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21 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

Exactly, I'm sorry you have been through so much ND yet have the guts to stand up for what you believe...admirable.  

 

I have an auto immune disorder, and have flown inside of seven commercial planes in the last 10 months. Several public shuttle journeys, train and taxis. Not wearing a mask. Not sanitizing...Not avoiding touching door handles etc. Enjoyed Christmas against the 'rules' and like you carrying on regardless. Like you say...where's the virus? Let alone a mutated version. 

 

I should have added that in the three years after the assault on my immune system by the hospital  I had TWO bouts of shingles, TWO bouts of gout and caught chickenpox!

I have since healed it through good diet and daily intake of probiotics such as Kefir milk and the raw honey and garlic I make myself.

I have also taken vitamin D,  Turmeric and CoQ10 capsules daily for the past two years plus my wife makes chicken and beef bone broths twice a week.

I also drink a litre of PURE cherry juice every three days....expensive but it kills the uric acid that causes gout.

I strongly recommend all of them.

 

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The number of people who have told me they have had covid and gone on to say how it was just like the flu.  Feck off ya muppets you've just had the flu.  I know of no-one who has died from "it".

 

They just repeating like a parrot what the doctor's told them.

 

Patient: I don't feel well

Doctor: You've got covid

Patient (to the world): I've got covid

Then later when they've got over it..

Patient: I've had covid.

 

MUPPET. FLU.

 

There has been no excess mortality in UK or in the USA. The ONS figures cannot lie.  If this virus was real there would be excess mortality. That means covid deaths in ADDITION to those dying from other causes.  Not INSTEAD of.

 

The whole thing is a scam. I am sick of it.

 

Saw a good meme the other day.

 

If this pandemic were real, people wouldn't be arguing over whether it was real or not.

 

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15 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

I should have added that in the three years after the assault on my immune system by the hospital  I had TWO bouts of shingles, TWO bouts of gout and caught chickenpox!

I have since healed it through good diet and daily intake of probiotics such as Kefir milk and the raw honey and garlic I make myself.

I have also taken vitamin D,  Turmeric and CoQ10 capsules daily for the past two years plus my wife makes chicken and beef bone broths twice a week.

I also drink a litre of PURE cherry juice every three days....expensive but it kills the uric acid that causes gout.

I strongly recommend all of them.

 

Its also good when you have aStong mind over matter!

I see my immune system like George Catlin:

 

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52 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

Well I'm 72 this year and have many health issues.

I suffered a heart attack at 52 and then developed left sided heart failure at 57.

I have chronic kidney disease and peripheral artery disease....5 years ago I had an operation for an aortic aneurism that went horribly wrong due to the absolute ineptitude of my consultant and ended up with sepsis on a dialysis machine fighting for my life in intensive care for ten days.

They had to poison my body with a barrage of antibiotics that ended up with me developing peripheral neuropathy in the feet that  has left my mobility very compromised.

So I think we can safely say that I have underlying health issues.......Since all this covid crap started last March I have never worn a mask and have never shielded or isolated.....I have carried on as normal, seeing my family and friends, I cuddle my grandkids, I have gone shopping at least three or four times a week with the wife touching trolley handles and not once have I used a hand sanitiser....I don't do the social distancing nonsense and will not be tested, let alone jabbed with the genocide liquid.

So perhaps you or Ergo could explain to me why I haven't caught this 'virus'.

Should I not be dead by now?

 

I honestly don't see your point, sorry.  Infection coverage will never be 100% within the community.  Just because you have underlying health issues and haven't suffered symptoms, that doesn't mean there isn't a virus or illness that can be contracted.  

 

I appreciate that there is a debate over whether a virus has been isolated.  I am not a medical doctor or virologist, etc.  My approach to this is that I don't need to argue that there is no virus, I can just adopt a working assumption that there is and I only need to point out that the official response to the virus is completely disproportionate.  That's enough.  It's a strong position in its own right.  It also has the advantage that it comes across as realistic. 

 

My training is in the law and I am used to constructing arguments and attacking other people's.  My approach is that you attack at the line of least resistance.  If you go round saying there is no virus, nobody will listen to you.  If, on the other hand, you say there is a virus and an illness but the reaction to it is out of proportion, it comes across as more of a reasonable and grounded position.

 

I don't really want to start an argument.  I am entitled to my view, you are entitled to yours.  Our conclusions converge on the same point, it's just that we start from different positions.

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I guess if there has been an increase of seasonal colds/flu people getting ill..

 

It could be caused by..

 

The overuse of hand gel and hand washing lowering your immune system over time.

People become obsessive with cleaning and using heaps of chemicals...lowering their immune system even more.

 

The mental health factors lowering your immune system and manifesting symptoms.

 

I also think people are talking about it more if they have such a bug, making it look like there is something bad going on for their own gain. Gains them a hero status lol.

 

So I think that could be why we are hearing/seeing more than before.

 

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1 hour ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

 

You may hear of people so say contracting 'it'. But what are they actually getting?  Seems to me so long as you get a positive test anything you have becomes covid. Acute bronchitis, pleurisy and pneumonia to name but a few usual respiratory ailments seem to have disappeared. Why do you think that is? May e they've all applied by deed poll to change their names?

 

I agree with all of that, but I think you're conflating two different points.  I accept it is inductively logical to conclude that if testing is skewed or unreliable, then there is no discrete virus isolated and falsifiable under sterile conditions using scientific methods.   But logic can sometimes lead you to the wrong answer, and in this case, the logical conclusion does not take account of an important nuance.

 

It is possible that there is a virus but that the retail testing is unreliable and exaggerates the extent of infection in the community through false positives and by intentional or reckless misdiagnosis of respiratory and flu-like illnesses as Covid-19.

 

The core reason why I believe it is more likely than not that there is a virus is due to my expectation of how organised official deception works.  It would be far too risky for them to invent a virus.  Why take such a risk when they can just select a real virus and generate hysteria about it?  I am putting myself in their shoes here.  If I was organising this lie machine, this massive deception, then the latter approach makes far more sense.

 

I think I've made this comment before: the most effective/believable lies contain a large amount of truth.

 

Think about it this way - If there is a real virus, they have a fall-back position.  They can turn round and say, 'Ah, see, the virus is real, and people really are getting sick'.  They can also easily ridicule anybody who denies the existence of a virus.

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Here's a tale which illustrates the horrendous damage this scam is perpetuating. We have a friend who comes from a large extended family. Said friend is divorced an lives alone with her dog. She does not buy into the covid hype. Her aged mother lives with her other daughter who has bought into the scam 100%. Our friend is now banned from seeing her mother until she can prove she's negative for the virus. In fact, nobody is allowed into the mother's home unless they can prove they are covid-free. Our friend will celebrate her birthday here with us instead of with her family. We'll make it nice for her but it isn't the same. She may never be allowed to see her mother again and, as her mother is 84, who knows how long she has left.

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9 minutes ago, allymisfit said:

The mental health factors lowering your immune system and manifesting symptoms.

 

Absolutely. The collective psyche has taken a severe beating over the past year. Some will not recover. Those who live in hope that we will one day get back to 'normal' will fare the worst when the realization dawns that we never will.

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51 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

Local Report on the great re-opening in SW UK

 

Well i went to my local City here in the southwest and no sign of the great re-opening at all. All shops closed other than are normally open. We are a country of wet and weak minded people,No hope. 

Unless we can mount a large push back,but it seems thats not happening either. As Ziggy would say WERE FUCKED.

 

That's sad to hear. Unfortunately I think that the pushback is not going to start in Britain and it's definitely not going to start where I am on the rainy little island to the left of you. The likes of the Italians, the Greeks, the eastern Europeans all have more fire, more passion. It has always been thus, we're just not that way inclined.

 

I do think though that pushback is like a virus of a different kind, once it has spread over most of the continent it will happen here. It just isn't going to start here, unfortunately. We have the phrase "Paddy last" for a reason and I suspect the UK isn't much different these days.

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1 hour ago, Frankieboy said:

Its also good when you have aStong mind over matter!

I see my immune system like George Catlin:

 

 

It may have just been lucky but I haven't been ill going on two years now, apart from a bit of mild aching/fatigue this time last year but that was nothing to keep me in bed. I think part of that is trying to keep a decent diet/exercise, but I also never put any thought into getting sick, I just don't expect it, it holds no place in my mind.

 

I think of all the people I've worked with who constantly thought they were coming down with something, just waiting for the next flu around the corner, and then lo and behold I was asked to cover for them because they were at home puking their guts up, and it shows me that mentality definitely does have a strong effect.

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1 hour ago, facere arbitrium said:


I'm with Ergo, hear too many accounts of of people contracting it for it not to be a possibility. Also keep getting more first hand accounts from relatives and friends too.

The way they describe their respiratory symptoms doesn't sound like a typical flu virus. One passed away, some end up in hospital and some don't. That's why I considered researching alternative therapies from the start although I had doubts. But when I hear about some of the more serious experiences I'm being told they're gasping for air and falling unconscious at home.

Not all of them experience terrible symptoms, usually those with underlying health issues and some of them felt worse being vaccinated after they'd already contracted the virus. Others have had a vaccine and don't appear to have suffered any immediate side-effects.

Fair enough but consider the effects of isolation and being in constant fear of an invisible invader.  One if not the highest risk category being diabetics. High stress levels raise the blood sugar even more making it thick which then leads in combination with isolation to things like DVT and Pulmonary embolism, atherosclerosis leading to heart attacks and strokes.  It effects every part of the body making the blood more acidic. This Is a much more holistic way of looking at it. Holistic medicine takes into account the whole being. (The biopsychosocial model) and was an improvement from the old model which was just biological. (There’s lots of info about this on the web). The old bio model where doctor knew best had long gone but has now made a comeback.  You can’t treat people without looking at their whole being. If you just look at them in terms of you have this so take this pill and not take into account how their psycosocial situation impacts on them it isn’t treating.  You could call isolation itself a disease as it has all the hallmarks and symptoms of a virus so when doctors see it and have confirmation either from a dodgy pcr test or suspected symptoms and without an autopsy being available to confirm and the added extra funds they get per covid patient. The evidence is going in the direction of isolation kills and mimics a virus.  By attacking psychosocial you are causing disease. 

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Does anyone know of any health protocols you can use to mitigate the effects of the vaccine. I realise this may be futile in the long term but i'd like to give some advice to my parents. They're booked in next week.

My mum does not want it but has fallen for the emotional blackmail, my dads a lost cause unfortunately.

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51 minutes ago, Ergo Storm said:

 

I honestly don't see your point, sorry.  Infection coverage will never be 100% within the community.  Just because you have underlying health issues and haven't suffered symptoms, that doesn't mean there isn't a virus or illness that can be contracted.  

 

I appreciate that there is a debate over whether a virus has been isolated.  I am not a medical doctor or virologist, etc.  My approach to this is that I don't need to argue that there is no virus, I can just adopt a working assumption that there is and I only need to point out that the official response to the virus is completely disproportionate.  That's enough.  It's a strong position in its own right.  It also has the advantage that it comes across as realistic. 

 

My training is in the law and I am used to constructing arguments and attacking other people's.  My approach is that you attack at the line of least resistance.  If you go round saying there is no virus, nobody will listen to you.  If, on the other hand, you say there is a virus and an illness but the reaction to it is out of proportion, it comes across as more of a reasonable and grounded position.

 

I don't really want to start an argument.  I am entitled to my view, you are entitled to yours.  Our conclusions converge on the same point, it's just that we start from different positions.


Some reasonable pointers there, appreciate the info.

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40 minutes ago, allymisfit said:

I guess if there has been an increase of seasonal colds/flu people getting ill..

 

It could be caused by..

 

The overuse of hand gel and hand washing lowering your immune system over time.

People become obsessive with cleaning and using heaps of chemicals...lowering their immune system even more.

 

The mental health factors lowering your immune system and manifesting symptoms.

 

I also think people are talking about it more if they have such a bug, making it look like there is something bad going on for their own gain. Gains them a hero status lol.

 

So I think that could be why we are hearing/seeing more than before.

 

There's a colleague at work that is a self confessed germaphobe. He carries hand sanatizers, wears plastic gloves, covers those gloves in lashings of 70% alcohol solution. He's been doing this for at least three years after getting a bad virus that put him on his arse for six weeks. 

 

When Covid became a thing, he doubled up on the gloves and wears a mask absolutely everywhere. He also packs antibacterial wipes for any touch point (car door handles etc).

 

He is ALWAYS bloody sick. But then his diet is abysmal. He cleans only the outside of the cup, neglecting the inside. There is absolutely no getting through to him.

 

We all left work for three weeks recently because somebody tested positive for Rona. I had to have a home test and tested positive. As far as I'm concerned it was a chest infection/cough and I felt well enough to work but was told I couldn't come back until the NHS said I could.

 

Plenty of water, vegetables, zinc, vitamin C and D - as with any virus - codeine for muscle aches and headache. Alternate days I took 3g of Kratom, which was brilliant at relaxing the body.

 

When returning to work, I found out that he didn't test positive and he found out that I did - that in itself justifies his lifestyle choices over mine. The told you so smile said it all.

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6 minutes ago, Liberty said:

Fair enough but consider the effects of isolation and being in constant fear of an invisible invader.  One if not the highest risk category being diabetics. High stress levels raise the blood sugar even more making it thick which then leads in combination with isolation to things like DVT and Pulmonary embolism, atherosclerosis leading to heart attacks and strokes.  It effects every part of the body making the blood more acidic. This Is a much more holistic way of looking at it. Holistic medicine takes into account the whole being. (The biopsychosocial model) and was an improvement from the old model which was just biological. (There’s lots of info about this on the web). The old bio model where doctor knew best had long gone but has now made a comeback.  You can’t treat people without looking at their whole being. If you just look at them in terms of you have this so take this pill and not take into account how their psycosocial situation impacts on them it isn’t treating.  You could call isolation itself a disease as it has all the hallmarks and symptoms of a virus so when doctors see it and have confirmation either from a dodgy pcr test or suspected symptoms and without an autopsy being available to confirm and the added extra funds they get per covid patient. The evidence is going in the direction of isolation kills and mimics a virus.  By attacking psychosocial you are causing disease. 


Absolutely, all valid points and appreciate the insight. Good stuff!

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45 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

 

Absolutely. The collective psyche has taken a severe beating over the past year. Some will not recover. Those who live in hope that we will one day get back to 'normal' will fare the worst when the realization dawns that we never will.

Reminds me of the old saying hard times create strong men,strong men create good times good times create weak men who in turn create hard times.

 

we all know where we’re at now people are going to reach there breaking points soon will be different for each of us but it’s nice people start to snap which seems to be what they want they’ll roll out Marshall law to “protect us from the domestic terrorist’s”

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