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I've been reading with interest and I see the point about if you dont believe x,y,z how can you believe a....

 

However, there is a question that I find very helpful when I'm thinking about "conspiracy" v "truth" v "lie" and it is "who benefits?" And usually there will be some multi millionaire/billionaire and power/control at play...

 

But I cant for the life of me fathom even a guess at who benefits from the "lie" that the earth is round? If it's a lie then WHY is it a lie? Who benefits?

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14 minutes ago, Jode said:

 

But I cant for the life of me fathom even a guess at who benefits from the "lie" that the earth is round? If it's a lie then WHY is it a lie? Who benefits?

 

Depleted resources on ball earth = fear

Fear of asteroids and meteors

Fear of the end of all life , big bang, black holes, supernovas etc etc

Isolation in a mindbogglingly big universe

Fear of hurtling around a spinning earth, spinning around the sun, twisting around the galaxy at ludicrous speeds

Oh it's a big wheeze to damage the psyche 

 

The Varroa Destructor doesn't just want to rule the world, the world is not enough, it wants to crush and obliterate man's self. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A lot of you all are making this sound like the Truman Show, where if you keep on sailing the sea you will hit the edge. What then?

 

I believe the earth is a globe. But a good paint was raised, why big chunk things of metal called Airplanes don't get sucked onto the Magnets at the North or South pole.

 

Shame really that no one has invented a proper "3D" compass, so that if you were stood on the top of the north pole it would literally point downwards (to your feet),  as that would prove its a ball shape right?  Does magnetism not run through the earth or something, only around it?

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13 hours ago, zArk said:

†*****"hilarious how the same posters who

 

A. Say mainstream media is full of shit 24/7

B. talk of global conspiracy to brainwash the masses

C. Say germ theory is fear porn 

D. Accept JFK assassination and 9/11 attack was a cover up 

 

But will use official data as gospel in this thread 

 

Jeeze peeps sort yourselves out 

Let alone, the evidence they accept for ETs is based on the words of channelers. I have yet to see one of them post even a shred of physical evidence that backs up their impossible belief.

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27 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

  Does magnetism not run through the earth or something, only around it?

 From the center (bulls eye) :classic_biggrin:

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53 minutes ago, bflat said:

Let alone, the evidence they accept for ETs is based on the words of channelers. I have yet to see one of them post even a shred of physical evidence that backs up their impossible belief.

 

Disagree .... ET's are inter dimensional as you are! Not from 'space' but from 'outside' our physical senses.

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8 minutes ago, ink said:

ET's are inter dimensional as you are! Not from 'space' but from 'outside' our physical senses.

 

I have to agree with you ink, but they are not ET's they are demonic entities. oh and bflat's not one.:classic_biggrin:

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1 hour ago, bflat said:

Let alone, the evidence they accept for ETs is based on the words of channelers. I have yet to see one of them post even a shred of physical evidence that backs up their impossible belief.

That is false. There are people who have been abducted by aliens. There are also a few photographs of aliens, and several pilots in commercial and USAF have seen alien-looking craft up in the sky.

 

A "shred of evidence" of actual aliens is very difficult to come across. You would have to be inside the Pentagon or the CIA, or working at one of the deep underground bases, or at Area 51 S4. And if you happen to work in any of those and you leak out information then you put yourself and your family's life at risk, like Bob Lazar for example. Or Phil Schneider, or the many others. Then if the information you happen to leak gets out, there is a large team of assholes who go to work on the internet polluting the information with misinformation to confuse people.

 

I doubt any of you actually want "evidence", you couldn't handle it, psychologically. I posted that video on the previous page where Michael Schratt goes into details about various UFO craft sightings but I doubt anyone watched it. It's pretty awesome some of the documents and info he found.

 

People who are easily deceived by crap like flat Earth have a difficult time comprehending complex topics, so their mind makes it easier to live life by saying, none of it is true. It's like Pizzagate and people denying that it is happening because it's so terrible to think about children being sacrificed and then their brain dissected so that some sicko can eat the contents to get high. Personally I think maybe these are the aliens who are eating us. Humans eat cows and lamb, and fish, and frog legs, and crabs, and lobster, and fish eggs, and all kinds of things. But then tell people that there is something eating humans and OMG it's a conspiracy theory!

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2 hours ago, zArk said:

 

Depleted resources on ball earth = fear

Fear of asteroids and meteors

Fear of the end of all life , big bang, black holes, supernovas etc etc

Isolation in a mindbogglingly big universe

Fear of hurtling around a spinning earth, spinning around the sun, twisting around the galaxy at ludicrous speeds

Oh it's a big wheeze to damage the psyche 

 

The Varroa Destructor doesn't just want to rule the world, the world is not enough, it wants to crush and obliterate man's self. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:classic_laugh: You don't feel the "hurtling" Earth's rotation because you are small in comparison to the size of Earth.

 

If the Earth didn't spin on its axis then the time it took an aircraft to fly across the country in one direction would be the same as it took to fly the opposite direction. The flight time from Chicago Illinois O'Hare (ORD) to Phoenix Arizona (PHX) takes more time than the flight from Phoenix to Chicago. WHY? You keep avoiding this question. It's because of the Earth's rotation. The aircraft is flying WITH the rotation heading west. When the aircraft is heading east the Earth is spinning towards the aircraft so there it takes less time to arrive at any destination on the east coast.

 

I know this is so difficult for small minds to comprehend but it's really not that difficult. This is like fifth grade level stuff and it's laughable that adults can't figure it out.

 

The Earth also doesn't "twist" around the galaxy, it orbits the sun due to magnetic energy and gyroscopic momentum, like a bicycle wheel in motion. If you roll a wheel down the street it will continue to roll as long as it moves. Once it stops moving it will likely fall over, unless it happens to be balanced perfect.

 

If the Earth is flat then why are there seasons? And HOW are there seasons if the Earth is flat?

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6 hours ago, bflat said:

I know, the comment was for @peter... he is incredibly triggered by this stuff.

No, not at all I find this absolutely hilarious 

If there is no such thing as gravity how come everything doesn't float into the air,  as objects always will always move towards the point of least resistance and the higher you get the least resistance there is from the thinner atmosphere and how come there is an atmosphere for that matter

If there is no curvature how come the higher you get the further you can see

I think you will be up for a new violin soon as the finger board must be wearing a bit thin by now:classic_wacko:

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6 hours ago, ink said:

 

Disagree .... ET's are inter dimensional as you are! Not from 'space' but from 'outside' our physical senses.

AGREE!

 

EXACTLY!

 

It's just listening to these people claiming aliens or non-humans or whatever are coming here through a 10^-17 "vacuum of infinite space!" This is the single problem with EVERYONE on this board that doesn't get it... mod or not... shill or just committed to their nonsense.

 

I have mentioned many times that David has spoke of this, that it has nothing to do with government controlled opposition, be they "channellers" or not. It is likely they are simply a Planck length away and never light years!

 

There is no disney, nasa, freemason "infinite space." It follows that noone is coming from there because it is cartoon, infantile bullshit!

 

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RE: I know you are totally triggered by this shit and I am responding form my heart... and with love.

 

5 hours ago, Messenger said:

 You don't feel the "hurtling" Earth's rotation because you are small in comparison to the size of Earth. 

Modern astronomy/freemason , disney, nasa does NOT claim this. They claim constant speed. What they refuse to explain is how our reference frame is at constant speed as we are on the outside of a ball that mirrors double motion rides like the teacups.

 

Think!

Assume for a second that what they claim If we were to exist PERFECTLY on a freemason's ball is real and not a "mathematical," mathmagical construct.

 

If we were to exist PERFECTLY centered within such a ball as we moved at these incredible speeds... several times that of sound, it could possibly make sense. BUT WE DO NOT!

 

We exist outside of that.

 

In your imaginary world it means this:

We are on the outside of a freemason's ball that spins on its axis at over 1000 mph... much faster than sound travels at. At the same time we are moving at 66,600 mph around the Sun as we chase it at a half a million lies per hour hour. Think on that.

 

Have you taken a moment to think on that?

 

Good, because as we accelerate past the sun, one side of our supposed planet is moving in THE SINGLE REFERENCE FRAME THAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF... 2000 MPH FASTER THAT THE OTHER 1/2!

 

No way can this be considered constant speed regardless of your hallucinated size delusion. It's that simple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, bflat said:

 

 

In your imaginary world it means this:

We are on the outside of a freemason's ball that spins on its axis at over 1000 mph... much faster than sound travels at. At the same time we are moving at 66,600 mph around the Sun as we chase it at a half a million lies per hour hour. Think on that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 And don't forget the sun is supposedly orbiting the galaxy at 450,000 mph too.

And with all this frenetic movement the constellations above us never change.

You gotta laugh.

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53 minutes ago, bflat said:

RE: I know you are totally triggered by this shit and I am responding form my heart... and with love.

 

Modern astronomy/freemason , disney, nasa does NOT claim this. They claim constant speed. What they refuse to explain is how our reference frame is at constant speed as we are on the outside of a ball that mirrors double motion rides like the teacups.

 

Think!

Assume for a second that what they claim If we were to exist PERFECTLY on a freemason's ball is real and not a "mathematical," mathmagical construct.

 

If we were to exist PERFECTLY centered within such a ball as we moved at these incredible speeds... several times that of sound, it could possibly make sense. BUT WE DO NOT!

 

We exist outside of that.

 

In your imaginary world it means this:

We are on the outside of a freemason's ball that spins on its axis at over 1000 mph... much faster than sound travels at. At the same time we are moving at 66,600 mph around the Sun as we chase it at a half a million lies per hour hour. Think on that.

 

Have you taken a moment to think on that?

 

Good, because as we accelerate past the sun, one side of our supposed planet is moving in THE SINGLE REFERENCE FRAME THAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF... 2000 MPH FASTER THAT THE OTHER 1/2!

 

No way can this be considered constant speed regardless of your hallucinated size delusion. It's that simple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you're responding out of ignorance.  I'm not "triggered", I'm exposing a bunch of shills, or idiots, I haven't decided which you are yet.

 

I don't really care about NASA, I don't know why you ALWAYS point to them as the end all be all of space exploration and aerospace information.

 

AGAIN you completely avoided answering the easy question of why it takes less time for the same aircraft to fly east than it does west. Anyone with a functioning brain would realize that this is because the Earth is not at a standstill.

 

You have also avoided the question of, how deep is this alleged "flat" Earth to where it can hold up millions of pounds of water pressure... ? If the Earth is flat, is it simply hovering in space in one spot? How does it stay in position and hold the weight of dirt, grass, rocks, giant boulders and ancient megalithic structures, millions of trees, millions of gallons of water, coral reef, sharks & whales and sea lions that weigh thousands of pounds each, elephants, lions & tigers & bears, OH MY! How does this flat Earth hold up all that weight? Oh, not to mention the thousands of heavy skyscraper buildings made out of steel and glass and concrete. Oh and all the automobiles, millions of them that weigh millions of pounds? So you're saying that this "flat" Earth floats in space and just magically holds up all that weight?! Hahaha 

 

You continue to ignore magnetism also.

 

Are you not aware that there are many other corporations who dabble in space exploration besides NASA? This has been going on for over seventy years! This race to travel in outer space. And it actually was happening long before we were here.

 

Take a look at this list of aerospace and aircraft manufactures, it dates to 1977. So if Lockheed for example designed and engineered the SR71 back in the 50's and 60's, what do you think they have available TODAY?

 

The Military Industrial Complex and aerospace industry are anywhere from fifty to one hundred years AHEAD of what they show to the ignorant public.

 

I have posted so many videos on this site of various people within the industry, yet you haven't bothered to take the time to watch any of them, because if you did you would begin to understand that stuff is going on on a very high level that they really don't want most people to know about.

 

The Earth is not flat, as much as you want it to be, as much as you want other people to believe that nonsense, it is not. Not in the physical world. Maybe you are confusing astral plane with physical plane.

 

I have also offered to anyone who thinks that gravity is not real to go sky diving with me, yet no one has taken me up on the offer. Chickenshits.

 

I don't give a shit about freemasons either, they aren't a bunch of tossers.

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43 minutes ago, Messenger said:

AGAIN you completely avoided answering the easy question of why it takes less time for the same aircraft to fly east than it does west. Anyone with a functioning brain would realize that this is because the Earth is not at a standstill.

You can't be serious. Modern astronomy/nasa DOES NOT CLAIM THIS EITHER!

 

You do not even know the story you support.

 

Let me explain. The jet stream is the reason why east/west flights differ by a relatively small amount and NOT BECAUSE OF ANY AXIAL SPEED AT ALL! Please now, look it up. And not from some idiotic "debunking" site like too many here fall in love with. Go to a "legit" site. Check out what universities and even what nasa and their ilk claim. Your belief is ridiculous and is based on a purely mathematical construct that you clearly do not even understand.

 

If what you claim is true, then when flying with the supposed spin a plane would be doing their speed plus 1000 mph while planes in the other direction on the equator would be literally flying BACKWARDS!

 

Think before responding.

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2 hours ago, bflat said:

We are on the outside of a freemason's ball that spins on its axis at over 1000 mph... much faster than sound travels at

So what your saying is if you face   towards the direction of earths axial rotation on the equator  and you talk to someone they will be able to hear you but if you are facing the opposite direction and talk to some body they wouldn't be able hear you because the earth is spinning faster than the speed of sound ,and that is why the earth is flat??

You lot don't have a very good grasp on things relating to constant velocity and retaliative speed do you.

How are my questions going by the way ,still waiting

 

1 hour ago, Messenger said:

No, you're responding out of ignorance.  I'm not "triggered", I'm exposing a bunch of shills, or idiots, I haven't decided which you are yet.

I hope they're shills for their sake

 

58 minutes ago, bflat said:

If what you claim is true, then when flying with the supposed spin a plane would be doing their speed plus 1000 mph while planes in the other direction on the equator would be literally flying BACKWARDS!

Think before responding

Do as I say ,not as I do !? 

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1 hour ago, bflat said:

You can't be serious. Modern astronomy/nasa DOES NOT CLAIM THIS EITHER!

 

You do not even know the story you support.

 

Let me explain. The jet stream is the reason why east/west flights differ by a relatively small amount and NOT BECAUSE OF ANY AXIAL SPEED AT ALL! Please now, look it up. And not from some idiotic "debunking" site like too many here fall in love with. Go to a "legit" site. Check out what universities and even what nasa and their ilk claim. Your belief is ridiculous and is based on a purely mathematical construct that you clearly do not even understand.

 

If what you claim is true, then when flying with the supposed spin a plane would be doing their speed plus 1000 mph while planes in the other direction on the equator would be literally flying BACKWARDS!

 

Think before responding.

You mean the same universities who are towing the corona virus narrative? :classic_laugh: The same universities who are indoctrinating with socialist ideology? The same universities who have yet to teach doctors the importance of alkaline vs acidity in food so that they wouldn't have to prescribe big pharma poison? The same universities that were largely created and funded by rockefeller and carnegie, among other NWO stooges? Those universities?

 

What would you consider a "legit"  website?

 

Basic search of, "why it takes less time to fly west to east (I got it backwards, sorry). The very first response says:

 

"high-altitude air currents caused by atmospheric heating and the inertia of the earth's rotation—and they're the reason why flights from west to east are faster than the same route traversed in the opposite direction

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1 hour ago, bflat said:

Oh, and you completely missed the point that we don't feel movement because of "constant speed" is A LIE!

Speaking of movement, what are Earthquakes from then? Plates shifting under the crust of this alleged "flat" Earth? Why would plates need to shift if the Earth were flat?

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8 hours ago, Messenger said:

:classic_laugh: You don't feel the "hurtling" Earth's rotation because you are small in comparison to the size of Earth.

 

If the Earth didn't spin on its axis then the time it took an aircraft to fly across the country in one direction would be the same as it took to fly the opposite direction. The flight time from Chicago Illinois O'Hare (ORD) to Phoenix Arizona (PHX) takes more time than the flight from Phoenix to Chicago. WHY? You keep avoiding this question. It's because of the Earth's rotation. The aircraft is flying WITH the rotation heading west. When the aircraft is heading east the Earth is spinning towards the aircraft so there it takes less time to arrive at any destination on the east coast.

 

I know this is so difficult for small minds to comprehend but it's really not that difficult. This is like fifth grade level stuff and it's laughable that adults can't figure it out.

 

The Earth also doesn't "twist" around the galaxy, it orbits the sun due to magnetic energy and gyroscopic momentum, like a bicycle wheel in motion. If you roll a wheel down the street it will continue to roll as long as it moves. Once it stops moving it will likely fall over, unless it happens to be balanced perfect.

 

If the Earth is flat then why are there seasons? And HOW are there seasons if the Earth is flat?

Dude, 

 

Feeling the movement wasn't my point instead it is the implanted idea that there's no up or down , the planet and solar system are spinning and twisting through an ever expanding universe at hundreds of thousands miles per hour. It's to blast the psyche into insignificance

 

As your 1st point says , science teaches me that I am small and even more that I am insignificant

 

This Science is the abusive parent of knowledge , it's the belittler

 

It's the constant "you do not matter” 

 

So on your final point of the seasons , now 1st

 

The seasons are created by the constellations movement and more specifically the equinox's

There is no distinct weather shift at these dates so let's cut through this created dawn and dusk periods

 

With the Fe model the sun moves over the earth with a circular motion which decreases and increases its circumference

 

But I will acknowledge again, as before, this is a statement argument between spherist and Fe.

 

My point of the fear basis is your Varroa Destructor group, influencing all things to control and ultimately destroy people's psyche

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Never even heard of that group before as I haven't spent much time studying flat earth or sphere Earth. I learnt in fifth grade about the basics of the moon phase and seasons, and then never really questioned the Earth being anything other than a sphere because quite frankly, it made plenty of sense to me that it would be a sphere (with topography), since all the stars, the moon, and Mars, and Venus, all looked circular or "round" up in the sky.

 

It made plenty of sense to me that we get day and night from the Earth rotating on it's axis, and the seasons from orbiting the sun. This was back in 1980's when I was in fifth grade.

 

Then over the years I watched magazines like popular mechanics, Nexus, and others talk about the aircraft industry and all the latest and greatest hardware. Then in the 2000's after millions of people were able to share so much information thanks to the internet, including strange aircraft sightings and even alien abductions, the whole aircraft industry seemed to go "dark", or quiet. Jim Marrs even mentions this in one of his presentations, about how after the industry found "anti-gravity" the info went silent.

 

This to me is an indication that they are hiding something from the public. The fact that the US government, and other governments, have lied to people for decades about aliens, is suspicious enough. The fact that whistle blowers turn up dead or severely harassed causes more suspicion. William Cooper, talked about a craft that he saw come up out of the water, parting the water, and flying off in the sky, then returning, parting the water as if Moses were parting the sea, the craft tumbling 180 degress and then going back into the water. Then as he writes in his book about how agents had tried to kill him on numerous occasions for talking on his radio show, he changed his story. Like most people who talk, he probably had his family threatened by them.

 

These people in government are sickos, they are devoid of a conscience and empathy and sympathy. They can easily inflict physical harm to people and go about their day as if nothing happened. Same thing with Phil Schneider. And Karla Turner. And many other people who were courageous enough to share their experience.

 

And now as this rapid sharing of so much information is taking place thanks to the internet, the flat Earth bullshit springs up out of no where again after decades of people knowing finally that the Earth is a sphere because we have the photographs from space to prove it. Then a few years ago the high powered telescopes at schools suddenly shut down. Hmm, more suspicion that "they" are trying to hide something.

 

And when people put together all the pieces, Dulce underground biological lab nicknamed "Nightmare Hall", the various advanced craft that look completely unlike traditional aircraft, the cattle mutilations, the women talking about how they were pregnant and then suddenly not pregnant, or who were missing eggs, the people in Brazil who had small circular incisions on their skin as if something took a biopsy from them and then the commander to overseen the strange assault on the village turns up dead after sharing his notes with reporters.

 

All of this flat Earth bullshit signals to me a psyop, a cover up to hide what's really going on so that NWO government can keep this charade going on for as long as possible, milking humans every possible way energetically and physically, increasing taxes year after year, even though their matrix is unraveling right before everyone's eyes, most notably with Pizzagate, and now this corona bullshit with masks to stop people from talking and turn everyone into scared mindless slaves.

 

And tell me, why shoudl I spend my time to watch that video when you have yet to watch any of the presentations I've posted?

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Also, if the Earth is flat, why does the toilet water in Australia spin "backwards" compared to other parts of the planet?

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2 hours ago, Messenger said:

I have posted so many videos on this site of various people within the industry, yet you haven't bothered to take the time to watch any of them, because if you did you would begin to understand that stuff is going on on a very high level that they really don't want most people to know about.

 

Agreed! Could this be b/c of their planned fake alien invasion that so many believe will happen ?

 

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