The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

[bflat]

 

The “Nature of Reality” forum was recently hosting a thread where heated discussion was taking place regarding our plane, “a flat, nonrotating Earth” as nasa themselves reference multiple times in multiple documents. Freemason trolls were going crazy over their delusion being exposed, which in itself was fun to watch. The thread was several pages long, I believe over 40, was posted to multiple times each day, and was being viewed 100s of times each day.

So, I’ll lay out the basics for discussion, the freemason trolls will come on here with nearly every logical fallacy known to man; they will even openly lie. For anyone looking for truth, try not to let this distract you from these few, simple, points… and enjoy!

 

T   1) The horizon! I simply cannot stress enough how important it is to understand that with the technology available today for around $500, you can test for yourself whether the horizon is a physical barrier as it MUST BE in the current heliocentric delusion put forth by Jesuit freemasons and accepted today by “modern astronomy,” or if it is simply what any artist knows as a vanishing point/line based on perspective. Here are some examples of what you will find:

 

I am not sure of the cost of the above setup, but it is technology like this that is advancing rapidly and has been destroying the globe lie all over the world. Youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. cannot take these videos down and ban the account owners fast enough. Our ability to use infrared, allowing us to cut through the atmosphere and the ability max out the contrast allows us to see farther than ever before. FTR, the above horizon is around 100 miles or more beyond where it would be if the earth were a globe, 25,000 miles in circumference.

 

 

The above video speaks for itself. Watch it at least until the father shoots a laser directly into his son’s camera lens from 13.7 miles away!

 

And this is an old one of usaf major Brian Shul flying around in his fighter jet and telling us quite bluntly of seeing Canada from New Mexico!

The horizon also always rises to the eye level of the observer and remains perfectly flat, 360 degrees. From the beach:

 

 

To the highest rides in hot air balloons:

 

If they earth is a ball like the freemasons claim, as we move higher we would need to look down to see the horizon, but this never happens. Since none of us have ever seen this ourselves, check this open sourced 3d model of what we should see from a hot air balloon, yet never do:

 

 

 

 

The truth remains and has been staring us in the for our entire lives.

 

 

     2) The physics governing water is extremely clear! Water finds its level. Spirit levels work on this very principle and have guided us in the building of incredible structures for centuries.

 

Water does not stick to the outside of a ball; water fills its container and lies perfectly flat on top:

I know, I know… muh grabity, duh. Well:

 

 

 

3)  Physical laws regarding how gas and why gas moves! Trolls from freemasonry pretend that Newton’s second law only relates to temperature. They are wrong. It is correct to say that energy moves from "more concentrated" to "less concentrated."

In other words:

Energy flows from a higher pressure to a lower pressure (expansion).

https://www.ftexploring.com/energy/2nd_Law.html

The point? We are told that the greatest vacuum known to us is that of the "infinite vacuum  of space." In fact, Interstellar/Deep Space = ~10^-17 Torr. To put that in perspective, nasa’s vacuum chamber with her two feet thick metal wall that is enclosed by six to eight feet thick cement walls, can only achieve 10^-6.

And right next to this infinite vacuum sits our pressurized system. It is actually inside this infinite vacuum, lol.

I know, I know… muh grabity. Hint: it is ridiculous to assume that gravity would stand a chance against this vacuum. I mean even if Newton was right, this is where gravity would be the weakest. It is the point that nasa refuses to even define where the earth’s gravity stops and “infinite vacuum space” begins.

Hell, look how easy it for a basic shop vac to overcome “gravity,” the freemason’s imaginary friend:

 

 

 

 

4)   Airlines use this map or one quite similar to navigate from:

and never use anything like this to navigate from:

EMERGENCY LANDINGS PROVE THIS BEYOND DOUBT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVP8-mcpook

 

 

         5)   Look at how they explain flight dynamics to pilots and what nasa explains in several of THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS!

We assume that . . .

•There is a flat Earth. (The Earth’s curvature is zero.)

 

•There is anon-rotating Earth. (No Coriolis accelerations and such are present.)

 

http://www.aerostudents.com/courses/flight-dynamics/flightDynamicsFullVersion.pdf

 

American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics; General Equations of Motion for a Damaged Asymmetric Aircraft (Page 2, Section II) ... “In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat non-rotating earth are developed…”

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070030307.pdf

 

NASA Technical Memorandum 104330; Predicted Performance of a Thrust-Enhanced SR-71 Aircraft with an External Payload (Page 8 - Digital Performance Simulation Description) "The DPS equations of motion use four assumptions ... a nonrotating Earth."

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88507main_H-2179.pdf

 

NASA Technical Note: A Method for Reducing The Sensitivity of Optimal Nonlinear Systems to Parameter Uncertainty (Page 12 Problem Statement) ... "(2) A flat, nonrotating Earth"

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710018599.pdf

 

NASA Technical Note; Calculation of Wind Compensation for Launching of Unguided Rockets (Page 8 Trajectory Simulation, 2nd Paragraph) ..."this simulation assumes ... the missile position in space is computed relative to a flat nonrotating Earth"

 

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040008097.pdf

 

NASA Technical Paper 2768; User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models (Page 12, Program Overview) ... “Within the program, the nonlinear equations of motion include 12 states representing a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth”
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88072main_H-1259.pdf

 

NASA Technical Paper 2835; "User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models" (Page 1, Summary) AND (Page 126 , Report Documentation Page, Section 16) "The nonlinear equations of motion used are six-degree-of-freedom equations with stationary atmosphere and flat, nonrotating earth assumptions."

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890007066.pdf

 

NASA Technical Memorandum; Determination of Angles of Attack and Sideslip from Radar Data and a Roll Stabilized Platform (Page 2, Section 16.) “The method is limited, however, to application where a flat, nonrotating earth may be assumed.”

 

NASA Contractor Report 186019; An Aircraft Model for the AIAA Controls Design Challenge (Page 11, Equation of Motion and Atmospheric Model) ... “The nonlinear equations of motion used in this model are general six-degree-of-freedom equations representing the flight dynamics of a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth.”

 

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88248main_H-1777.pdf

 

NASA Contractor Report 3073; Investigation of Aircraft Landing in Variable Wind Fields (Page 6, Chapter II - Aircraft Landing Model) ... "The Aircraft trajectory model employed in this study was derived based on the following assumptions: a) The Earth is flat and non-rotating. "

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790005472.pdf

 

NASA Technical Memorandum 81238; A Mathematical Model of the CH-53 Helicopter (Page 17, Equations of Motion) .. "The helicopter equations of motion are given in body axes with respect to a flat, nonrotating Earth."

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810003557.pdf

 

Engineering Experiment Station, Georgia Institute of Technology, Prepared for NASA; Atmospheric Oscillations (Page 10) ... "A model frequently used is that of a flat, nonrotating earth." ... (next paragraph) .. "The most one can profitably simplify the problem is to consider an isothermal atmosphere, plane level surface, and a nonrotating Earth."

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650015408.pdf

 

NASA Tecnical Paper 2002-210718; Stability and Control Estimation Flight Test Results for the SR-71 Aircraft With Externally Mounted Experiments (Pages 10-11 Equations of Motion) ... "These equations assume a rigid vehicle and a flat, nonrotating Earth."

 

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88733main_H-2465.pdf

 

NASA Technical Memorandum 100996; Flight Testing a VSTOL Aircraft to Identify a Full-Envelope Aerodynamic Model (Pages 4-5, State Estimation) ... “For aircraft problems, the state and measurement models together represent the kinematics of a rigid body for describing motion over a flat, nonrotating Earth…”

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19880014378.pdf

 

NASA Ames Research Center; Singular Arc Time-Optimal Climb Trajectory of Aircraft in a Two-Dimensional Wind Field (Page 2, Section II. Singular Arc Optimal Control) ... “In our minimum time-to-climb problem, the aircraft is modeled as a point mass and the flight trajectory is strictly confined in a vertical plane on a non-rotating, flat Earth."

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20060053337.pdf

 

OK, that’s it for now, I could literally go on for days, but let’s start with these five simple points. And folks, at least try to keep the trolling to minimum, focus on the five points and have some fun exploring our physical reality.

 

 

 

[megatron3]

But just how do the Jesuit freemasons benefit from this, bflat?

[rideforever]

When I stand at the beach the horizon looks slightly curved to me, also the heavenly bodies look round, and boats seem to descend below the horizon.

Another thing is that on some days I can see the waves on the horizon, meaning I can see the crest and troughs on the horizon.

My eyesight is pretty good for long distance.

[KingPin]

I dont think that flat earth is a thing. But either way - why does the shape of the world matter? If its a flat sphere or a globe - there is no difference for us in our daily lifes, is it?

[bflat]

1 hour ago, megatron3 said:

But just how do the Jesuit freemasons benefit from this, bflat?

Hi Mega, it's really all speculation. Understand the simple points above and then we might be able to get there. I will say that there is great difference between existing in a relatively small, intelligently designed, local system and an infinitely expanding cosmic accident which in effect reduces to us to some infinitely small spec of cosmic dust.

 

 

37 minutes ago, rideforever said:

When I stand at the beach the horizon looks slightly curved to me, also the heavenly bodies look round, and boats seem to descend below the horizon.

Another thing is that on some days I can see the waves on the horizon, meaning I can see the crest and troughs on the horizon.

My eyesight is pretty good for long distance.

You must be a freemason for they are the only ones who have seen this curvature you speak of. And even some of them can't see it, lol. One of their heliocentric priests explains:

 

And you certainly have never seen "through" it as the horizon is the vanishing point.

 

This is why I posted the videos under point one above. Watch them and understand them.

37 minutes ago, rideforever said:

My eyesight is pretty good for long distance.

Well that's great, but they are nothing compared to the infrared video we are capturing all over the world that disproves what you believe you have seen.

 

2 minutes ago, KingPin said:

I dont think that flat earth is a thing. But either way - why does the shape of the world matter? If its a flat sphere or a globe - there is no difference for us in our daily lifes, is it?

The shape really is not that important. This is about exposing the lies, exposing a 500 year conspiracy among the richest men on earth, and it is about exposing - and then changing - everything that goes along with it from our fake schools designed to destroy learning, to our fake courts designed to destroy justice, to our fake medicine designed to destroy health, to our fake money/economics designed to enslave us all.

 

These connections may not make immediate sense to you, but I assure that if you take an honest look at this subject, it soon will.

[rideforever]

Also when you are high up in a plane you can see the curvature of the Earth.  It's slight but it's there.  I would know the difference.  What about water in the sink in the Southern hemisphere?
There are man secrets and so on ... but maybe not this one ... anyway that's my view.

 

[bflat]

2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Also when you are high up in a plane you can see the curvature of the Earth.  It's slight but it's there.  I would know the difference.  What about water in the sink in the Southern hemisphere?
There are man secrets and so on ... but maybe not this one ... anyway that's my view.

 

OK, trolling or serious?

 

That is a fisheye lens (PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEOS ABOVE, neil the ass tyson even explained this for you) and the water in the sink nonsense you believe in is a carnival trick. And the "southern hemisphere" DOES NOT EXIST. PLEASE NOW, Do not turn this into a thread similar to those discussing pro wrestling like it is an actual competition.

 

At the end of the day, do you wanna be one of those people that freemasons can trick with gopros, carnival tricks, shitty models, pitiful attempts at using special effects, cgi cartoons and obvious lies?

 

Or not?

 

These are what horizons look like when not photographed by freemasons with their gopros:

[alexa]

1 hour ago, KingPin said:

I dont think that flat earth is a thing. But either way - why does the shape of the world matter? If its a flat sphere or a globe - there is no difference for us in our daily lifes, is it?

You could say 'Why does it matter about anything'. But you have to ask yourself why have TPB been lying to us  about the shape of the earth ? And there's your Answer.

[Jack]

maybe its flat if the world stopped spinning and fell on its side

[zoan91]

1 hour ago, bflat said:

OK, trolling or serious?

 

That is a fisheye lens (PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEOS ABOVE, neil the ass tyson even explained this for you) and the water in the sink nonsense you believe in is a carnival trick. And the "southern hemisphere" DOES NOT EXIST. PLEASE NOW, Do not turn this into a thread similar to those discussing pro wrestling like it is an actual competition.

 

At the end of the day, do you wanna be one of those people that freemasons can trick with gopros, carnival tricks, shitty models, pitiful attempts at using special effects, cgi cartoons and obvious lies?

 

Or not?

 

These are what horizons look like when not photographed by freemasons with their gopros:

If you look closely at the last picture the edges of the red line are not touching the sea like it does in the middle

[tantra86]

i did think the easiest way to prove this is to get a laser and shoot it.how much curvature is there over a set amount of miles in the round model?

 

got myanswer. 

 

he Earth has a radius of approximately 3965 miles. Using the Pythagorean theorem, that calculates to an average curvature of 7.98 inches per mile or approximately 8 inches per mile (squared).

Edited May 16, 2020 by tantra86

[theo102]

7 hours ago, KingPin said:

I dont think that flat earth is a thing. But either way - why does the shape of the world matter? If its a flat sphere or a globe - there is no difference for us in our daily lifes, is it?

It matters because if it's flat then the people whose jobs depends on knowing the real shape of the earth (eg airline pilots) are incompetent, not to mention astronomers and people who teach astronomy.

[theo102]

5 hours ago, tantra86 said:

i did think the easiest way to prove this is to get a laser and shoot it.how much curvature is there over a set amount of miles in the round model?

 

This assumes that light travels in straight lines, which doesn't always happen eg Fata Morgana and gravitational lensing.

 

[tantra86]

52 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

This assumes that light travels in straight lines, which doesn't always happen eg Fata Morgana and gravitational lensing.

the main thing that stopped me giving this idea anything is the fact the sun and the moon are clearly round balls. so the earth must be? or am i abit thick haha. 

[theo102]

29 minutes ago, tantra86 said:

the main thing that stopped me giving this idea anything is the fact the sun and the moon are clearly round balls. so the earth must be? or am i abit thick haha. 

 

You can tell that the Earth is a sphere from the shape of the shadow during a lunar eclipse.

 

[tantra86]

15 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

You can tell that the Earth is a sphere from the shape of the shadow during a lunar eclipse.

 

yes never thought that. could be a discworld

[theo102]

7 minutes ago, tantra86 said:

yes never thought that. could be a discworld

A discworld won't work because lunar eclipses can be near the horizon and the shadow is still circular.

 

[alexa]

1 hour ago, tantra86 said:

could be a discworld

 

This is exactly what it is!

Auguste Piccard, August 1931 said in Popular Science magazine “It seemed a flat disk with upturned edge,”

Check him out! He was the first man of his day to reach height of height of 9.9239193 miles.

 

It also states the in the Bible.

Isaiah 40-22

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It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 

[rwkt]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[megatron3]

On 5/16/2020 at 10:17 PM, bflat said:

Hi Mega, it's really all speculation. Understand the simple points above and then we might be able to get there. I will say that there is great difference between existing in a relatively small, intelligently designed, local system and an infinitely expanding cosmic accident which in effect reduces to us to some infinitely small spec of cosmic dust.

Nicely said, and I agree, especially the last sentence. Our "sciences" cannot even begin to phantom the complexity and nature of our existence.

[alexa]

Warn of the Day of Judgement, When God will Remove the Mountains, and you will See the Earth a Flat Plain

You will Not See Therein Any Curve, and those who Mocked will be Enveloped by what they used to Ridicule

 

18:47, Qur'an
[So warn of] the Day when We will remove the mountains and you will see the earth a flat plain, and We will gather them and not leave behind from them anyone.

20:105 - 107, Qur'an
[So] they ask you about the mountains, so say, "My Lord will blow them away with a blast.  And He will leave [the earth] a flat plain; you will not see therein any crookedness or any curve -"

[Baruch 5:7], Torah
For God has decreed the flattening of each high mountain, of the everlasting hills, the filling of the valleys to make the ground level.

21:41, Qur'an
[For] already were messengers ridiculed before you, but those who mocked them were enveloped by what they used to ridicule.

[theo102]

4 hours ago, alexa said:

see the earth a flat plain

 

The Arabic word here is bārizatan, which means come forth or be made manifest.

 

4 hours ago, alexa said:

And He will leave [the earth] a flat plain; you will not see therein any crookedness or any curve

 

Sahih International has "You will not see therein a depression or an elevation.", which better fits the context of removing the mountains.

 

The Quran is big on applying reason:

 

We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason.

Surah 3:118

 

The Quran also refers to the earth as being spread out, which is a good fit for the seafloor spreading that can be found in the oceanic plates.  Seafloor spreading works of a spherical earth, but not on a flat earth.

 

[Asmallperson]

So if all other objects in space are spherical to some degree, which is easily observable, then why should the earth be flat?

 

the church tried to suppress astronomical information because it challenged their control so why are of trying to go backwards? It's clear that many are motivated to attack anything they think challenges the bible.

[rooey]

some of the arguments put forward sound convincing of at least earth not being exactly as we are told (ie much bigger or even flat)

however having seen a comet hit the atmosphere with an incredibly bright flash, then descend to earth. it's clear to myself that at least space is real and there isn't a glass dome above us. 
 

[Realmy79]

Have you guys ever watched thunderbolts project? You should look it up on YT. They say we have an electric universe. David also mentioned them in one of his speeches. It gives you alot more i sight to connect the dots.