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16 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The only thing that stinks about this forum are people who ignore moderators 'soft warnings' and stop discussing the topic at hand and rise to the 'baiting and gaslighting' and start attacking other members.

 

"Debate the opinion, don't attack the person"

 

Now, back on topic please...

This is the only forum I belong to and since I don't chat ,twit or fart book can some one please explain gaslighting to me,  excuse my stupidity but being an old prick I thought it was something used when out in the bush

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5 hours ago, peter said:

Well the first comment I would make is even known liars as you say tell the truth as well, what you are implying with that statement is that everything they say is a lie, which is obviously not the case and therefore how are you personally able to discern fact from fiction

I am sorry you took it that way. The point was that nasa is the authority and they have clearly been deceptive in the past. The video evidence for many of their hoaxes have been plastered across the internet. So, not everything, but enough to know they cannot be trusted. Have you ever been cheated on? Were you able to ever fully trust her again?

 

5 hours ago, peter said:

(The clincher for me that the model is correct was the discovery of Neptune which is the third largest planet in the solar system and was discovered by ,Galle in 1846 and is the only planet to be discovered by a mathematical prediction( by Verrier) as to it's presence due to the fact that Uranus had a slight wobble in its orbit around the sun . now if the model was not correct or bloody close to it the prediction about the existence of Neptune would not have been possible and therefore not discovered till much later I imagine, this occurrence would give credence to the existence of gravity as well)

I understand the narrative here, I just don't buy it, nor do I buy that you can know the distance and size of the sun and the moon by the above logic. They look the same size and appear at about the same distance. The rest is a story that is certainly easy (albeit with some obvious problems that are never spoken of) to have reverse engineered from the observed data as is the rest of their story.

 

https://preview.redd.it/l7lg1rlkf5z21.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=86e7eef944f8efd093600a21fa15796473fab8a6

That is what Neptune and Uranus actually do. If anything is being pulled by gravity, that brings us down an entire path of assumptions, nestled in logically fallacious reasoning that are taught as scientific fact.

 

What I find even more troubling is the fact that the sun and moon do the exact same thing, yet we are told we are moving around the sun and that the moon is moving around us?

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2005/APOD_Soponyai_Analemma_Moon.jpg

 

https://scienceblogs.com/files/startswithabang/files/2009/08/Analemma2.jpeg

 

This right here is inexplicable in your world, yet again works exactly and is what is to be expected with the sun and moon, both overhead, just as flat earthers have been pointing out since the 1800s.

 

 

On 9/28/2020 at 11:48 AM, peter said:

 

9 Its impossible to travel to antarctic because it is guarded and you would be turned away or shot

 

That is a straw man. I never said that. The treaty does play a role and explorers have been jailed for going there. The biggest problem as I see it is logistics. Food, fuel, and water just for starters, dealing with extreme cold must be considered too.

 

I did some investigating on this. I spent a morning calling private charter services to see if I could book a flight that would take me across Antarctica in their dead of summer from Santiago or Ushaia to Sydney so we could film the midnight sun, should it actually exist there. All the answers were the same. The cost was between 250,000 and 400,000 dollars and no pilot would guarantee to fly us over the south pole (the supposed shortest route based on 'great circles'). Nor would they confirm if we would be able to see this mythical sun.

 

Who knows what is happening? All we know is that all these supposed enemy countries who steal, rape and kill including the US, China and Russia are all signatories to the treaty for environmental purposes as they plot each other's destruction. I'm just not buying that either.

 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

 

Of course, comedy magnifying glasses below the Sun. Invisible of course and oddly able to track across the sky exactly with the magic non gravity moving sun, whilst adjusting speed and distance in time with it......this whilst the Sun magically stays the same and disappears from view when it is above eye level.

 

Why didn't you watch his first video? If you did, you know your claim is busted.

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16 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Who are these known liars and how are you so well informed that they are lying?

If they are the same distance, can you explain how the blazes a solar eclipse casts a 93 mile Umbra at the equator and it is stretched 621 miles near the poles?

 

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/umbra-shadow.html

If the Moon is at its closest to Earth (its perigee) during the eclipse, the Moon appears larger in the sky. In that case, the umbra's path across the Earth's surface typically has a width of roughly 150 km (93 mi) at the Earth's equator. At higher latitudes, the Sun's rays hit the Earth's surface at a shallower angle, so the umbra's size grows accordingly. During some total solar eclipses, the umbra's path width reaches over 1000 km (621 mi) at the poles. 

 

Can you draw me the ray diagram for it? The Sun MUST be at least 93 miles wide to cast the minimum shadow. Can you work out it's distance using some "math"? Or not, because it will extinguish your claim in one swift flash of mathematics!

 

Quick reminder about perspective and things above eye level.....for anyone who is confused.....

 

cletus.jpg

 

 

https://rsgb.org/main/technical/space-satellites/moonbounce/

https://w6trw.com/tag/eme/

https://www.chris.org/cgi-bin/jt65emeA

 

......millions of hits.......

 

They bounce radio waves off of the Moon. It takes 2.5 seconds to receive the signal back. Do the maths!

 

 

Why is @amy G /bflat ignoring things he cannot answer?

 

The Moon is inverted in the Southern hemisphere - explain.

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3 hours ago, amy G said:

I did some investigating on this. I spent a morning calling private charter services to see if I could book a flight that would take me across Antarctica in their dead of summer from Santiago or Ushaia to Sydney so we could film the midnight sun, should it actually exist there. All the answers were the same. The cost was between 250,000 and 400,000 dollars and no pilot would guarantee to fly us over the south pole (the supposed shortest route based on 'great circles'). Nor would they confirm if we would be able to see this mythical sun.

well the fact that you actually got a price indicates the the flights are available, and the fact pilots wouldn't guarantee going across the pole could be for any number of reasons ,mainly weather I suspect and icing conditions on the wings,or maybe it is an accuracy problem  ,meaning right over the south pole or would plus of minus 20 miles be good enough

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3 hours ago, amy G said:

This right here is inexplicable in your world, yet again works exactly and is what is to be expected with the sun and moon, both overhead, just as flat earthers have been pointing out since the 1800s.

Sorry I don't buy pictures with superimposed moons on them and as far as the plates of the orbits go how old are ,how accurate are they ,who produced them and Considering plate 4 ,I have never heard of planet Juno before , and quite frankly they look like patterns produced on an old etch-a-sketch  I used to play with a kid .

So to use your words ,I just don't buy it

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3 minutes ago, peter said:

Sorry I don't buy pictures with superimposed moons on them and as far as the plates of the orbits go how old are ,how accurate are they ,who produced them and Considering plate 4 ,I have never heard of planet Juno before , and quite frankly they look like patterns produced on an old etch-a-sketch  I used to play with a kid .

So to use your words ,I just don't buy it

 

Juno is a big asteroid, correct name '3 Juno' being the 3rd one to be discovered.

Those plates of the paths the planets trace in the sky are almost certainly correct.

They are of course made by observations by a person on earth.

The observations have to cover many years to see the complete pattern for any particular planet.

All those twizzly bits are because all of the planets and the earth sort of twizzle around the sun...

Ergo a delightful proof of a globe earth and the heliocentric solar system.

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1 hour ago, peter said:

well the fact that you actually got a price indicates the the flights are available, and the fact pilots wouldn't guarantee going across the pole could be for any number of reasons ,mainly weather I suspect and icing conditions on the wings,or maybe it is an accuracy problem  ,meaning right over the south pole or would plus of minus 20 miles be good enough

Of course, we just need to film the midnight sun. If it is real, I will see it and then I will be left pondering why every single video claiming to show a 24 hour midnight sun in Antarctica is faked.

 

1 hour ago, peter said:

Sorry I don't buy pictures with superimposed moons on them and as far as the plates of the orbits go how old are ,how accurate are they ,who produced them and Considering plate 4 ,I have never heard of planet Juno before , and quite frankly they look like patterns produced on an old etch-a-sketch  I used to play with a kid .

So to use your words ,I just don't buy it

gp was mostly correct, but these perfect patterns you see could never happen in their big bang fantasy.

Here's a fun site you can play around with to confirm that this is what these wandering stars, these fantastic lights do.

http://gerdbreitenbach.de/planet/planet.html

 

And the "superimposed moons?" None of that was faked in any way. I understand why you would think that, but that was taken by the award winning astronomer and astrophotagrapher, Gyorgy Soponyai.

 

The sun and moon are right above us and doing exactly what they appear to do. 🙂

 

 

On 9/28/2020 at 11:48 AM, peter said:

10 there is no progression of the zodiac

Feel free to respond again to the above or start us off with whatever evidence you have, for or against, this progression of the zodiac.

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1 hour ago, amy G said:

I will be left pondering why every single video claiming to show a 24 hour midnight sun in Antarctica is faked

 

It all depends on the time of year as to which Pole has the Midnight Sun. 

By your posts am I to assume that you don't believe in the 'Midnight Sun'? 

 

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12 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

What are you trying to reveal with your picture Zark & how does it relate to the video I posted.

 

 

the video No sunset on a flat earth didnt think enough about it

the images i posted answered carlos's image  tenor.gif

and that video "no sunset on a flat earth" follows the same logic as carlos's gif

the image i posted dome2.jpg.a4adef7007fa549a6753df5bff2657da.jpg

 

shows that the flat earth model with a sun orbiting , maintaining night and day as observed, is entirely possible and can be demonstrated

 

so thats why i re-posted the image because your video was the exact same thing carlos challenged with and thus required the exact same response

 

but.... you know this because you wrote 'rinse and repeat' and peter knows as well

so... the BIG question is ... why are you deliberately reposting the same question over and over when it has been responded to previously?

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OK, so trying to steer this topic away from arguments about the size of the sun and the moon, trignometry and maths etc.

 

I have a genuine question for the 'flat earthers', regarding 'seasons'.

 

Modern science tells us that the earth rotates on its axis and orbits the Sun, taking 365.4 days to transit around the Sun. However the Earth's axis is 'tilted', which means that for half of the year, more of one hemisphere is facing the Sun than the other is. This gives us 'seasons' in both hemispheres, as well as why the daylight length increases and reduces. And at the polar regions, they can for near three months experience either near constant daylight or darkness.

 

Regions closest to the Equator, rarely experience much change in their climate, as they stay pretty much the same distance from the Sun all year round. As you travel further north or south from the equator, we have more 'temperate climates zones', with more defined seasons - ie it gets warmer during the summer months and colder during the winter months.

 

Now we can argue all we like about whether NASA and other scientists and mathematicians are basically 'lying about everything', I'm ready to listen to all possibilities. I can accept the above explanation from my own understanding as true, it certainly makes sense to me.

 

What I haven't come across yet is any feasible explanation as to how the concept of seasons works on any flat earth model.

 

So perhaps someone could enlighten me. Preferably in their own words, rather than copying and pasting stuff from elsewhere or providing some overlong and overwrought Youtube video.

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38 minutes ago, zArk said:

the video No sunset on a flat earth didnt think enough about it

the images i posted answered carlos's image  tenor.gif

and that video "no sunset on a flat earth" follows the same logic as carlos's gif

the image i posted dome2.jpg.a4adef7007fa549a6753df5bff2657da.jpg

 

shows that the flat earth model with a sun orbiting , maintaining night and day as observed, is entirely possible and can be demonstrated

 

so thats why i re-posted the image because your video was the exact same thing carlos challenged with and thus required the exact same response

 

but.... you know this because you wrote 'rinse and repeat' and peter knows as well

so... the BIG question is ... why are you deliberately reposting the same question over and over when it has been responded to previously?

 

Been debunked previously or a few times now & is complete nonsense like your map, which was never designed to be a true representation of the Earth as ive clearly pointed out too many times now.

 

Most obviously as different places at different latitudes measure different angles of the suns elevation on the equinox

,The sun clearly rises during the day & clearly sets at night,,doesn't fade off into the distance. No amount of bullshit can change this.

 

 

Plus I lost count how many times Comedy has posted how to work out the Suns distance on here yet hasent got one response from either of you. SO yes Zark you rinse & repeat again & again.

Do you troll for fun or are you paid per post to make this forum look dumb.

I see BFake also posting videos that hold no relation to the topic or prove anything now also.

Very strange behaviour on this thread & admins allow it.

 

But then im talking to somebody who tries to tell the forum what we see during an eclipse is not actually the moon & trolls the forum for about 10 pages trying to make this a reality.

Accept you dont actually explain what it really is or give any alternative model to prove your rubbish or try & recreate on the flat map.

 

I recommend any of this guys videos totally spells out how looney tunes what you are trying to promote here is.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, gregory-peccary said:

 

Juno is a big asteroid, correct name '3 Juno' being the 3rd one to be discovered.

Those plates of the paths the planets trace in the sky are almost certainly correct.

They are of course made by observations by a person on earth.

The observations have to cover many years to see the complete pattern for any particular planet.

All those twizzly bits are because all of the planets and the earth sort of twizzle around the sun...

Ergo a delightful proof of a globe earth and the heliocentric solar system.

 

for a musical version of the earth and Venus and those patterns try this from Sound Cloud:-

https://soundcloud.com/nanoharmony/earth-and-venus-beats-wave-function

 

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go find a real image of the earth from one of your satellites that are proclaimed to be in orbit (gotta admit the real time rendering of the earth into a globe image is impressive ) the glitch in the recent  orbital video was another example of how the sphere model discredits itself.

 

the spherist model crumbles in the face of its own conflicting calculations and brushes off the unique events as abberations on itself

 

the lake laser experiments hasnt been answered by spherists because there is no sphere answer

 

 

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12 minutes ago, zArk said:

go find a real image of the earth from one of your satellites that are proclaimed to be in orbit (gotta admit the real time rendering of the earth into a globe image is impressive ) the glitch in the recent  orbital video was another example of how the sphere model discredits itself.

 

the spherist model crumbles in the face of its own conflicting calculations and brushes off the unique events as abberations on itself

 

the lake laser experiments hasnt been answered by spherists because there is no sphere answer

 

 

 

Watch the second video I posted, recording GPS on a long haul trip in the middle of the Pacific at 40,000ft.

Explain how is possible without GPS Satellites.

Of course pilots do this on every flight anyway, same as ships.

All Masons tho must be a logical fallacy, no compute.🙄

 

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1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 I can accept the above explanation from my own understanding as true, it certainly makes sense to me.

Did you know that in the northern hemisphere, the sun is actually farther away than during our winter? And with this tilt of 66.6 degrees that everyone talks about, would that not make 23.6 degrees north latitude the hottest area and not the equator? And do really believe, now that you are thinking of this, that the heat from the sun which has journeyed almost 100 million miles and covers much of the northern hemisphere with temperatures over 100 degrees, cannot journey a few more thousand miles allowing for temperatures simultaneously far below zero?

 

As far as how this works perfectly on a flat plane is pretty basic. The sun makes circles around the center point of our plane or what you call the north pole. The sun will do this once every 24 hour as she journeys between the tropics of Capricorn and Cancer. This is what we see. This explains the differences in the lengths or our days and the seasons as well.

 

Sun and Moon Equal Divine Balanced Opposites Sun-MoonSmall

 

Now, with all due respect, I have asked for the now locked reference thread to be updated with the debunks that have been posted and I have yet to see that happen. If this place is about the free exchange of ideas, then it makes no sense to have debunked information locked to the top of a forum, especially discussing the so called nature of reality. I showed his dishonest memes for what they were. His dishonest videos, his making up numbers to use in equations that ignore reality and then arguing with himself and all the while ignoring every piece of evidence to that shows his fallacious reasoning and illogical arguments for what they are. And all this as he continues to whine at everyone that we are afraid of his scary questions?

 

No one is afraid of anything. If you feel like he has offered one legitimate point that needs to still be answered, I'm game, but you will not find one. Take that to the bank.

 

Since I began showing his argument for how ridiculous it was, and because this is based on all known laws of perspective, please add this to the growing list of what needs to be posted over there for reference.

 

 

Thanks.

 

https://s3.amazonaws.com/wetcanvas-hdc/Community/images/12-Mar-2018/974528-horizon-line-in-a-scene.jpg

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5 minutes ago, amy G said:

As far as how this works perfectly on a flat plane is pretty basic. The sun makes circles around the center point of our plane or what you call the north pole. The sun will do this once every 24 hour as she journeys between the tropics of Capricorn and Cancer. This is what we see. This explains the differences in the lengths or our days and the seasons as well.

 

 

 

No sorry, that doesn't explain seasons at all. If right now, days are longer (and cooler) in northern Europe (where I am right now) than they are in Australia or South Africa, how is this possible?

 

Please just try and answer the question or address the point, without trying to divert.

13 minutes ago, amy G said:

Sun and Moon Equal Divine Balanced Opposites Sun-MoonSmall

 

 

So how does this happen?

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