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Ok  here goes ,I was watching the idiot box for about 1/2 a hour and thinking about the problem at the same time (I seem to be able to think and picture things in my head better with a slight distraction)  and I can see why it is hard to visualize and as I have said before when trying to explain these things it's all a matter of perspective and point of observation, so this is my explanation for what it's worth

We both agree that the earth and the moon spin in an easterly or anti clock wise direction and the moon travels twice as fast as the earth however because it has to cover more distance  it appears to be traveling or spinning much slower than the earth from our perspective and indeed that appears to be the case,therefore according to the  video you put up the shadow of a solar eclipse should move east to west ,but in actual fact it doesn't it goes from west to east, why? because we are observing it from the earth in the video ,but the actual shadow is being cast by the moon so our point of observation should be from there, and since the  the moon is actually  traveling  faster than the earth ,  the shadow cast, would in actual fact be traveling from west to east

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@peter I can't figure that the western point of USA gets sight of eclipse first , 

Then the sighting occurs eastward 

 

But the earth is spinning east 

 

So the moon that's apparently slower somehow gets inline with the sun faster than the spin

 

The alignment is perfect for moon size, distance, sun size and observer

 

The earth/moon together would have to perform a 'drift' on the camber of the solar system (fast and furious tokyo style) and then flip back to normal sun ellipse

 

 

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No, the moon is actually traveling faster than the earth, and that is the whole crux of the matter right there ,however from where we are standing that doesn't appear to be the case, since the moon is the one that is casting the shadow and in actual fact is traveling faster than the earth the shadow will only ever appear from left to right

1 hour ago, zArk said:

The alignment is perfect for moon size, distance, sun size and observe

Yes correct, but the point of observation needs to be from the moon ,in your head  picture your self standing on the moon now look at the shadow cast on the earth.  in actual fact if the moon is traveling twice as fast as the earth the shadow can only travel from west to east, no matter what we  think it should be , in fact the earth spinning faster than the moon is actually an optical illusion created from our unique  perspective or point of observation.

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is that a joke ,or are you serious , I hope its not the latter as I will have to bang my head against the wall for a few minuets then I will drop into a chair, my eyes will close, my head will flop down so my chin is on my chest then start to rock  from side to side, slowly but uncontrollably all the while mumbling for fuck sake under my breath

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9 hours ago, peter said:

No, the moon is actually traveling faster than the earth

 

9 hours ago, alexa said:

Where's the moon traveling too exactly ?

9 hours ago, peter said:

is that a joke ,or are you serious

 

It's a fair enough question as it certainly dun't travel with the earth around the sun, that's for sure. :classic_biggrin:

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1 hour ago, alexa said:

 

 

It's a fair enough question as it certainly dun't travel with the earth around the sun, that's for sure. :classic_biggrin:

At the moment  my bloody forehead hurts ,and it's all your fault,I told you what would happen

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11 hours ago, peter said:

No, the moon is actually traveling faster than the earth, and that is the whole crux of the matter right there ,however from where we are standing that doesn't appear to be the case, since the moon is the one that is casting the shadow and in actual fact is traveling faster than the earth the shadow will only ever appear from left to right

Yes correct, but the point of observation needs to be from the moon ,in your head  picture your self standing on the moon now look at the shadow cast on the earth.  in actual fact if the moon is traveling twice as fast as the earth the shadow can only travel from west to east, no matter what we  think it should be , in fact the earth spinning faster than the moon is actually an optical illusion created from our unique  perspective or point of observation.

 

yes the observer point of the eclipse moves east (California moves eastward on axis) , away from the central sun  and the moon moves apparently west as it is apparently slower on its orbit of the earth due to the orbital distance

the sheep can turn around in a second but the sheep dog takes 10 seconds to circle the sheep yet the sheep dog is moving twice as fast as the sheep

 

so the earths west point is now turning into the sun and the moon is following the suns apparent direction

 

the rare alignment cannot be viewed at a more easterly point as the special circumstances is only available at the more westerly point now

 

the sphere model collapses

 

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linear speed

angular speed

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Hang on a minute we were talking about the the apparent direction of the shadow should move  on the earth and the actual direction that the shadow moves on the earth during a solar eclipse

The diagram that you put up looks impressive but it is incorrect ,light rays do not travel from the sun to the earth in that fashion ,light rays travel in a straight line unless they encounter a body that is large enough to cause gravitational lensing and the earth or moon are not large enough to cause that,however the rest of the diagram of the moon and earth are absolutely brilliant to describe what I'm saying. So from the perspective of the moon that is traveling faster than the earth ,a solar eclipse will always show a shadow that travels from west to east and with that diagram it becomes absolutely self evident.

I'm sorry the sphere model hasn't collapsed at all ,you have just strengthened it

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19 minutes ago, peter said:

So from the perspective of the moon that is traveling faster than the earth ,a solar eclipse will always show a shadow that travels from west to east and with that diagram it becomes absolutely self evident.

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the moon apparently travels east to west over the sky

the earth spins to the east so that the Sun apparently travels east to west over the sky

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the heliocentric model cant claim, in the case of a solar eclipse, that model should be ignored

 

the sphere model has collapsed for it to explain solar eclipse

 

claiming the linear speed of the moon is greater than the earths axial spin but ignoring angular velocity, circumference and orbit would claim that the moon travels across the sky west to east

 

it doesnt.

the moon doesnt rise in the west and set in the east

 

the observable fact cant be ignored

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1 hour ago, bradlaw said:

No, it disproves the sphere model but can't prove flat earth as the unknown extra disc is not observed other than claim during eclipse

 

However, it's important to understand the speed at which the Earth and moon travel. According to NASA, the moon travels to the east as it orbits Earth at approximately 3,400 km per hour. This is compared to the Earth rotating to the east at 1,670 km per hour at the equator. This would mean the moon's shadow will move from west to east at 1,730 km per hour at the equator.

 

2 YEARS AGO IT WAS DUN AND DUSTED

 

spherist are hanging on by way of silence, ignoring the issue and obsfucation

 

CHECK MATE it is

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12 hours ago, zArk said:

claiming the linear speed of the moon is greater than the earths axial spin but ignoring angular velocity, circumference and orbit would claim that the moon travels across the sky west to east

 

it doesnt.

the moon doesnt rise in the west and set in the east

 

the observable fact cant be ignored

and your ignoring the fact that the moon has a lot longer to travel, I thought we were talking about the direction of  shadow cast on the earth  during a solar eclipse and why of, course the moon doesn't rise in the west and set in the east ,that's self evident

 

 To help you understand  eg Land speed record is 1000K an hour now or close to it ,it would look like it was going like the clappers if it went past only a few feet away but if you were miles away it would seem like it was going a lot slower from your point of observation

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14 hours ago, zArk said:

claiming the linear speed of the moon is greater than the earths axial spin but ignoring angular velocity, circumference and orbit would claim that the moon travels across the sky west to east

They have not been ignored and all these parameters fall  within the frame work of my explanation, your assumption that what I said would cause the moon to travel from west to east is incorrect but no doubt sounds good from your side of the argument , unfortunately you seem to be able to look at a problem from only one angle and that being the earth is flat so I must be wrong , me I like to look at things from all different angles then come to a conclusion ,weather that conclusion is correct of not is an entirely different matter.

What I gave you was a valid explanation to the direction of the shadow during  a solar eclipse, and even though I didn't look up websites for the info ,I believe it to be correct and quite simple really once the point of observation is taken into account. As I said, picture it in your mind, take into account direction, rotational speed distance etc, then imagine what you would observe from different points or perspectives

6 hours ago, zArk said:

However, it's important to understand the speed at which the Earth and moon travel. According to NASA, the moon travels to the east as it orbits Earth at approximately 3,400 km per hour. This is compared to the Earth rotating to the east at 1,670 km per hour at the equator. This would mean the moon's shadow will move from west to east at 1,730 km per hour at the equator.

Of course it wouldn't, as distance from the observer has not been taken into account , the moon has to travel 1.4 million miles every month to orbit the earth at I distance of on average 380,000Km see what happens when you factor that into the mix

You can call check mate any time to like ,however premature, because I fear the game will be going a lot longer , but not by me

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On 8/5/2020 at 10:08 PM, peter said:

and your ignoring the fact that the moon has a lot longer to travel, I

 

no, the moon is faster than the earth but its orbit is longer so it travels east to west across the sky

 

the solar eclipse was observed west to east

 

 

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25 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

no, the moon is faster than the earth but its orbit is longer so it travels east to west across the sky

 

the solar eclipse was observed west to east

 

 

and I explained why ,you are discreetly ignoring the distance of 380,000km  and point of observation again

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On 8/6/2020 at 12:19 AM, peter said:

What I gave you was a valid explanation to the direction of the shadow during  a solar eclipse

 

it was invalidated

On 8/5/2020 at 8:55 AM, peter said:

So from the perspective of the moon that is traveling faster than the earth ,a solar eclipse will always show a shadow that travels from west to east and with that diagram it becomes absolutely self evident.

this diagram

On 8/5/2020 at 7:12 AM, zArk said:

 

 

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righty ho fella,

the moon is travelling  --------->>> orbit

the earth is spinning --------->> spin

the moon is travelling 0.5* per hour

the earth is spinning 15* per hour

 

the eclipse is observed west to east

 

@peter explain how the eclipse is observed west to east in the 5 hour period ta

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, peter said:

and I explained why ,you are discreetly ignoring the distance of 380,000km  and point of observation again

 

no i am taking all the spherists models together and the observed solar eclipse west to east doesnt fit the model

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6 hours ago, zArk said:

the eclipse is observed west to east

 

@peter explain how the eclipse is observed west to east in the 5 hour period ta

I have done that twice already ,nothing has changed, if you can't understand what I'm saying or don't like what I'm saying I can't help that

6 hours ago, zArk said:

 

no i am taking all the spherists models together and the observed solar eclipse west to east doesnt fit the model

Oh ,now you are talking about all the other models  ,I thought you wanted me to explain it , I must have hit a nerve as once again the goal posts have been shifted, sorry old mate but as I said before my explanation fits snugly within the parameters of the globe model as you put it . Try thinking in 3D  . Would you like me to explain this (10^-17 torr vacuum) as well because your lot keep banging on about it as if it is something miraculous  , I don't even have to think about this one

 

 

The old saying .If you see every  problem as a nail ,your only solution is a hammer   ( insert flat earth for nail ) 

But I know I'm wasting my time as, after the explanation for the vacuum is given you will be looking for your 8lb slegie

 

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