

 

 

 

Nobody said you were an idiot dude, lighten up. The aerial view won't show anything. Your ground view shows only a small section - you need to get a whole lot of it to show the curve. 

 

 

 

Go ask a flat earther to photograph the transmission lines!

[amy G]

11 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Lastly I don't have time yet to fully deconstruct the long ISS video but did you notice the ladies hair? Lots of hairspray.

Please agree that hair in zeroG behaves similarly to hair underwater, it is weightless and waves around freely. Her hair is almost completely stiff and stays in place with a little wobble here and there. Hairspray.

The women's hair in these obviously faked scenes are the tell. Hairspray, gel, oerms, super glue... it doesn't really matter. You can look at how long hair behaves in the so called zero-G environment (this is zero-G here) from clips on the parabolic flights.

 

10 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

Hair gel not spray. Stops her hair dragging all over her face.

Says the lifelong researcher of everything nasa.

 

10 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Hair gel! Where did you get that from? Why wouldn't she just tie it back? That's one of your more ridiculous answers.

Where do you even start to aquire that metric?

 

10 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

Hair gel. If she ties it up it still flops around and smacks her in the face! She's a woman ...she wears her hair as she wants....not how someone on a bloody internet forum thinks she should wear it.

Believe me, no women has wanted to wear their hair like that since the 70s. You are grasping at straws that are not even there. whn they started producing these things, it was decided that their hair needed that look as they felt this would offer 'space' authenticity for their gullible viewers. The problem they have now is that they have to continue with the charade.

[amy G]

11 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

Apollo 17 blue marble. Apollo 11 earth images.

Since you have claimed these are true pictures from space you need to provide the proof. The fact that you can't tells us all what we need to know.

 

It really doesn't take much more than a toilet seat to fool some people...

[amy G]

12 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Oh wait, there is far more for bflat to ignore.......

 

 

 

Nobody can honestly argue those pictures. But then again we aren't being treated to honest debate from the flat earth claimants are we!

 

That is ridiculous. The horizon is always at eye level and is observed at the vanishing point. I just posted several links for you on your personal lunacy thread and instead of you taking the time to read the links and actually learn something, you instead chose to post your typically dishonest halucinations which included that very dishonest meme.

 

It was at that point that you requested your thread closed. Such integrity!

 

There is more that is wrong with that picture than the meme even has time for. And the comedy never ends.

 

Please return to your private thread. Start on page 3 and go finally learn about perspective, vanishing points, convergence and then finally realize that "horizon" and "eye level" are synonymous.

 

Hint: do not bother posting any of you math with your made up numbers that have been debunked several times and stay locked on your own personal thread for all to see.

 

@Grumpy Owl

Can you please post this on the locked thread as it was after his clearly dishonest meme that you chose to lock it.

 

You know, for reference?

[Comedy Time]

46 minutes ago, amy G said:

The women's hair in these obviously faked scenes are the tell. Hairspray, gel, oerms, super glue... it doesn't really matter. You can look at how long hair behaves in the so called zero-G environment (this is zero-G here) from clips on the parabolic flights.

 

Says the lifelong researcher of everything nasa.

 

Where do you even start to aquire that metric?

 

Believe me, no women has wanted to wear their hair like that since the 70s. You are grasping at straws that are not even there. whn they started producing these things, it was decided that their hair needed that look as they felt this would offer 'space' authenticity for their gullible viewers. The problem they have now is that they have to continue with the charade.

 

 

OMG, he's a hair in weightless space expert now. The video posted and ignored shows 6 minutes of continuous weightlessness. As with Hollywood special effects they look like special effects and wires. On the ISS for six minutes they don't. Multiple rooms, enclosed spaces, multiple angles - anyone who thinks those are special effects is lying or trolling.

[Comedy Time]

45 minutes ago, amy G said:

Since you have claimed these are true pictures from space you need to provide the proof. The fact that you can't tells us all what we need to know.

 

Dude, this is not how it works and you must be aware of this by now.

 

The person making the idiotic claim is the one who needs to prove it. That would be you who claims the Earth is flat and every piece of space travel is faaaaaake. 

 

[Comedy Time]

1 hour ago, amy G said:

That is ridiculous. The horizon is always at eye level and is observed at the vanishing point. I just posted several links for you on your personal lunacy thread and instead of you taking the time to read the links and actually learn something, you instead chose to post your typically dishonest halucinations which included that very dishonest meme.

 

Listen to this bloke. He starts hyperventilating when presented with irrefutable proof of the curve. You posted loads of spam showing that you have no idea whatsoever about vanishing points. You totally ignored the post PROVING that the eye MUST look down at the horizon and by how much.

 

1 hour ago, amy G said:

It was at that point that you requested your thread closed. Such integrity!

 

My thread, I get the last word, not some internet spammer who refused to address the content of the damn thread!

 

1 hour ago, amy G said:

 

There is more that is wrong with that picture than the meme even has time for. And the comedy never ends.

 

 

Indeed, there is EVERYTHING wrong with your meme. It is NOTHING to do with perspective and everything to do with a curve. Perspective produces straight lines. Shit, you posted a silly drawing page that demonstrated this. Quite clearly you are rather selective with reality. I love the shitty quality of your "response image" compared to the real one.

 

 

Here's the "flat Earth" one from a sharper camera - definitely some looming going on , but look at the tops of the towers curving downwards.

 

 

1 hour ago, amy G said:

Please return to your private thread. Start on page 3 and go finally learn about perspective, vanishing points, convergence and then finally realize that "horizon" and "eye level" are synonymous.

 

It is not my private thread, it was there for the fence sitters because the flat earthers were ignoring every single thing and burying them.

There is not one single thing you have written, will write, could write that teaches me a damn thing. You know less than nothing. You have been given simple trigonometry that a schoolkid would understand and arm waved it away. You have given no reason for it apart from your bluster and hyperventilating - my profile banner is probably a good resemblance

 

1 hour ago, amy G said:

Hint: do not bother posting any of you math with your made up numbers that have been debunked several times and stay locked on your own personal thread for all to see.

 

My MATHS has been ignored totally by you, you refuse to offer any explanation for HOW any of your bullshit world could exist, because my MATHS would tear the arse out if it. You have not only debunked sweet FA, you totally ignored every single post. Surely a mathematician would be able to correct it and show why it is wrong. Surely.

 

1 hour ago, amy G said:

 

@Grumpy Owl

Can you please post this on the locked thread as it was after his clearly dishonest meme that you chose to lock it.

 

You know, for reference?

 

@Grumpy Owl If you do, please paste this reply in too. Many thanks.

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Comedy Time

[Comedy Time]

I must have missed your response to this below

 

Regarding the horizon always at eye-level. It certainly appears so on a sphere or the silly flat earth. Proved here and of course totally irrelevant, is what SHOULD happen....

 

Horizon reference : http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

Trigonometry reference: http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

 

You say the Earth is flat. Science and people with brains say it gently curves away. Whichever of the two the horizon will ALWAYS and must ALWAYS be below the level of the eye. This is basic, child's play trigonometry.

 

Example 1:

b = height of person and where their eyes are - I used 6ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 3 miles = 15840 ft.

Angle theta is 0.217 degree. THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Nobody has the capacity to discern a difference between that angle and level.

 

Now in your second example:

b = height of 1000 ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 38.7 miles = 204336 ft.

Angle theta is 0.28 degrees. Again THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Nobody has the capacity to discern a difference between that angle and level.

 

Let's go really high:

b = height of 100,000 ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 387.9 miles = 2048112 ft.

Angle theta is 2.8 degrees. THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Is it possible for somebody to know they are looking down at just under 3 degrees of arc? Doubtful but totally irrelevant anyway - that is exactly what should and does occur on both models!!

 

The claim thus proved as bollocks! It will stay proven even with noisy obfuscation and diversion.

 

[amy G]

  

11 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Angle theta is 0.217 degree. THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon.

Prove this! This is where you go wrong every time. This might not have been pointed out every time you have cut and pasted this from your script, but I have pointed out these same errors for many of your posts. You are no logician and I get that, but please at least have the integrity to learn something. Now, you either ignore or deny and make an insulting comment while throwing in many false accusations that no one cares or has the time to respond to, but you and your team.

 

The eye never has to look down to see the horizon and when it does it is a distorted horizon. Go educate yourself. You don't know everything. If all the academic links I posted on this subject were over your head, then see if you can understand it here.

Finding a horizon line and vanishing point in real life

To identify the horizon line in an actual scene, mark it with your eye level. Remember — your eye level and the horizon line are one and the same. Look straight ahead, and the horizon line is in front of you

https://www.dummies.com/art-center/performing-arts/drawing/drawing-geometric-perspective/

 

It is literally right in front of your eyes. I know in your mind you see this as a globe killer so you are not allowed to accept it for the basic truth that it is.

 

@Grumpy Owl

Could you add this as well as he keeps claiming his math with his imaginary numbers are not replied to?

 

 

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[Comedy Time]

1 minute ago, amy G said:

 Prove this! This is where you go wrong every time. 

 

The eye never has to look down to see the horizon and when it does it is a distorted horizon. Go educate yourself. You don't know everything. If all the academic links I posted on this subject were over your head, then see if you can understand it here.

Finding a horizon line and vanishing point in real life

To identify the horizon line in an actual scene, mark it with your eye level. Remember — your eye level and the horizon line are one and the same. Look straight ahead, and the horizon line is in front of you

https://www.dummies.com/art-center/performing-arts/drawing/drawing-geometric-perspective/

 

It is literally right in front of your eyes. I know in your mind you see this as a globe killer so you are not allowed to accept it for the basic truth that it is.

 

Are you actually insane or something. You just asked me to prove how I arrived at the angle formed from the eye at 6ft and the horizon 3 miles away. 

 

I used trigonometry - I gave you a link because you don't understand what that is. It isn't a globe killer since a) you are wrong and I proved it b) it is supposed to do exactly what it does do.

 

 

I dare you to answer this simple question. Or are you really that shit scared.

 

Is a man 6ft tall making a downward angle from his eyes to the (globe model 3 miles away) horizon, yes or no?

[amy G]

31 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Are you actually insane or something. You just asked me to prove how I arrived at the angle formed from the eye at 6ft and the horizon 3 miles away.

No I did not. I asked you toprove that the angle exists for the purpose of this discussion.

 

This was just posted for you...

The eye never has to look down to see the horizon and when it does it is a distorted horizon. Go educate yourself. You don't know everything. If all the academic links I posted on this subject were over your head, then see if you can understand it here.

Finding a horizon line and vanishing point in real life

To identify the horizon line in an actual scene, mark it with your eye level. Remember — your eye level and the horizon line are one and the same. Look straight ahead, and the horizon line is in front of you

https://www.dummies.com/art-center/performing-arts/drawing/drawing-geometric-perspective/

 

33 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

I used trigonometry - I gave you a link because you don't understand what that is. It isn't a globe killer since a) you are wrong and I proved it b) it is supposed to do exactly what it does do.

Trig won't help you here because from eye level to the horizon is a straight line, there is no angle at all. You see the ground below eye lel rise to where it meets the sky above eye level. This is very basic and confirmed by countless academic sources.

 

35 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

It isn't a globe killer since a) you are wrong and I proved it b) it is supposed to do exactly what it does do.

 

It is and this is why it is such a difficult time for you. You are off script making up numbers and it does not have to be like this. You proved nothing except for not being able to see very basic observable reality. The links have been provided for you. Keep arguing and growing more and more incensed with each post or finally go educate yourself. You keep missing what has been, quite literally, right in front of your eyes.

 

40 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

I dare you to answer this simple question. Or are you really that shit scared.

 

Is a man 6ft tall making a downward angle from his eyes to the (globe model 3 miles away) horizon, yes or no?

I have pointed out many times that in your world ia geometric horizon must be there and then have gone on to show horizons that are just inexplicable in your world. But as usual, this has nothing to do with the difficult problem you are facing so you throw this in in huge print as a distraction. You must know that this is another technique used by professionals who wish to stifle the free exchange of information?

 

I dare you to answer this simple question. Or are you really that shit scared.

 

If a man rides a hot air balloon 20 miles straight up from a sphere that has a radius of 3,959 miles, at what angle must he look down to view the horizon?

 

[Comedy Time]

Wow, those arms are waving all over the place and look he didn't answer the dead simple question!! A flat earth will have the same issues as a surface curving away - downward angle from eye level.

 

23 minutes ago, amy G said:

If a man rides a hot air balloon 20 miles straight up from a sphere that has a radius of 3,959 miles, at what angle must he look down to view the horizon?

 

You really are shit scared to answer aren't you? The horizon is as level with the eye as a human can detect and provably so....right up to a very high altitude.

 

You answer my question first - your question is dead easy to answer( I suggest you go back a few posts my third example is close to that height - duhhh).

 

Is a man 6ft tall making a downward angle from his eyes to the (globe model 3 miles away) horizon, yes or no?

 

Here is a clue.....

b = height of person and where their eyes are - I used 6ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 3 miles = 15840 ft.

Angle theta is 0.217 degree. THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Nobody has the capacity to discern a difference between that angle and level.

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Comedy Time

[amy G]

13 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

edit, not sure what happened

13 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Wow, those arms are waving all over the place and look he didn't answer the dead simple question!! A flat earth will have the same issues as a surface curving away - downward angle from eye level.

 

 

You really are shit scared to answer aren't you? The horizon is as level with the eye as a human can detect and provably so....right up to a very high altitude.

 

You answer my question first - your question is dead easy to answer( I suggest you go back a few posts my third example is close to that height - duhhh).

 

Is a man 6ft tall making a downward angle from his eyes to the (globe model 3 miles away) horizon, yes or no?

 

Here is a clue.....

b = height of person and where their eyes are - I used 6ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 3 miles = 15840 ft.

Angle theta is 0.217 degree. THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Nobody has the capacity to discern a difference between that angle and level.

 

I have no idea in your imaginary world that you continuously and fallaciously reify if perspective, vanishing points and convergence plays any role. In the real world it does. Your question was answered. I have pointed out many times that for a 6 foot person in your world that a geometric horizon must be there and then have gone on to show horizons that are just inexplicable in your world.

 

Again, whether you need to look down or not in this world, I'll let you decide.

 

If you do, which seems apparent, let's get back to the point. If a man rides a hot air balloon 20 miles straight up from a sphere that has a radius of 3,959 miles, at what angle must he look down to view the horizon?

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by amy G

[Comedy Time]

3 minutes ago, amy G said:

        let's get back to the point. 

 

 

Is a man 6ft tall making a downward angle from his eyes to the (globe model 3 miles away) horizon, yes or no?

 

The word yes, he is looking slightly down.....  or ..... no he is looking level.

Edited October 2, 2020 by Comedy Time

[amy G]

7 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Is a man 6ft tall making a downward angle from his eyes to the (globe model 3 miles away) horizon, yes or no?

 

The word yes, he is looking slightly down.....  or ..... no he is looking level.

You have not told me yet if perspective, vanishing points and convergence play a role in this imagined world. If in your world, the known rules of perspective that apply here do not apply there, then yes, of course he is looking down.

 

This is why I keep asking you if a man rides a hot air balloon 20 miles straight up from a sphere that has a radius of 3,959 miles, at what angle must he look down to view the horizon?

 

Calm down a little... everything is fine. I sure hope @peter gets back on here to explain his views on the moon. It is far more pleasant having an amicable discussion with someone as opposed to this. Whatever this is to you. Flip back a few pages and see.

Edited October 2, 2020 by amy G

[Comedy Time]

6 minutes ago, amy G said:

You have not told me yet if perspective, vanishing points and convergence play a role in this imagined world.

 

None of those alter his height above the surface. None of this is an imagined world. It is a world where the eyes MUST always be above the horizon looking down unless he has his head right on the ground at zero ft.

 

6 minutes ago, amy G said:

If in your world, the known rules of perspective that apply here do not apply there, then yes, of course he is looking down.

 

Emphasis mine.

 

There is no moronic rule of perspective that alters that fact - it is basic trigonometry and I am starting to seriously wonder whether you have picked the wrong mushrooms!

 

Eyes above horizon level, angle down to see horizon. The reason you are bloviating and huffing and puffing is because you just got owned on your silly claim.

 

The horizon does NOT always come up to eye level and it is totally irrelevant anyway. It doesn't come up to eye level on a flat earth either, nor should it on both.

Edited October 2, 2020 by Comedy Time

[Comedy Time]

20 miles is 105,600 ft. pretty close to my 100,000 example above that you ran away from!!

 

a = 32,187 (km)

b = 641.6 (km)

 

Theta is 2.87 degrees downwards.

[amy G]

13 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

None of those alter his height above the surface. None of this is an imagined world. It is a world where the eyes MUST always be above the horizon looking down unless he has his head right on the ground at zero ft.

 

 

Emphasis mine.

 

There is no moronic rule of perspective that alters that fact - it is basic trigonometry and I am starting to seriously wonder whether you have picked the wrong mushrooms!

 

Eyes above horizon level, angle down to see horizon. The reason you are bloviating and huffing and puffing is because you just got owned on your silly claim.

 

The horizon does NOT always come up to eye level and it is totally irrelevant anyway. It doesn't come up to eye level on a flat earth either, nor should it on both.

Ok, that is just pure denial. You have been provided with more academic links then anyone should require.

 

13 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

20 miles is 105,600 ft. pretty close to my 100,000 example above that you ran away from!!

 

a = 32,187 (km)

b = 641.6 (km)

 

Theta is 2.87 degrees downwards.

Cool, perspective  plays no role and you learned how to use an online calculator.

 

Now, is this angle discernible?

 

Sorry for the bold, enlarged text, but for some reason it seems to get through to you better.