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24 minutes ago, amy G said:

You keep saying this even after learning that this is you making up anything you want and then arguing with yourself?

 

Flat earther society say 3000. The one response I got said 3000 to 6000. All over the internet that 3000 mile figure gets bandied about.

 

@amy G Why don't you tell us the sodding distance to the Sun huh? 

 

I will use simple mathematics to prove it is horseshit.

 

24 minutes ago, amy G said:

You have been going on for pages with this too. Have you ever looked? I mean honestly looked. I know you have not. You work off a script and your script writers cherry pick certain points and hope that no one will look. It is a vicious circle.

 

 

OMFG - are you seriously saying that the Sun changes size now? 

 

I've been all over the world in my time - it is the same in America, Australia, Thailand all over Europe, Africa and in the middle of any ocean I've traversed. It never changes size whatsoever during the whole day, sunrise to sunset. NOBODY with eyes can dispute this obvious fact.

 

Look up anywhere in the world. Half a degree of angular diameter. Watch it rise...1/2 a degree. Watch it set 1/2 a degree.

 

24 minutes ago, amy G said:

Is it fair to say that if I could prove we see these objects at obviously different sizes, then the entire heliocentric model would need to be rethought?

 

Yes. Knock yourself out. Kindly don't use bullshit videos that show the light blooming on the lens - because that is the kind of dishonest shit that flat earth videos excel at.

 

 

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On 9/22/2020 at 5:52 AM, Comedy Time said:

 

Are you familiar with how the paper collated the results!? It's like a comedy routine, with you suggesting that all of a sudden you are an academic and understand things when you have been presented with simple trigonometry detailing the motion of the Sun and ignored it.

 

Your paper written by suitably clever people uses SATELLITES that orbit the planet to derive data in gravity variations. They also use VLBI in BOTH hemispheres to establish milliarcsecond variations for time references. That would suggest they aren't glued on to a frickin' dome!! They also are building a gravitational global reference. That suggests they believe in gravity and understand it a little.

 

 

"We"?  It's a problem of minutiae. The Earth is not an even planet and consequently gravitational variances alter its motion very slightly.

 

 

There is no problem at all. Astronomers all know about light refraction and the only detrimental factor involved is observation of stars closer to the horizon. I posted a number of resources that gave brilliant mathematical constants and formulae to adjust refraction amounts. 

 

https://aty.sdsu.edu/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html

https://aty.sdsu.edu/mirages/mirsims/std/std.html

https://aty.sdsu.edu/mirages/mirsims/loom/loom.html

 

 

They didn't have the technology available today.  How ancient do you want to go? Copernicus established that things were how they are by simple observation!

https://cseligman.com/text/sky/retrograde.htm

 

 

 

You are confused here. I'm not sure you understood the conversation I was having with @Grumpy Owl. And you won't find this on your script.

 

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Anthem_Veterans_Memorial_(15585427880)_crop.jpg/413px-Anthem_Veterans_Memorial_(15585427880)_crop.jpg

 

Their Great Seal will be illuminated at 11:11:11 AM every November 11th (11/11) and will only vary less than a second for the next century. They do love their numbers.

 

The best part of this proof is its simplicity. You can pull numbers from anywhere you like and you cannot make this happen in the heliocentric world.

 

In this world it works perfectly as this was patented in several countries as a time calculator!

https://pictures.abebooks.com/SANDCAT/20793253712.jpg

 

It's flat and immovable.

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36 minutes ago, amy G said:

You work off a script and your script writers cherry pick certain points and hope that no one will look.

 

I don't have a script and I don't employ script writers. Debunking flat earth shite is child's play. Ignoring it is what flat earthers do best.

 

The Sun at closest point - how far away is it?

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2 minutes ago, amy G said:

You are confused here. I'm not sure you understood the conversation I was having with @Grumpy Owl. And you won't find this on your script.

 

Nope. I have no confusion or script. Your personal references are not welcome - nobody writes me a script. 

 

2 minutes ago, amy G said:

Their Great Seal will be illuminated at 11:11:11 AM every November 11th (11/11) and will only vary less than a second for the next century. They do love their numbers.

 

The best part of this proof is its simplicity. You can pull numbers from anywhere you like and you cannot make this happen in the heliocentric world.

 

What an absurd crock. The Sun comes back to the same point each year. Variations over time create the procession effect so that's why they only guarantee it for 100 years. It will start to go off a tiny bit each year. Your magic flying spotlight on the flat earth disappears every day full size.

 

EXPLAIN.

 

2 minutes ago, amy G said:

It's flat and immovable.

 

LMAO - no it isn't. Why do you keep avoiding direct questions and mathematics?

How far away is the Sun?

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

the angular diameter of the Sun is 0.5. FACT

thats your truth and thats great but please clarify that your assertion requires distance to object and object diameter

you also require there to be a direct line of sight to the Sun, rather than a refracted image of the Sun being observed

3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

Notwithstanding that everybody who is not blind can see that the Sun and Moon are more or less the same sizes and they never change.

distance, object diameter and angular diameter are unknowns

 

they moon and sun appear to be the same diameter and you can assume the size is the same

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Look at you, yet again with bullshit obfuscation and ignoring the content! I have told you quite clearly the angular diameter was used as a visual reference and can be ignored - yet here you are again with more piffle.

 

13 minutes ago, zArk said:

thats your truth and thats great but please clarify that your assertion requires distance to object and object diameter

 

No it does not! It is not an assertion it is an indisputable fact. The Sun occupies 0.5 degrees of angular diameter in the sky. 

Now you CAN compute the angular diameter with distance and diameter, but since we already have a field of reference, the 180 degrees of visible sky, it is simply a matter of how much of this it takes up.

 

13 minutes ago, zArk said:

you also require there to be a direct line of sight to the Sun, rather than a refracted image of the Sun being observed

 

What the hell are you talking about??? The sun comes out, there's direct line of sight! Refracted image? Oh ffs you aren't going to put up your nonsensical magic magnifying glass that follows it around the sky magically making it the same size in all directions, all times, all distances. Please don't, the flying replacement moon "eclipse pizza" was bad enough!

 

13 minutes ago, zArk said:

distance, object diameter and angular diameter are unknowns

 

Irrelevant. They are "unknown" to flat earthers. They are known to students of actual reality.

 

13 minutes ago, zArk said:

they moon and sun appear to be the same diameter and you can assume the size is the same

 

You can assume what you want if you are staring where the sun doesn't actually shine, but with numerous observational things .... we can bounce radio signals off of the Moon at 2.5 seconds light travel and astronomers can work out simple things like watching the Earth pass between the Sun and Moon and forming lunar eclipses, knowledge that appears to have escaped you tells us otherwise.

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Flat earther society say 3000. The one response I got said 3000 to 6000. All over the internet that 3000 mile figure gets bandied about.

The fes are shills who go off scripts from the same people as you. I know this from your shtick of plagiarizing the debunking sites. This was already explained to you. This is what I mean by "arguing with yourself."

 

32 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

@amy G Why don't you tell us the sodding distance to the Sun huh?

Because I have learned to be fine with "I don't know."

 

33 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

OMFG - are you seriously saying that the Sun changes size now? 

You were talking of the apparent size.

 

34 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Yes. Knock yourself out. Kindly don't use bullshit videos that show the light blooming on the lens - because that is the kind of dishonest shit that flat earth videos excel at.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-the-moon-and-the-s/

This is just one part of your confusion.

 

22 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

What an absurd crock. The Sun comes back to the same point each year. Variations over time create the procession effect so that's why they only guarantee it for 100 years. It will start to go off a tiny bit each year. Your magic flying spotlight on the flat earth disappears every day full size.

That is why I posted the math that you did not understand and none of your links could predict refraction in the future, let alone at a specific time, years down the road.

 

You have been brainwashed by freemasonry since childhood into  absurd beliefs. I was there a short time ago so I know.

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35 minutes ago, amy G said:

https://pictures.abebooks.com/SANDCAT/20793253712.jpg

 

It's flat and immovable.

This map came up 40 pages ago and that wasn't the first time either . I knew you lot had to be running out of shit as  dumb utube videos and memes are now being regurgitated at an astonishing rate.

Who was it that said the height of idiocy is to do the same thing over and over and  expect a different outcome ( or words to that effect)

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5 minutes ago, peter said:

This map came up 40 pages ago and that wasn't the first time either . I knew you lot had to be running out of shit as  dumb utube videos and memes are now being regurgitated at an astonishing rate.

Who was it that said the height of idiocy is to do the same thing over and over and  expect a different outcome ( or words to that effect)

I posted it as a time calculator which it was patented for in several countries.

 

Your confusion is like ct's in that you didn't understand the discussion you were commenting on. Go back to the discussion with @Grumpy Owl to understand this.

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8 minutes ago, amy G said:

Because I have learned to be fine with "I don't know."

 

Apply that to everything about this subject.

 

8 minutes ago, amy G said:

You were talking of the apparent size.

 

Bullshit, no I wasn't. 

 

8 minutes ago, amy G said:

 

 

Nope. There is nothing confusing about an optical illusion. Irony, the damn thing is now BIGGER farther away. LMAO.

 

8 minutes ago, amy G said:

That is why I posted the math that you did not understand and none of your links could predict refraction in the future, let alone at a specific time, years down the road.

 

You have posted jack shit that you yourself understand. You posted a link to a paper that determines gravitational variances to work out Earth motion differences. It uses astronomical bearings and gravity, neither of which work in the land of flat :classic_rolleyes:

 

Nothing can predict variances in refraction, but so bloody what? This is all flat earthers have...."yeah....look I can see more than I should".

 

Reasons explained. The maths in the references was obviously way above your understanding as was the straightforward and concise explanation.

 

8 minutes ago, amy G said:

You have been brainwashed by freemasonry since childhood into  absurd beliefs. I was there a short time ago so I know.

 

No I wasn't. I suggest you quit with the personal references. I find it ironic that flat earther calls normality absurd.

 

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3 minutes ago, amy G said:

I posted it as a time calculator which it was patented for in several countries.

 

Your confusion is like ct's in that you didn't understand the discussion you were commenting on. Go back to the discussion with @Grumpy Owl to understand this.

 

I fully understand this nonsensical diversion. The thing won't work indefinitely. 

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3 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Bullshit, no I wasn't. 

Ok, we agree. You wasted 20 pages for nothing.

 

4 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

You have posted jack shit that you yourself understand. You posted a link to a paper that determines gravitational variances to work out Earth motion differences. It uses astronomical bearings and gravity, neither of which work in the land of flat :classic_rolleyes:

 

Nothing can predict variances in refraction, but so bloody what? This is all flat earthers have...."yeah....look I can see more than I should".

 

Reasons explained. The maths in the references was obviously way above your understanding as was the straightforward and concise explanation.

No, you didn't understand that there are variables that cannot be predicted with any certainty at all, thus heliocentrism is falsified.

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34 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Look at you, yet again with bullshit obfuscation and ignoring the content! I have told you quite clearly the angular diameter was used as a visual reference and can be ignored - yet here you are again with more piffle.

 

for goodness sake you used it to create a calculation and issued a statement based upon that result
 

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I did a quick analysis showing that the Sun according to flat earthers is 3000 miles up and MUST be 85,000 miles away when it is 2 degrees above the horizon, 4 sun widths.

But hey, let's do 1 sun width 1/2 degree - just touching the horizon (ignoring refraction):

 

http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

a=3000

A=0.5

From observer to the sun is............................................ 344,000 bloody miles!!!!

 

 

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How does the Sun set with no size change? It's fairly straight forward.

 

nothing is ever straight forward. Question everything

 

 

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This should be the end of this, but the real power has too much at stake. There will never be honesty from those who push freemasonry and this is really what we are dealing with here.

 

This:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Anthem_Veterans_Memorial_(15585427880)_crop.jpg/413px-Anthem_Veterans_Memorial_(15585427880)_crop.jpg

 

Can happen perfectly here:

https://pictures.abebooks.com/SANDCAT/20793253712.jpg

 

And never here:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQfkJJPe9XMbn25FJiM2NRfbrr__famqz2YGA&usqp=CAU

 

How do we know this?

 

The Earth's tensor of inertia calculations were posted to show why heliocentrism claims the magnetic pole is moving, and this is not constant. The claim that the movement is not enough to notice is completely false and we know this. The effective change on our axis of rotation is far too significant.

 

@Comedy Time

Can you figure the distance between two points on a sphere? There are calculators available to do this for you if need be.

 

Please tell us the distance between 85.4°N 137.4°W and 85.7°N 142.5°W and also between 85.0°N 132.8°W and 86.4°N 169.8°E.

 

1 hour ago, Comedy Time said:

The Sun comes back to the same point each year.

You can only show this on our flat plane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, amy G said:

I posted it as a time calculator which it was patented for in several countries.

 

Your confusion is like ct's in that you didn't understand the discussion you were commenting on. Go back to the discussion with @Grumpy Owl to understand this.

 

@bflat

Ive pointed this out to you a few times before, but you just regurgitate it again..now in a new name pretending to be a girl & new to flat Earth how many other alters do you have on this forum I wonder?

 

“The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.” —US Patent No. 497,917 by Alexander Gleason

 

https://patents.google.com/patent/US497917

 

 

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Just a question on flat Earth map above. Why is the so called Antartica surround us a standard circle mostly except in places to the left/ top left, where it seems to be more map like definition? Is this something implying that that the other areas have never been surveyed?

i have sailed in Antartica waters to the south of South Africa. Seen Antartica etc. I saw at the time the Captain sailing based up maps And charts of the area. Coastline clearly marked but not in flat earth model above.

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2 hours ago, amy G said:

Ok, we agree. You wasted 20 pages for nothing.

 

You and I agree on nothing dearie. As for wasting 20 pages, you have been ignoring all the difficult stuff and it was for the benefit of those able to assess information.

 

2 hours ago, amy G said:

No, you didn't understand that there are variables that cannot be predicted with any certainty at all, thus heliocentrism is falsified.

 

One of the dumbest statements imaginable. It's like the weirdest non-sequitur you can get.

 

The weather system at the horizon is varied and changeable therefore you are standing upside down with your thumb up your butt would be equally as accurate.Tell me you aren't doing that!

 

 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

for goodness sake you used it to create a calculation and issued a statement based upon that result

 

 

NO I DID NOT! How many more times are you going to demonstrate this awful grasp of comprehension? I posted it in a direct response to YOU 6 hours ago....you QUOTE IT and then bloody ignore it again.

 

The Sun is 1/2 degree above the horizon:

 

http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

a=3000

A=0.5

From observer to the sun is............................................ 344,000 bloody miles away!

 

P.S. If we use your (Nobby Nobody''s) other figure of 6,000 miles that shit gets way, way worse! Again 1/2 degree above the horizon.........

 

http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

a=6000

A=0.5

From observer to the sun is............................................688,000 bloody miles!!!!

 

POINT OUT where the problem is - show me how the angular diameter is being used there!!

 

1 hour ago, zArk said:

nothing is ever straight forward. Question everything

 

Pathetic dude, real pathetic. The nature of questioning everything relies on finding answers - and you keep avoiding the damn questions anyway.

 

Question everything:

How far away CAN the Sun be for it to work on a stupid flat earth? 

Answers and consequences:

There is no distance where a magic spotlight illuminates half a circle.

There is no path that allows the same speed and size to be maintained.

There is no way whatsoever an object can disappear due to perspective without it changing size.

There is no mechanism where an object ABOVE eye-line can drop below it without it changing elevation to below eye-line.

There is no possibility for the Earth to get between the Sun and Moon....yet it provably does.

There is no possibility of any single one of the current crop of flat earthers to debate honestly and give genuine responses.

 

 

 

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@alexa @amy G @zArk @dollazNdiamond

 

Scenario: The bottom edge of the Sun is almost hitting the horizon. This means that it is "x" miles above the "flat earth" directly above that point it is disappearing into. From the observer the angle is 0.01 of a degree a fraction above horizon. Not one of the flat earthers can now give a figure of how far the Sun is because of course that lays them wide open to simple trigonometry to destroy their claim completely.

 

SO. Let's get really silly shall we? Mount Everest is 5.5 miles high  - we shall substitute x for 5.5 miles. Nobody is THAT dumb to claim the Sun is below the damn mountain - but shall we work it out anyway?

 

http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

A= 0.01 degrees

a=5.5 miles

 

The Frickin' Sun is 31 500 miles away!

 

 

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8 hours ago, alexa said:

 

So the sun isn't real then ?

......

 

Yes She is though another way to say it would be to say She is as real as you or I.

 

8 hours ago, alexa said:

 

.......

 

 Ecclesiastes 1:5

The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

 

That's the apparent view of what the Sun appears to be doing relative to Earth.

 

Relative to the galaxy however She is rising and falling through the galactic plane in a spiralling motion (the serpentine dance) affected by gravity and powerful electomagnetic forces (and possibly other influences) and hurries round the galaxy at faster than the currently expected velocity making a complete lap every 250 million years or so. That's a year to the Sun so dinosaur extinction was like three months ago before She was born from the womb of space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, serpentine said:

being alive is not the same as awareness or consciousness.

 

Isn't it ?

 

Yesterday I was doing some esoteric exercises, feeling the surface of the body and then the bones internally, and then differentiating the emotional feelings and the physical sense of the body.  All very interesting.  And all very different to the 5 external senses with which we experience the outer world.  We have internal senses to experience the psycho somatic organism.

But ... few people realise this.  They use the word "I feel" to mean any of those things, the physical sense of the body, emotional feeling, energetic feeling ... there is no understanding of all the particular layers we experience.

Is this important ?
Yes ... it is.  In some languages they have particular words to differentiate between these different internal senses we have, and because they have words then they are aware of the different layers of sensation they have, and they are part of the culture.  In the West these are lost and now people use "feel" for just about everything.

And we live in a smaller world as a result.

Most humans currently live in a very small world because they are not taught to experience things on a wider field, even the words have been removed from the language.

They see not God or eternity because ... the language has changed to conceal other parts of life that we should be aware of.

 

What is the difference between a man of the past and that of today.

Very little but we live in different worlds according to the education we receive, not education like the capital of Kenya, but education of the different planes of experience we have within us.

If we don't know it we won't feel it.

The loss of such extended worlds, of an understanding transcendant to Earth, are probably the real cause for the collapse of civilizations ... it is not because a hero or villain did this and that.  

It is due to changes in the internal state of people in that region that causes it to collapse, a narrowing of their experience of life.

Humans are very ignorant of such things.

 

If the culture knows about supports and speaks about extended aspects of our experiencing field then naturally we will incorporate it into our lives every day.

If not ... that part of us is unknown or dead.

We have fallen far and are pretty much animals now, we know nothing that we should know.

 

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