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13 minutes ago, zarkov said:

 

I would ask  if they believe you/we everyone has a "right to life". If they say yes then thats OK and walk away, end of point.

If they insist that you must be vaccinated by compulsion then their thinking process is erroneous.

If you have no choice then you have no right to life.

Rights are inalienable. Rights are permanent. If they can be removed even temporarily then they are not rights.

 

You're right about that but the believers appear to be disturbingly devoid of the ability to reason. In my experience so far there has been a dumbing down of the issues for believers surrounding the vax to the point where 'good' and 'bad' are the descriptors of those for and against.

 

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20 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

I don't recall them mentioning anything about Long Covid yet. As Dr Vernon Coleman has said, it is not unusual for people to continue to experience longer term symptoms after a bout of flu or similar respiratory illness - one of the names for it is post-viral fatigue syndrome.

 

Yes, but even if they rebrand the lingering effects of a severe bout of flu or pneumonia as Long Covid, then they probably still won't get close to the numbers of those suffering from vaccine damage. They will have to resort to saying 'you had asymptomatic Covid in the past and are now suffering from symptomatic Long Covid'. Crazy, but I think it will come to be. 

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I had a horrible thought and decided to share it with you. They are compelling us to stay at home, except for specific reasons and only to exercise, for a limited period, close to home. The only the way this could be enforced is by making us wear ankle 'tags' or some equivalent, like offenders do, which activate and sound the alarm when you leave the boundary of your house, your front door. Just sayin'

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3 minutes ago, Velma said:

I had a horrible thought and decided to share it with you. They are compelling us to stay at home, except for specific reasons and only to exercise, for a limited period, close to home. The only the way this could be enforced is by making us wear ankle 'tags' or some equivalent, like offenders do, which activate and sound the alarm when you leave the boundary of your house, your front door. Just sayin'

 

Have a look at this Velma, at 2:03 minutes in

 

(920) Wow. Even I'm Blown Away by This One - and that don't Happen Often! - YouTube

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Just back from putting up some posters. Just wondering if I could get more grief for sticking them up on bus stops, walls of train stations etc, any place that might be considered private property? Additionally  telegraph poles, lamp posts public fences etc would also be considered belonging to electricity companies, local council etc . Maybe Im over thinking this but Im looking ahead to see where I might encounter some problems.

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6 minutes ago, AnarchicBreeze said:

You're right about that but the believers appear to be disturbingly devoid of the ability to reason. In my experience so far there has been a dumbing down of the issues for believers surrounding the vax to the point where 'good' and 'bad' are the descriptors of those for and against.

 

 

That's it exactly, many have been dumbed down to the extent that they can no longer think or are too lazy to think or thinking conflicts with their programming.

It starts at home, continues into education and is constantly reinforced by media. 

 

It is exactly why I repeat the same simple truth over and over, repetition being the same method that the state system uses to indoctrinate, to attempt to undo the indoctrination. (in vain it seems)

At the very least it is the truth.

 

Beyond that it is a case of not casting you pearls before swine as the meme goes, nor sewing seed onto infertile ground.

I encounter the same and simply have to walk away quite often and realise its better to talk to receptive folk.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Velma said:

I had a horrible thought and decided to share it with you. They are compelling us to stay at home, except for specific reasons and only to exercise, for a limited period, close to home. The only the way this could be enforced is by making us wear ankle 'tags' or some equivalent, like offenders do, which activate and sound the alarm when you leave the boundary of your house, your front door. Just sayin'

Move onto a canal boat or into a campervan and subvert their totalitarian restrictions

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10 minutes ago, zarkov said:

 

That's it exactly, many have been dumbed down to the extent that they can no longer think or are too lazy to think or thinking conflicts with their programming.

It starts at home, continues into education and is constantly reinforced by media. 

 

It is exactly why I repeat the same simple truth over and over, repetition being the same method that the state system uses to indoctrinate, to attempt to undo the indoctrination. (in vain it seems)

At the very least it is the truth.

 

Beyond that it is a case of not casting you pearls before swine as the meme goes, nor sewing seed onto infertile ground.

I encounter the same and simply have to walk away quite often and realise its better to talk to receptive folk.

 

 

Maybe you're right but when I see people that previously were reflective thinkers turned into aggressively unthinking zombies reciting the official narrative there is perhaps a moral obligation to at least try and give them an alternative perspective

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11 minutes ago, AnarchicBreeze said:

Maybe you're right but when I see people that previously were reflective thinkers turned into aggressively unthinking zombies reciting the official narrative there is perhaps a moral obligation to at least try and give them an alternative perspective

 

Thats a fair comment and I agree, there is moral obligation, because we all ultimately depend on that comprehension of moral rights being recognised by all. Collectively we are shaping our future. Silence will imprison us.

Specifically though, there are those who we come up against who are not receptive and it is futile to attempt to appeal to their common sense as is is long buried under statist dogma. Its those who I refer to as unfertile.

 

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13 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

https://on.rt.com/azeq

 

Hsbc threatening to close customers accounts who don’t follow covid rules in their banks. I shit you not! Plus you forfeit your money.

 

This is all part of their agenda for a cashless society.

Best take out all yer money now why you still can before they pull the plug on us anti-vax'ers.

 

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2 hours ago, SimonTV said:

We can't exactly quarantine healthy people on the basis of a positive test indefinitely. It is just ridiculous. 

 

At the moment its cold outside and people don't want to go out so much anyway and they are getting furlough and grant money but come the summer people are going to want to move around again and i think a lot of people will balk at the idea of spending another summer in lockdown

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Am just saying hi. I've been a huge fan of Icke for thirty years, read most of his books and seen him live three times. I used to be a semi regular contributor to the old forum, but only now created a new account. I do read the forums regularly, particularly since this bullshit pandemic started.

Thanks for all the interesting reads on this thread in particular. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute a few things of interest.

I'm a staunch Icke believer....so if he says the pandemic is a scam, I believe him, although it's pretty obvious it's a scam without reading Icke, just by looking at the lame death tallies alone.

I'm also into Paul Levy's theory about the Wetiko mind virus, so I'm Inclined to view the pandemic from the perspective of it being a collective psychotic projection...perhaps a reaction against the rise of Populism.

Whatever the pandemics origin, it certainly is leading to a paradigm shift....life will never be the same again, and it baffles me that so many people are oblivious or disinterested in challenging the official narrative.

Peace out. X

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Good evening / Good Morning my fellow doubters.

 

Yes I have been tested thankfully I am negative, although that  doesn't really matter does it!

 

We are being driven under a constant a unforgiving system of bullshit, by that I mean at what point in time has the media had such a grip unto society to deliver their prowess and uphold there rhetoric.   

 

We are not animals, human beings cannot be kept in a zoo.  It is the wholly inadequate NHS that has landed us in this mess. There is a long line of questioning that needs to be taken place, I have an extensive family. Yes one was taken because of Covid! Although it is not the Covid you think, he was declared dead of Covid. But that was not the case. Fortunately we have a physician in the family is is wholly versed in pneumonia. His diagnosis was completely different. He died of old age and enjoying each and every breath. One of his last days on Zoom (which he thought was some telegram service) Michael.Sue.can you hear me.(quiet sad actually, but quiet hilarious) he certainly was not short of breath. 

 

Thank you for giving me this platform to express my alternative viewpoint! Normally I would just keep these things to myself although I have found power within this forum. (keep fighting)

 

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